olderskyblue
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Technically, they didn't. SISU put the club into administration
SISU Open Letter Reply to Council (5 Viewers)
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Technically, they didn't. SISU put the club into administration
vow
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ACL wanted too though and SISU did it instead to try and control their own destiny?
Captain Dart
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Or anyones for that matter. Uncritical acceptance of any of the parties position is simply naive.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
I assume I am one that you are referring to. Been extremely busy and pressured at work so not great mystery or conspiracy. Still am so this will be quite short.
My take on the statement is
- I am annoyed to find out that Wasps were going to be parachuted in by CCC. I can see the financial expediency to make the stadium work but it is morally and politically wrong to choose an outsider over supporting CRFC. It is CRFC i feel sorry for in that respect, not SISU.
- strangely had it happened then we might actually be at a stage where SISU owned Wasps via owning the stadium
- the statement itself is just like the last one well written but just like the last one only SISU's view of history. You would of course expect it to be. It is their truth not the whole truth
- the emails themselves well yes damning but were SISU legally entitled to release them? I assume they were part of discovery in the court cases, court cases that SISU did not actually appear as plaintiff. Still they put a new light on things. But why not before? Not sure they reveal anything illegal but thats not the point it was actions that should not have happened in 2012 to the detriment of CRFC
- The Courts (not just one ) defined it as a rent strike. It was. The Escrow account was there to support ACL and CCFC if the club became unable to pay the rent not if the club chose not to. The deposit was a contractual obligation to be maintained at the agreed amount. Thats the legal mechanics of it.
- the heads of terms signed the same month it has been proven that SISU and the Charity went their separate ways as far as doing a deal went. As SISU could not acquire those shares the deal with CCC could not happen
- Why is what a judge concluded is important - because unlike us he/they will have seen all these documents and more. The full story
- ACL did not put CCFC ltd in to administration, and i have explained the process many times i am not going to explain it again. A process that started April 2011 when Otium was formed and kicked in to place when the ARVO charge registered 19/03/2012.
- The council has been a problem from the very start. Short sighted, egotistical, less than transparent. But that isnt the first time i have pointed ot CCC short comings
- Time for all sides to put up or shut up, personally i am sick to the back teeth of the doubling talk, lying, obstruction, underhand dealing on all sides. All as bad as each other
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I am pleased to see some clarity as to potential site revealed today, but will wait to see where that gets us
That's your lot from me.
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covcity4life
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Good post but must admit its first timw ive seen you go against council. So sisu leaked emails have worked
Fergusons_Beard
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OSB
A great post but I don’t understand one thing-you keep saying bad for CRFC but not SISU.
Isn’t the WASPS deal also extremely detrimental to CCFC? And as SISU ultimately own CCFC surely it’s bad for them too?
No getting around the selling of the ground, built by and for CCFC, is definitely detrimental to CCFC and by default SISU.
I would also suggest that out of the two organisations the WASPS deal has been tougher for CCFC than for CRFC.
Maybe time to side on CCFC begrudgingly on occasion?
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A great post but I don’t understand one thing-you keep saying bad for CRFC but not SISU.
Isn’t the WASPS deal also extremely detrimental to CCFC? And as SISU ultimately own CCFC surely it’s bad for them too?
No getting around the selling of the ground, built by and for CCFC, is definitely detrimental to CCFC and by default SISU.
I would also suggest that out of the two organisations the WASPS deal has been tougher for CCFC than for CRFC.
Maybe time to side on CCFC begrudgingly on occasion?
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Liquid Gold
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Still nothing form the council and sisu have doubled up by leaking a new site. They must be shitting it.
torchomatic
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With respect. I wasn't thinking of you.
usskyblue
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I bet I know whoTony you’re talking about m8
Liquid Gold
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I trust you're correct.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Fair enough torch
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
That's cos you keep mistaking me for someone else.
Have never been a fan of the council. Been pointing out for years how they set it up all wrong
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
I never side against ccfc .... the owners now that's a different matter.
The post was specific to 2012 plan to buy wasps. That's why I keep saying crfc. I also had a family connection to crfc so am a bit biased in that respect
It didn't have to be this way but the agenda here for the owners is not ccfc. As custodians they shoulder most blame but they are not alone in creating the mess.
Unlike most people here I have met and discussed matters with Fisher and Seppala. I am not in awe of them, I am not impressed by them and I do not trust them. I have a good handle on the financial realities. Not about to cut the owners any slack until they give me good reason to. So far they haven't.
torchomatic
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Fair enough torch
You are a forum big beast though obviously.
Fergusons_Beard
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cochese
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If this place becomes any more balanced I might start posting more often.
But then people might also think I'm a Council stooge. Which I'm not. Or am i!!! (I'm not)
In the same way that many fans became disenfranchised with our club over recent years, I had felt distanced from a lot of fans because I refused to solely blame SISU for this mess. It seemed that up until now that fans couldn't question anyone apart from SISU without being called "Pro SISU". The clubs still a mess but at least we are starting to get a clearer picture of what has been going on. All we need now is a solution.
But then people might also think I'm a Council stooge. Which I'm not. Or am i!!! (I'm not)
In the same way that many fans became disenfranchised with our club over recent years, I had felt distanced from a lot of fans because I refused to solely blame SISU for this mess. It seemed that up until now that fans couldn't question anyone apart from SISU without being called "Pro SISU". The clubs still a mess but at least we are starting to get a clearer picture of what has been going on. All we need now is a solution.
The Penguin
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You could have formed that opinion without having to meet them though :happy:
Skyblueweeman
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Do you mind me asking in what capacity you managed to meet Seppala and Fisher OSB?
Rob S
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I guess it means it’s safe for me to delurk and comment a bit more then too
It’s been interesting to hear that Cossy – the bloke who set up the Get Cov Back to the Ricoh campaign – has been receiving apologies from people who were slagging him off for wanting the council & others to take responsibility for our plight along with SISU a few years ago.
Also good to see that my old mate Les Reid has been vindicated in a few more people’s eyes. No matter what people think of him, he’s always been the person who has the most knowledge of how this whole sorry mess has been blundering on.
Unfortunately, it’s easier to get people to hate a single enemy rather than a range of protagonists with varying levels of responsibility. The council & ACL’s very expensive PR people know that and SISU used their legal model rather than a PR approach.
I wonder what the summer will bring?
Good post Rob - see you at Pompey (you can buy me a pint for the like!)I guess it means it’s safe for me to delurk and comment a bit more then too
It’s been interesting to hear that Cossy – the bloke who set up the Get Cov Back to the Ricoh campaign – has been receiving apologies from people who were slagging him off for wanting the council & others to take responsibility for our plight along with SISU a few years ago.
Also good to see that my old mate Les Reid has been vindicated in a few more people’s eyes. No matter what people think of him, he’s always been the person who has the most knowledge of how this whole sorry mess has been blundering on.
Unfortunately, it’s easier to get people to hate a single enemy rather than a range of protagonists with varying levels of responsibility. The council & ACL’s very expensive PR people know that and SISU used their legal model rather than a PR approach.
I wonder what the summer will bring?
olderskyblue
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I'm not sure that's true Rob. Some of the latest stuff that has come out relates back to 2012. I would have thought Les would have told us all about this years ago if he was "in the know" as he always claimed to be. There is still the question as to why SISU have only just released this now. Surely they would have gained more hearts and minds from the fans if this had been released a long time ago? It's confusing to me as it's not SISU "like" at all to delay something like this so long.
What's your take on it?
SISU not used PR? really?
However, yes, it will be interesting this summer, and worrying in equal measure. CCC are so entrenched, do you see anything changing from them?
Captain Dart
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I guess it means it’s safe for me to delurk and comment a bit more then too
It’s been interesting to hear that Cossy – the bloke who set up the Get Cov Back to the Ricoh campaign – has been receiving apologies from people who were slagging him off for wanting the council & others to take responsibility for our plight along with SISU a few years ago.
Also good to see that my old mate Les Reid has been vindicated in a few more people’s eyes. No matter what people think of him, he’s always been the person who has the most knowledge of how this whole sorry mess has been blundering on.
Unfortunately, it’s easier to get people to hate a single enemy rather than a range of protagonists with varying levels of responsibility. The council & ACL’s very expensive PR people know that and SISU used their legal model rather than a PR approach.
I wonder what the summer will bring?
Why did Reid sit on an email for years?
He still has a perchant for blocking anyone on twitter who is in any way critical of him, his replies are like a fan club.
fernandopartridge
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SISU decided to release the email not Reid, it's not down to him that it hasn't been made public. He may have had knowledge of it without being given the go ahead to release it.
olderskyblue
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Who would give him that "go ahead" ?
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
Why didn't SISU release it then? It changes peoples attitudes a great deal.
Also I have always been critical of Reid because of the way his writing paints such an extreme picture. It smacks of a fanatical attitude.
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fernandopartridge
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fernandopartridge
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SISU though we don't know when they got hold of the email do we? Massive assumptions are made that it was part of the evidence pack for JR1.
Captain Dart
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All shrouded in mystery.
lordsummerisle
Well-Known Member
If they have been using a PR firm then suing them is one court case they would win.
olderskyblue
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We don't know I guess. But you're saying SISU control what and when Les releases anything? So much for an investigative reporter eh?
Captain Dart
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Aslo Reid took CET to tribunal about pro CCC bias in their reports for which he presumably had evidence.We don't know I guess. But you're saying SISU control what and when Les releases anything? So much for an investigative reporter eh?
He quit the CET around the time of the Wasps sale so one quite reasonably assumes he had the information at that time.
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