DazzleTommyDazzle
Well-Known Member
Agreed.
Plus an honourable mention for Gordon Milne for the 77/78 season/team (and the signings of Stein and Hutch!).
I’ve supported the sky blues since the sixties & Im loving this season. The style of play and culture within the team is fantastic.
I think it’s tricky to compare the performance of different managers over the years.
For instance there are numerous variables that need to be considered on the “value added” for each manager.
JH built not just a team, but along with Derrick Robbins changed the infrastructure and culture of the club.
Noel Cantwell led the team to European football with a top 6 finish in Division 1.
John Sillett got the team to top half in Division 1 & won the FA cup.
Mark Robins has faced some of the most challenging environments a manager has faced and could match JHs achievement of 2 promotions.
However, to make an assessment of which manager was the most successful is IMO too difficult to assess.
What is clear is the all of the managers listed above did something special. PUSB
I’d still take that than this level of football
Name a manager who's acquired more silverware.
Name an owner who's overseen the more acquired silverware.
Its bollocks because it's SISU. It's also painful to know that, but it doesn't deter away from being the truth. Even if they did play a major part as to why we are where we are. Credit for undoing the wrongs of fucking us up in the championship.
Also don't let this deter away the fact that we all still want new owners. But SISU will claim the praise for what they've achieved in the past few years with Robin's.
It's not just league position after all. The alienation and split they've caused has been catastrophic too, let alone fracturing the culture, the identity of the club.Returning the club to the same level we were at when they found us just without a contract to play at a stadium doesn’t make them a success. Fuck them.
Just because the council have fucked us over and Wasps are the main reason we can’t play in Cov doesn’t make sisu saints. We’d be much better off with different owners.
It's not just league position after all. The alienation and split they've caused has been catastrophic too, let alone fracturing the culture, the identity of the club.
Managing to relegate us a couple of times to then come back up doesn't make them a success. Otherwise we may as well have wound the club up, started at the dog and duck league with Ming the Merciless in charge, and won so many promotions that Ming would have been seen as best owner in all millenia known to man and amoeba kind.
That is also true. Just because they are shit doesn’t mean it couldn’t be worse. Jumping at the first opportunity landed us with sisu. The trust would have us as a subservient wasps entity if they’d got their way.It could be worse, they could’ve sold to Hoffman/Wasps with the wholehearted backing of the core of the Trust.
Fuckthat
SISU have brought years of lower league football. Yes it’s been fun, but we wasted years and years in leagues we never should have been in.
IF we go up we’ll be in the same position as when they bought us, only without the potential of our own ground. Absolutely no way they are our best owners. Yes they’ve got better and I’m definitely not saying they’re the worst ... but only when they build us a ground and get us in the prem are they classed our best owners.
It could be worse, they could’ve sold to Hoffman/Wasps with the wholehearted backing of the core of the Trust.
Fuckthat
Ffs I have to give you a likeI’d still take that than this level of football
SISU have brought years of lower league football. Yes it’s been fun, but we wasted years and years in leagues we never should have been in.
IF we go up we’ll be in the same position as when they bought us, only without the potential of our own ground. Absolutely no way they are our best owners. Yes they’ve got better and I’m definitely not saying they’re the worst ... but only when they build us a ground and get us in the prem are they classed our best owners.
Someone said it was a master stroke them getting on the phone to Robins to ask him to come back.
I think it was more a case of they had exhausted all avenues after their lame attempts with hapless managers before him and were hoping for him to steady the ship. I’m not sure that they predicted the fantastic job he would do on his second employment thus far. It’s fair to say that the success of Robins and his fantastic team is papering over the cracks for them and their incompetence during their wretched tenure.
The club was in an utter shit state financially when Sisu took over. They had a go initially backing managers but then it wasn’t viable. The recession also hit. They’ve had to strip the business (which a football club is) to its bare bones to get it self sufficient and our current model of talented young players, some experience and decent loans is working. Like every club we have to sell and can’t keep agents/big transfer fees at bay.
I’m not a Sisu fan, but they’ve kept the club going and I’m hoping as a club on the up, things are changing. Massive statement of intent is the next move on returning to the Ricoh or building a new stadium.
but first let’s get that promotion we all deserve
Someone said it was a master stroke them getting on the phone to Robins to ask him to come back.
I think it was more a case of they had exhausted all avenues after their lame attempts with hapless managers before him and were hoping for him to steady the ship. I’m not sure that they predicted the fantastic job he would do on his second employment thus far. It’s fair to say that the success of Robins and his fantastic team is papering over the cracks for them and their incompetence during their wretched tenure.
They never had a strategy for us. They were sold a dream by Ranson and they provided him with a budget to make it happen. When he failed miserably he threw his toys out of the pram and left sisu with a football club to run, something they had no idea how to do.You've touched on something around the recession. As a hedge fund they'll have been hit quite badly by that, and their profits are nothing like what they were pre-2008. As a minimum, I'm guessing it had some impact on their strategy for CCFC.
Not going to start defending every move they've made, but I've always understood many of the decisions they've made from a business perspective. I think, stadium issue aside, we're better run now than at any point in my lifetime. We'd be in quite a good place if the Ricoh hadn't been sold to Wasps.
They never had a strategy for us. They were sold a dream by Ranson and they provided him with a budget to make it happen. When he failed miserably he threw his toys out of the pram and left sisu with a football club to run, something they had no idea how to do.
They never had a strategy for us. They were sold a dream by Ranson and they provided him with a budget to make it happen. When he failed miserably he threw his toys out of the pram and left sisu with a football club to run, something they had no idea how to do.
You've touched on something around the recession. As a hedge fund they'll have been hit quite badly by that, and their profits are nothing like what they were pre-2008. As a minimum, I'm guessing it had some impact on their strategy for CCFC.
Not going to start defending every move they've made, but I've always understood many of the decisions they've made from a business perspective. I think, stadium issue aside, we're better run now than at any point in my lifetime. We'd be in quite a good place if the Ricoh hadn't been sold to Wasps.
I'm not sure its realistic to say they didn't have a strategy. This isn't their first business. It's clear plan A didn't work, so they moved onto plan B (which was likely guided in part by market forces).
I people’s main problem was Plan B was hire the likes of Igwe Onye and Ken Delieu and cut the club to the bone which still haemorrhaging cash.
Then Plan C was wheel out Fisher to piss off fans about a fake stadium while hiring the likes of Russell Slade.
Plan D has been OK though.
Says something the relationship was still there to ask and for robins to accept. Not sure we can love robins impact and not listen to his thoughts on Sisu Joy and cccSomeone said it was a master stroke them getting on the phone to Robins to ask him to come back.
I think it was more a case of they had exhausted all avenues after their lame attempts with hapless managers before him and were hoping for him to steady the ship. I’m not sure that they predicted the fantastic job he would do on his second employment thus far. It’s fair to say that the success of Robins and his fantastic team is papering over the cracks for them and their incompetence during their wretched tenure.
It’s an investment fund run by SISU. Basically a vehicle used to buy us out of admin from themselves.SISU may be our owners on paper but the real head honcho is the shady as hell 'Arvo Masterfund' and whoever or whatever is behind that front is a complete mystery.
1 season in the Premier league would make this football club completely debt free....
Thats an amazing thought
Mark Robins if he gains promotion would be the clubs most successful manager since Hill absolutely no question
Those halcyon daysOne of the issues I have is we become the forgotten club , even now no one really mentions us . I remember the day of CEEFAX sport and you could see Cov news on it. We have become nothing , I loved the great escapes we did
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