Sisu - is it just possible they are doing it right ? (1 Viewer)

[Voice_of_Reason]

Not a big fan of SISU by a long stretch of imagination, but is it just possible they may be right in getting us ready for the 2012.13 season when all clubs have to live within their means ? If planning to survive this season is SISU's aim, we will, as SISU state be ready for next season and be far ahead of the other clubs.

No way will some clubs be able to afford their massive wage bills if their income doesn't cover it, or splash out huge transfer fees on players.

Just playing "devil's advocate" here, not promoting SISU as the "real deal".

Maybe just think about it from a business having to live within it's means.

 

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[Sutty]

I think the reason fans are annoyed is more that they preach openness and then are anything but. In July, Brody was asked on twitter what the board expected of AT this season. His response? We should be pushing for a play-off place.

It's a completely deluded aim if they aren't going to invest in the squad.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Get out :laugh:


Just kidding but this strategy of not spending and hoping to stay up is nearly as big of a gamble as Leicesters go for broke strategy. If we can stay up this season we may be in a good position going into next year as we may pick up some good free transfers as clubs look to cut the wage bill. But if we go down it will be a disaster.

 

[coundonskyblue]

Out of interest what will actually happen to clubs that don't live within their means? I've not seen this published anywhere.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

I really don't believe "getting us ready for next season" is what SISU are doing. "Running us as cheaply as possible" is what they are doing, as they don't want to invest/spend/lose any of their cash.

The regulations haven't been decided, and neither have the penalties. There's a reason the other 23 clubs are not preparing for something that, at this stage, is entirely theoretical. Just more SISU lies and distraction. Lets face it; they have lied to us constantly, why would that change now?

 

[oldskyblue58]

rules for championship not agreed yet

One thing that puzzles me is that clubs are taking on players on say 3 year contracts now that kind of fixes the core salaries for a couple of seasons how will that work in respect of living within means calculations. Will clubs be given time to bring things in line or forced to reduce squad size simply to meet the criteria and what happens if those players under contract dont want to go. "Clever" or perhaps more risky clubs could spend big this season and lock in an advantage for 2 or 3 seasons

In terms of getting the finances right I cant say that doing that is wrong and therefore not everything SISU are doing is"wrong" but I think they failed to take into account the boost that a couple of signings could bring to fans and finances. Add to the gate and receive more income and cover the wages of a couple of new players - simples!

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

The "fair play" rules is a smokescreen which Sisu must have loved when it became apparent. By the way have the rulings been bought in yet?

 

[brinner]

Not a big fan of SISU by a long stretch of imagination, but is it just possible they may be right in getting us ready for the 2012.13 season when all clubs have to live within their means ? If planning to survive this season is SISU's aim, we will, as SISU state be ready for next season and be far ahead of the other clubs.

No way will some clubs be able to afford their massive wage bills if their income doesn't cover it, or splash out huge transfer fees on players.

Just playing "devil's advocate" here, not promoting SISU as the "real deal".

Maybe just think about it from a business having to live within it's means.

no.

we need them out of the club asap.

the new rules are based on revenue and we dont get a lot and never will until we own the stadium.

council have told them they will never sell it to them so we need new owners that the council feel diffrent about.

hoffmans lot have apparantly got the funds to buy the half off acl so hopefully something may happen at this meeting on the 24th.

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

I can see next years excuse already, ah well we thought the rulings were going ot be bought and have adjusted our budgets to reflect this.....

 

[ccfc1973]

The "fair play" rules is a smokescreen which Sisu must have loved when it became apparent. By the way have the rulings been bought in yet?

Totally agree they are hiding behind it, the rules havent been agreed for the championship yet , perhaps they are getting us ready for league 1

 

[oldskyblue58]

Actually brinner the council said they wouldnt sell the stadium to CCFC unless the owners could prove there was a viable business plan that satisfied the councils criteria. That will be the same for SISU, GH or any other owner

 

[Walking Bird]

Out of interest what will actually happen to clubs that don't live within their means? I've not seen this published anywhere.

I know it will make you ineligable to compete in European competitions. Which obviously affects us in a BIG way. :facepalm:

 

[Lord_Nampil]

I still have a feeling clubs will get around it...

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Totally agree they are hiding behind it, the rules havent been agreed for the championship yet , perhaps they are getting us ready for league 1

Honestly, that seemed obvious to me the moment they started using it as an excuse. Really makes you ponder the "we will replace King/match last seasons budget" statements, doesn't it?!

 

[BobbyDazzler]

This story that SISU are spinning regarding keeping the salaries within a certain limit is a joke. All other clubs will ensure that they get round this by paying their players a salary which keeps them within their acceptable budget and then pay additional 'image rights' or similar to get round it. One thing is certain, the clubs will find a way round it and we will be only club sticking to the rules. Why, because it suits SISU's policy of spending as little as possible whilst trying to recoup their losses.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

I honestly think that the transfer funds/wages are going towards securing the ricoh.

If sisu pull it off then they will be here for much longer as an income stream is secure.

If they can't secure the Ricoh by the end of the season in time for the new financial fair rules then they will sell out.

A game of chess right now.

 

[TommyAtkins]

One of the many problems is that fans only see things in absolutes: SISU can only be good or bad. Amusingly, most of the fans that consider SISU "bad" are the same fans who considered SISU "good" only a couple of seasons ago.

The same fans who ignored all the warnings that SISU weren't going to be benevolent and generous owners. The fans that whinge now only have themselves to blame.

SISU may well be doing the right thing in trying to create a viable, sustainable business at the club. The problem has always been a lack of clarity about intent - their intention has always been opaque.

Quite rightly, we should be very wary. Having said that, the hysteria about "protests" is a little embarrassing....

 

[ashbyjan]

I agree Tommy that maybe SISU are trying to create a sustainable business but I just cannot see how thats possible in this division without new players. I suspect that they have taken the simple view that the numbers who will turn up come what may will be about 7 - 10 k and they will turn up in Div 1 and so lets cut our cloth to that ambition. Have a squad ready for Div One as thats a sustainable model with cheaper players and lower income and its a model that requires no investment.

 

[TommyAtkins]

I agree Tommy that maybe SISU are trying to create a sustainable business but I just cannot see how thats possible in this division without new players. I suspect that they have taken the simple view that the numbers who will turn up come what may will be about 7 - 10 k and they will turn up in Div 1 and so lets cut our cloth to that ambition. Have a squad ready for Div One as thats a sustainable model with cheaper players and lower income and its a model that requires no investment.

As ever, you make perfect sense.

I have warned repeatedly since the takeover, well before the hysterical anti-SISU crowd turned up, that SISU would place business interests first, ahead of success on the pitch, even at the risk of relegation. Therefore, I am not surprised by recent events.

I do believe it is right that out club should be able to stand on its own two feet (both left feet judging from recent years). But the SISU strategy is still not clear and carries considerable risk. For example, we stand to lose even more money from the Championship funds, if we are relegated.

We need new owners and quickly. But that doesn't automatically mean that SISU are doing the wrong thing

 

[tisza]

Maybe a lot of clubs are going for it this season because of the major disparity parachute payments will make when the rules change.

 

[les_miserables]

Not a big fan of SISU by a long stretch of imagination, but is it just possible they may be right in getting us ready for the 2012.13 season when all clubs have to live within their means ? If planning to survive this season is SISU's aim, we will, as SISU state be ready for next season and be far ahead of the other clubs.

No way will some clubs be able to afford their massive wage bills if their income doesn't cover it, or splash out huge transfer fees on players.

Just playing "devil's advocate" here, not promoting SISU as the "real deal".

Maybe just think about it from a business having to live within it's means.

Come back in frigging April and ask the same question, what are you deaf, dumb and blind ?

 

[Jack Griffin]

Nobody has a clue what SISU are really doing, not even themselves I suspect.

 

[ajsccfc]

Come back in frigging April and ask the same question, what are you deaf, dumb and blind ?

This is your response when someone actually puts thought into a point? Unsurprising.