Yes you are being too cynical. Lets see the council step up for a change. Are they prepared to go in to talks to establish what is meant by help and reasonable terms or will they just dismiss it out of hand because its SISU irrespective of the potential damage to the football club.Sigh
Define “help” and define “reasonable terms” and maybe we’re getting somewhere.
Are they wanting financial help buying land? Do they want CCC to give them/sell them land?
Still not sure what’s stopping them buying land and putting planning in. CCC can’t just deny planning because they don’t like someone. If the app conforms to policy it’s got to be granted.
Am I being too cynical in seeing this as yet another way to kick everything into the long grass so they’ve got time to distress Wasps?
How what? Can they make things difficult?
Is this where people act naive and thick? Ha
Yes you are being too cynical. Lets see the council step up for a change. Are they prepared to go in to talks to establish what is meant by help and reasonable terms or will they just dismiss it out of hand because its SISU irrespective of the potential damage to the football club.
It is naïve in the extreme to think the council can't make things difficult for any potential stadium project.
Was expecting the standard rubbish so quite surprised at this. Certainly explains why certain people have been going in to overdrive the last few days.
Well and truly puts the ball back in the council & Wasps court. For the first time, at least as far as I can remember, SISU have publically offered an olive branch. The council get onside with a new stadium and Wasps let them stay until its built.
Are there any Facebook groups that this isn’t true for? Jesus the Labour forum is an absolute sewer.
Are you really going to play that dumb on this? Just look at the Wasps planning application and the assistance the council gave to them prior to it being submitted.You’d likely put outline planning in first I’d imagine. Sadly all the property experts are out of the office right now or I’d get a better answer.
Cheaper than a new build though?
Is this where people avoid actually crystallising their vague accusations because they haven’t a fucking clue what they’re on about?
I’ve been clear for months: give me a concrete thing that CCC can do and I’ll be on the steps of the Council House demanding it with you.
Still 0 for Eleventy billion though.
I bet there are a few worried at the council, hence the desperation I've been pointing out for weeks while you go on about conspiracySo, you have no idea either?
I bet Joys pissing herself at how easy this is.
There is nothing concrete in the regs about a distance. These are the relevant regs. Presumably the EFL adjudged any plan submitted so far (if any) as being inappropriate. I heard within 8 miles of council house a few years ago and I remember a Fisher statement about a site slightly further than this which I can't locate at present, more recently a distance of 6 miles has been mentioned.I did notice a line about EFL regulations restricting where they could build the new ground. I wonder how far away they were considering.
Do we honestly believe for a single second that Sisu have any intention whatsoever of building a new stadium?
Why on earth would we believe that? After all these years of false promises and bullshit.
The only reason I could see that they can't is that the negotiations were with private sellers and the signed a NDA or something that could only be revealed to legal professionals.Name the sites. I could buy a fair proportion of this if there were any cold hard evidence to back up the rhetoric.
It does no harm to name the sites, why not name the sites? The transactions have been and gone, after all.
For me it doesn't matter if we believe it or not. We've wanted the legals dropped, here is the olive branch. If it turns out to be a load of BS what do we lose, we're hardly going to be worse off.Do we honestly believe for a single second that Sisu have any intention whatsoever of building a new stadium?
There's pr for youPeople simply refuse to believe the council have done any harm to the club. If Sisu managed a miracle and won the court case, people would still be saying its Sisus fault. They would then refuse to accept the courts decision, like they moan about Sisu doing.
Mentioned before all these people who are dead against appeals and the legal action continuing would suddenly change their mind if by some miracle it went SISUs way at some point.People simply refuse to believe the council have done any harm to the club. If Sisu managed a miracle and won the court case, people would still be saying its Sisus fault. They would then refuse to accept the courts decision, like they moan about Sisu doing.
It's all too convenient. There's empty rhetoric and peevish whining, but nothing to actually go on.The only reason I could see that they can't is that the negotiations were with private sellers and the signed a NDA or something that could only be revealed to legal professionals.
The only reason I could see that they can't is that the negotiations were with private sellers and the signed a NDA or something that could only be revealed to legal professionals.
That is not in the CCC area, it is Rugby.We know for a fact they inquired about Brandon.
That's where the frustration comes from. It gives the council the opportunity to back sisu in to a corner. Either they have to build a stadium - great, or they prove sisu have no intention of doing it and are bullshitting - great. Nothing to lose but they'll just say "we can't discuss this due to ongoing legal action" and nothing will change.For me it doesn't matter if we believe it or not. We've wanted the legals dropped, here is the olive branch. If it turns out to be a load of BS what do we lose, we're hardly going to be worse off.
Choosing to not believe it and therefore letting the council off means SISU can just sit back and whenever anyone criticises them say they tried but the council refused to help. Call there bluff, there is literally nothing to lose and everything to gain.
He didn't say it wasThat is not in the CCC area, it is Rugby.
This is why the trust and everybody else needs to be demanding things. It is going to show a few agendas up if they won't.That's where the frustration comes from. It gives the council the opportunity to back sisu in to a corner. Either they have to build a stadium - great, or they prove sisu have no intention of doing it and are bullshitting - great. Nothing to lose but they'll just say "we can't discuss this due to ongoing legal action" and nothing will change.
Aren't they trying to do that on their own already?I'm assuming/guessing that SISU will want the Council to support a development where SISU get every other 'partner' - let's say Asda/Hotel chain etc gets preferential rates, but have to cough up towards the stadium costs etc (wasn't that how they envisaged stadium x being funded originally?) A probably naïve/crude interpretation (apologies), but I suspect that they want to put pressure on the council to find a cheap new home for the club, feeding on the fans desperation for a positive outcome. I hope it works )hating SISU aside). although I am unsure as to how much energy the Council will want to exercise with such a notoriously difficult organisation. In addition, how amenable will Wasps be with potential loss of future income?
I have no problem with a potential new home for the club being built at the lowest possible cost. Obviously not the actually building itself in the unlikely event it ever happened, don't want the roof falling in during a game!A probably naïve/crude interpretation (apologies), but I suspect that they want to put pressure on the council to find a cheap new home for the club
They don't need us remember. Stadium is doing just fine and are contribution counts for little. Just like when Lucas kept telling us ACL was 'washing its face'.In addition, how amenable will Wasps be with potential loss of future income?
Why are people shitting themselves at the thought of the council calling sisu's bluff? It's very telling.
Fisher made a statement once that Ryton land (referring to old Peugot factory site) was too expensive.Ryton would be perfect, close to the A45 and A46, there is currently land that has not been used by ProLogis off of the Oxford Road, could easily get a 15,000- 20,000 stadium on there.
You are being pro council as alwaysSigh
Define “help” and define “reasonable terms” and maybe we’re getting somewhere.
Are they wanting financial help buying land? Do they want CCC to give them/sell them land?
Still not sure what’s stopping them buying land and putting planning in. CCC can’t just deny planning because they don’t like someone. If the app conforms to policy it’s got to be granted.
Am I being too cynical in seeing this as yet another way to kick everything into the long grass so they’ve got time to distress Wasps?
It is their side of the story certainly.
Contradicts other accounts, omits the judgements in court, provides claims but no proof, puts out figures that are not supported by filed public documents, twists some of the claims made against them. Does produce the odd snippet like the academy that it would be good to have explained. Although it would seem they are not averse to using similar tactics.
Basically not our fault it's everybody else Guv ... No recognition of their own mistakes or short comings at all
Knock yourselves out analysing it but it has provided very little for me and certainly does not move the club forward... More at risk if anything. Not going to help resolve the current problem at all
Aren't they trying to do that on their own already?
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