SISU Open Letter Reply to Council (8 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Honestly, the way we've been fucked from all sides for 25 years I'm surprised we're still here.

I think that’s right

 

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[hill83]

Its all about the money in the end

Correct

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I don't want a shitty hedge fund in charge of my football club.

I don't want a franchise rugby club as owners of the football ground built for my football club.

That's where 99.9% of us are at

Yep I agree

 

[jordan210]

Could someone who has all the dates and so on, create a time line of events including when council started to talk to wasps and when we moved to Northampton.

I’m seeing a lot of people on social media still trying to blame the rent strike as the catalyst for it all.

 

[Nick]

Could someone who has all the dates and so on, create a time line of events including when council started to talk to wasps and when we moved to Northampton.

I’m seeing a lot of people on social media still trying to blame the rent strike as the catalyst for it all.

The rent strike was after those emails discussing wasps I think?

 

[jordan210]

The rent strike was after those emails discussing wasps I think?

That’s how I read it. Yet there are people still trying to blame the rent strike for the sale of the Ricoh. When clearly it was done and dusted before. A full time line of event including emails and so on would be helpful. Maybe one of the journalists who reads this site can make one

 

[MalcSB]

Was there ever actually an effective rent strike? There was half a million pounds in the escrow account, 5 - 6 months rent. If you were a tenant with some cash flow problems but had 6 months rent in, say, an ISA - wouldn’t you find a way to us those savings?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Could someone who has all the dates and so on, create a time line of events including when council started to talk to wasps and when we moved to Northampton.

I’m seeing a lot of people on social media still trying to blame the rent strike as the catalyst for it all.

They ignore facts on Twitter. Put simply:

Pre March 2012: ACL plan to buy Wasps and detailed discussions had, suspect in 2011 if not before
12th March 2012: Daniel Gidney sent his email about terms he'd discussed with Wasps owners at that time
April 2012: CCFC stop paying rent
August 2012: CCFC and Higgs agree HoT on 50% share of ACL and buying out Yorkshire Bank loan
2012/13: SISU threaten to move club out of Coventry
January 2013: CCC buy out ACL's Yorkshire Bank loan
August 2013: CCFC start the season in Northampton
August 2014: CCFC agree deal to return
5th September 2014: CCFC return on max 4 year tenancy agreed with ACL
October 2014: Wasps agree to buy all shares in ACL, somehow agreeing the terms of the deal in a matter of weeks

 

[Nick]

They ignore facts on Twitter. Put simply:

Pre March 2012: ACL plan to buy Wasps and detailed discussions had, suspect in 2011 if not before
12th March 2012: Daniel Gidney sent his email about terms he'd discussed with Wasps owners at that time
April 2012: CCFC stop paying rent
August 2012: CCFC and Higgs agree HoT on 50% share of ACL and buying out Yorkshire Bank loan
2012/13: SISU threaten to move club out of Coventry
January 2013: CCC buy out ACL's Yorkshire Bank loan
August 2013: CCFC start the season in Northampton
August 2014: CCFC agree deal to return
5th September 2014: CCFC return on max 4 year tenancy agreed with ACL
October 2014: Wasps agree to buy all shares in ACL, somehow agreeing the terms of the deal in a matter of weeks

I've found the way people get timings mixed up to suit a bit strange. The same as saying "Jon Sharpe would never have worked with SISU" to say about the Butts stuff, which he said after the council had stepped in to try and block / put off his groundshare proposal and weren't too happy with him...

We may as well start congratulating Chris Coleman on his promotion from League 2 while we were at Sixfields.

 

[jordan210]

They ignore facts on Twitter. Put simply:

Pre March 2012: ACL plan to buy Wasps and detailed discussions had, suspect in 2011 if not before
12th March 2012: Daniel Gidney sent his email about terms he'd discussed with Wasps owners at that time
April 2012: CCFC stop paying rent
August 2012: CCFC and Higgs agree HoT on 50% share of ACL and buying out Yorkshire Bank loan
2012/13: SISU threaten to move club out of Coventry
January 2013: CCC buy out ACL's Yorkshire Bank loan
August 2013: CCFC start the season in Northampton
August 2014: CCFC agree deal to return
5th September 2014: CCFC return on max 4 year tenancy agreed with ACL
October 2014: Wasps agree to buy all shares in ACL, somehow agreeing the terms of the deal in a matter of weeks

Thanks

last night I saw people claiming that the email was fake and we should not believe anything Sisu do. Wish I could find that tweet now.

 

[Nick]

Thanks

last night I saw people claiming that the email was fake and we should not believe anything Sisu do. Wish I could find that tweet now.

Yeah, there will be strange accounts on social media saying how it is fake and it didn't happen at all. There's a few of them and has been for years, they are more obvious now though!

Much the same way as half of the things haven't been mentioned in the Telegraph at all.

I see that "lifelong city fan" Andy Google is piping up, he usually gets sent for a bit of PR. Accounts are fine and players aren't leaving being his previous attempts.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Thanks

last night I saw people claiming that the email was fake and we should not believe anything Sisu do. Wish I could find that tweet now.

Yeah I've seen similar, people read what they want to read and hear what they want to hear.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The Trust should be all over these emails as they've been misled. Instead they're supine, not willing to engage with facts as it shows their historic naivety.

I'm not saying SISU are without sin, they're certainly not, but they've never been as deliberately misleading as the council have through this story at various stages. You could argue that it is reasonable to expect a higher ethical threshold from a local authority.

 

[Nick]

The Trust should be all over these emails as they've been misled. Instead they're supine, not willing to engage with facts as it shows their naivety.

I'm not saying SISU are without sin, they're not, but they've never been as deliberately misleading as the council have through this story at various stages.

The silence again is deafening. If it was something about SISU then there would be news crews, interviews, random articles on football sites, David Conn and Henry Winter would be drafted in etc.

 

[Esoterica]

Yeah I've seen similar, people read what they want to read and hear what they want to hear.

It's a manifestation of denialism. People cherry pick the parts that suit their pre-existing belief and either outright ignore the factual evidence that counters that or where outright denial is impossible, use a technique called minimisation. Justifying the council's action as being a consequence of the rent strike is an example of minimisation. In layman's terms for people who believe SISU are to blame for everything, the council look a lot less cunty if they had to bring Wasps in due to the rent strike rather than it being the plan all along. That then enables people to continue merrily along with their version of the truth.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It's a manifestation of denialism. People cherry pick the parts that suit their pre-existing belief and either outright ignore the factual evidence that counters that or where outright denial is impossible, use a technique called minimisation. Justifying the council's action as being a consequence of the rent strike is an example of minimisation. In layman's terms for people who believe SISU are to blame for everything, the council look a lot less cunty if they had to bring Wasps in due to the rent strike rather than it being the plan all along. That then enables people to continue merrily along with their version of the truth.

I don't disagree. I'd still like to know *why* it was the plan however. We currently have the information all from one side, so rather partial. They also probably know that thanks to privacy regulations, CCC won't be able to release any emails to respond and set a context.

(Before I get a rant, I re-iterate I agree with you but, being an academic at heart, I like to see all the evidence before formulating an opinion. It's the same process that stopped me deciding SISU were all at fault come Northampton... so about time I had my allegiance reversed )

 

[djr8369]

I post balance because no one else actually puts a modicum of thought into things.

I wish I wasn’t the only person not frothing at the mouth at the mention of them, but here I am. Someone with a working brain and a vague knowledge of council responsibilities.

Come into a thread about the city centre if you want to see me slating the Council. I just don’t think local authorities are there to put football clubs, especially overly litigious football clubs who have a track record of fucking people over, ahead of social care and the actual legal responsibilities they have.

I’ve got to say, so far when we’ve got past the initial ranty stage, I’ve generally been right at every turn. I remember Nick, Grendel, you and FP telling me years ago how the Council were going to be “found out” and how there was “smoking guns” when we got to court. So far, so much bullshit.

It’s OK though, you can keep being right about football

Is anyone suggesting the club should be put above social care? Pretty sure people are just (rightly) angry that the council have conspired to undermine the club for no logical reason...


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[Nick]

Is anyone suggesting the club should be put above social care? Pretty sure people are just (rightly) angry that the council have conspired to undermine the club for no logical reason...


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It's also how the "social care" line gets thrown about when it comes to the football club. Doesn't matter if the council are pissing away hundreds of thousands on failed concerts or hush money pay offs.

Not to mention things like this - Money paid to housing support firm / EXCLUSIVE: Coventry council pays damages to charitable housing firm after ‘witch-hunt’

He added: “The council managers were ready and willing to throw unlimited resources to pursue non-valid safeguarding issues whilst social workers were under severe pressure with case load.

“On January 5, 2011, the day Daniel had his arm broken by his parent, 12 council officials were holding their thirteenth safeguarding meeting into Open Doors, mostly held in secret, to review and plan the next phase of their campaign against us, an organisation they had previously given a glowing inspection report to, and who a neighbouring authority had described as ‘exemplary’.

People probably haven't seen that, it isn't on the Telegraph for some reason?

 

[Esoterica]

I don't disagree. I'd still like to know *why* it was the plan however. We currently have the information all from one side, so rather partial. They also probably know that thanks to privacy regulations, CCC won't be able to release any emails to respond and set a context.

(Before I get a rant, I re-iterate I agree with you but, being an academic at heart, I like to see all the evidence before formulating an opinion. It's the same process that stopped me deciding SISU were all at fault come Northampton... so about time I had my allegiance reversed )

You're a skeptic not a denier. Big difference! There's an awesome quote from the legendary Neil deGrasse Tyson:

 

[covcity4life]

Been many times pal. Didn't know it wasn't allowed.

As I said, troll me as much as you like, doesn't change the fact that it's due to SISU and SISU alone that a deal hasn't been signed with Wasps. The only people stopping CCFC playing at the Ricoh next season are the owners.

missing the point. we dont want a future where we rent from wasps ideally do we?

 

[djr8369]

Exactly why no post since 2013; 1) an administrator who uses his priviliges to troll anyone who dares gave a go at SISU 2) the same old dozen blinkered users who troll anybody who dares to disagree with the mantra that CCC and Wasps are the devil incarnate 3) Sky Blues Talk forum is NOT representative of the fans that go to the Ricoh, nevermind the 10,000 who will not go to the Ricoh whilst SISU are in charge (nevermind the other 180,00 ratepayers who refuse to cowtow to a hedge fund 5) why does the forum never call out SISU? - for example, name the plot of land you have supposedly asked the council to approve, why don't you drop the legals, why are you blatantly LYING about not going on a rent strike when it has been proven in the Supreme Court that you did? Etc Etc Etc. There's only Tony and Schmee on here who dare stand up to you bully boys - so instead of childish name calling - "Theres evidence you fucking pencil dicked simpleton" (Yeah, SURE), take a long hard luck at yourselves and maybe see you are being played by SISU.

This forum has, in the majority, blamed everything on SISU until yesterday.


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[MalcSB]

Thanks

last night I saw people claiming that the email was fake and we should not believe anything Sisu do. Wish I could find that tweet now.

Lawyers simply cannot fabricate evidence.

 

[Nick]

Lawyers simply cannot fabricate evidence.

That's just Wasps Accounts Team.

 

[Paul Anthony]

I take it there hasn't been a response from the Trust regarding any of this, then? If they want to claim to represent so many fans they should be all over this by now.

 

[Nick]

I take it there hasn't been a response from the Trust regarding any of this, then? If they want to claim to represent so many fans they should be all over this by now.

No, radio silence.

Then they wonder why people find it strange that the council leader is thanking them for protesting in London against SISU and a bloke from Wasps is being applauded.

There will be something like "we all have jobs and families" as the reason for the silence, the same as there is every other time which is an attempt to generate the "we appreciate what you do" comments that they can like / retweet.

End of the day, both them and the telegraph have failed to even mention particular things and I wouldn't be surprised if they get round to it at a similar time.

If they do, it will be something like "we need to stop the blame game" which means "stop saying things about the council until we just shout SISU again and then we can blame them for everything".





This is pretty much what has been said from the visible board members.

The other one, Fisherbaiter has said it is all lies pretty much.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

I don't disagree. I'd still like to know *why* it was the plan however. We currently have the information all from one side, so rather partial. They also probably know that thanks to privacy regulations, CCC won't be able to release any emails to respond and set a context.

(Before I get a rant, I re-iterate I agree with you but, being an academic at heart, I like to see all the evidence before formulating an opinion. It's the same process that stopped me deciding SISU were all at fault come Northampton... so about time I had my allegiance reversed )

The reason the council were looking to get wasps in initially would have been on the back of the large amount of money they were making from the football club in Rent, overcharged utilities etc. They'd have thought that they could double the income by getting a premiership rugger team playing on the weeks we were away. Then it all changed and peoples ego's got in the way and it became personal.

 

[fernandopartridge]

No, radio silence.

Then they wonder why people find it strange that the council leader is thanking them for protesting in London against SISU and a bloke from Wasps is being applauded.

There will be something like "we all have jobs and families" as the reason for the silence, the same as there is every other time which is an attempt to generate the "we appreciate what you do" comments that they can like / retweet.

End of the day, both them and the telegraph have failed to even mention particular things and I wouldn't be surprised if they get round to it at a similar time.

If they do, it will be something like "we need to stop the blame game" which means "stop saying things about the council until we just shout SISU again and then we can blame them for everything".





This is pretty much what has been said from the visible board members.

The other one, Fisherbaiter has said it is all lies pretty much.

I wouldn't want any of them anywhere near running a football club. I wouldn't trust them to run a blackout card.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The reason the council were looking to get wasps in initially would have been on the back of the large amount of money they were making from the football club in Rent, overcharged utilities etc. They'd have thought that they could double the income by getting a premiership rugger team playing on the weeks we were away. Then it all changed and peoples ego's got in the way and it became personal.

It sounds like it was a Daniel Gidney desire to fully utilise the arena (fair enough) but always with CCFC as subservient junior partner. How the council went along with this shit is beyond me.

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

No, radio silence.

Then they wonder why people find it strange that the council leader is thanking them for protesting in London against SISU and a bloke from Wasps is being applauded.

There will be something like "we all have jobs and families" as the reason for the silence, the same as there is every other time which is an attempt to generate the "we appreciate what you do" comments that they can like / retweet.

End of the day, both them and the telegraph have failed to even mention particular things and I wouldn't be surprised if they get round to it at a similar time.

If they do, it will be something like "we need to stop the blame game" which means "stop saying things about the council until we just shout SISU again and then we can blame them for everything".





This is pretty much what has been said from the visible board members.

The other one, Fisherbaiter has said it is all lies pretty much.

It is absolutely embarrasing. We organise all these anti-SISU protests, but the moment we've been shown something that strongly implicates the council it's 'I don't care about all that stuff I just want a team to support.' So, you care enough to spend days off protesting against the owners, but you won't read a couple of pages long statement?

 

[Nick]

It's good to see the way the Telegraph spin stuff works on people still

Wasps were quick releasing a statement countering SISU's statement about being kept out of a Boardroom. Turns out the Ricoh take long term bookings well in advance of both football and rugby fixtures are released and if there is a corporate booking it takes precedence. Surprise surprise even Wasps get locked out. Grasping straws doesn't come into it. Splash the mud around hoping some sticks. We need rid of this festering blob. Well done Wass for countering quickly.

It's borderline delusional.

 

[covmark]

No, radio silence.

Then they wonder why people find it strange that the council leader is thanking them for protesting in London against SISU and a bloke from Wasps is being applauded.

There will be something like "we all have jobs and families" as the reason for the silence, the same as there is every other time which is an attempt to generate the "we appreciate what you do" comments that they can like / retweet.

End of the day, both them and the telegraph have failed to even mention particular things and I wouldn't be surprised if they get round to it at a similar time.

If they do, it will be something like "we need to stop the blame game" which means "stop saying things about the council until we just shout SISU again and then we can blame them for everything".





This is pretty much what has been said from the visible board members.

The other one, Fisherbaiter has said it is all lies pretty much.

Embarrassing, but unsurprising.

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[eastwoodsdustman]

It's also how the "social care" line gets thrown about when it comes to the football club. Doesn't matter if the council are pissing away hundreds of thousands on failed concerts or hush money pay offs.

Not to mention things like this - Money paid to housing support firm / EXCLUSIVE: Coventry council pays damages to charitable housing firm after ‘witch-hunt’



People probably haven't seen that, it isn't on the Telegraph for some reason?

There was a piece in yesterdays telegraph about a review into council practices regarding how its run. It listed bullying and whistle blowing as two of the items that I can recall. maybe things are being looked into there by someone. It certainly seems that the current council have been running things like a group of playground bullies for way too long.

 

[Paul Anthony]

No, radio silence.

Then they wonder why people find it strange that the council leader is thanking them for protesting in London against SISU and a bloke from Wasps is being applauded.

There will be something like "we all have jobs and families" as the reason for the silence, the same as there is every other time which is an attempt to generate the "we appreciate what you do" comments that they can like / retweet.

End of the day, both them and the telegraph have failed to even mention particular things and I wouldn't be surprised if they get round to it at a similar time.

If they do, it will be something like "we need to stop the blame game" which means "stop saying things about the council until we just shout SISU again and then we can blame them for everything".





This is pretty much what has been said from the visible board members.

The other one, Fisherbaiter has said it is all lies pretty much.

It's as telling as their last statement they put out that they then had to go back and edit to try and save face. We all know if this was reversed there would be no hesitation in them clambering all over it.

 

[Nick]

It's as telling as their last statement they put out that they then had to go back and edit to try and save face. We all know if this was reversed there would be no hesitation in them clambrring all over it.

There would be an interview outside the Ricoh for the news within a couple of hours, guaranteed.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Sad thing is they've acted so appallingly that if the worst did happen and they were the ones to set up a phoenix there is no chance I'd support a club run by the hypocritical twats.