According to some on here, the money they make out of our football club is insignificant to the money they make from additional revenue sources. Surely this means that they could afford it as well, and it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to their profits!
OK Torch, you and Grendel put your heads together and come up with a scenario where any organisation, other than the council, would spend c.£30m in emergency unexpected revenue to bail a private football club out of its self-incflicted mess by paying for a new stadium to be built...then let it play there for a peppercorn rent?
Council's have to act like a business - Cov city council does not exist to bale out CCFC. The city does not owe CCFC a living.
Torch and Grendel - also stop harping on about the "market rate for league one" - that argument would only carry substance if we suddenly decided to rent Boundary Park or similar. Our scenario is that someone else has paid for us to have a Premier League standard ground and we need to pay for it accordingly. I don't care what any other club pays, our circumstances are unique.
Relegation has nothing to do with it we were paying 6 times the market rate before relegation and not allowed vital revenue streams. The club had to sign an agreement or die. If you had only one house you could live in and the evil landlord decided to suddenly charge 6 times the rent to your neighbour would be happy?
It is a disgrace, and if the council and ACL had a shred of dignity and morality they would allow a rent free agreement for at least the next 3 seasons to repair some of the damage that has been done to the club and its supporters.
Just wanna say this, 300k (in and around that area), is not peppercorn, Swansea, Ipswich and Hull pay peppercorn rent.
Did you not read the bit where I said I don't care what other clubs pay and that our circumstances are unique?
FFS -stop comparing us to other clubs!
Why? Because comparing clubs harms your argument?
Of course it matters what others pay, because it shows how badly we've been ripped off since 2005, oh, and I'd bet most of the clubs get 100% of their revenue streams, kiosks, parking etc. so actually make something from their fans' efforts.
Did you not read the bit where I said I don't care what other clubs pay and that our circumstances are unique?
FFS -stop comparing us to other clubs!
Why? Because comparing clubs harms your argument?
Of course it matters what others pay, because it shows how badly we've been ripped off since 2005, oh, and I'd bet most of the clubs get 100% of their revenue streams, kiosks, parking etc. so actually make something from their fans' efforts.
OK Torch, you and Grendel put your heads together and come up with a scenario where any organisation, other than the council, would spend c.£30m in emergency unexpected revenue to bail a private football club out of its self-incflicted mess by paying for a new stadium to be built...then let it play there for a peppercorn rent?
Council's have to act like a business - Cov city council does not exist to bale out CCFC. The city does not owe CCFC a living.
Torch and Grendel - also stop harping on about the "market rate for league one" - that argument would only carry substance if we suddenly decided to rent Boundary Park or similar. Our scenario is that someone else has paid for us to have a Premier League standard ground and we need to pay for it accordingly. I don't care what any other club pays, our circumstances are unique.
Well, there you go. Your last sentence sums it up really. No, you don't care for any one else's opinion, do you?
No, because the circumstances aren't the same. It's not a fair basis of comparison. The other clubs didn't all get their grounds built for them for free. You want to have your cake at eat it.
Even if other clubs get a cushy deal, so what? Why should taxpayers subsidise a cushy deal to which CCFC is not entitled?
Sorry you will just have to get your head round the idea that CCFC are in the wrong.
Wait, so Stoke council gave a free gift to their football club, therefore Coventry council is obliged to do the same? Is that really your logic???
Are you actually Tim Fisher?
If that is the best argument you can come up, with things must be looking bad at SISU Towers.
Wait, so Stoke council gave a free gift to their football club, therefore Coventry council is obliged to do the same? Is that really your logic???
Are you actually Tim Fisher?
If that is the best argument you can come up, with things must be looking bad at SISU Towers.
I think this says it all about you on this subject to be honest - happy to get ripped off.
Coming from a guy who thought Thorn should've kept his job for another 5 years (or for 5 years?) even if we relegated to L2 (!) clearly shows you don't have your head in the right place when it comes to CCFC.
Stoke city purchased the stadium for 5 years of our rent. Compare that to the £24 million quote for all revenue streams.
Doncaster paid no rent till this year and now have access to every bit if revenue generated
Ipswich pay £30,000 a year
Hull pay £47,000 a year
So you say the rent is fair. Justify in light of the above.
I think this says it all about you on this subject to be honest - happy to get ripped off.
Coming from a guy who thought Thorn should've kept his job for another 5 years (or for 5 years?) even if we relegated to L2 (!) clearly shows you don't have your head in the right place when it comes to CCFC.
Few posters thought I was Fisher, they were (probably) surprised they were standing right next to me, when I politely revealed myself.
I doubt anyone on this forum is Fisher, or anyone affiliated with SISU.
Don't forget that claimed after Thorn's sacking that he still believes him to be the best CCFC manager since Jimmy Hill...also...the Marlon King for England thing was a good laugh as well!
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Sorry but I just can't work out another way to get it through to you.
The only way we are being "ripped off" is if you expect to be given a free gift of a football ground. Grendel and Torch have stated that this indeed is their view. Do you go along with them?
OR are you a grown-up who realises that people have to pay what they owe?
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Sorry but I just can't work out another way to get it through to you.
The only way we are being "ripped off" is if you expect to be given a free gift of a football ground. Grendel and Torch have stated that this indeed is their view. Do you go along with them?
OR are you a grown-up who realises that people have to pay what they owe?
WE ARE NOT BEING RIPPED OFF - £1.2M p/a IS FAIR
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WE ARE NOT BEING RIPPED OFF - £1.2M p/a IS FAIR
Sorry but I just can't work out another way to get it through to you.
The only way we are being "ripped off" is if you expect to be given a free gift of a football ground. Grendel and Torch have stated that this indeed is their view. Do you go along with them?
OR are you a grown-up who realises that people have to pay what they owe?
Of course he doesn't want comparisons. Then the true greed of the council and its quango will be exposed.
Stole bought the Britannia stadium from its council and the local regeneration charity for £6 million. It cost 3 times that to construct.
Stokes council helped the club our council has its head firmly in the sky blue trough.
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WE ARE NOT BEING RIPPED OFF - £1.2M p/a IS FAIR
Sorry but I just can't work out another way to get it through to you.
The only way we are being "ripped off" is if you expect to be given a free gift of a football ground. Grendel and Torch have stated that this indeed is their view. Do you go along with them?
OR are you a grown-up who realises that people have to pay what they owe?
No, it's Grendel - and Torch is John Clarke!
By the way, where did you "reveal" yoursself? Was there some kind of SBT social that I missed?
Will you be happy when we are paying 1.2M a year in rent when we are relegated to League 1 as a lot of our turnover will be going on the rent of the stadium?
Believing that £1.2M a year in rent is ludicrous, it will slowly kill the club off, and you can forget about anyone ever taking over the club with the rent being so high, no-one else would want to pay through the nose for it.
In the pub in Bury, for Bury away, because I go to games.
I don't care about anyone else's opinion when those opinions are a load of old bollocks, no.
I see it all now - you genuinely expect a huge free gift from the council don't you?
Fuck me, it isn't going to happen. I am a taxpayer first and CCFC fan second, the council subsidise the club over my dead fucking body
Justify fair. When you have a property and need to establish a rental value you evaluate by location and circumstance.
Your deranged post is clearly an acknowledgement that you cannot justify. You are childish and petulant.
Who said ccfc wanted a free gift, a deal thats fair would suffice, stop talking crap. It also makes me laugh when people put "SISU out" at the end of their posts, because theres obviously a huge queue of multi millionaire/billionaires waiting outside the ricoh to take us over
Justify fair. When you have a property and need to establish a rental value you evaluate by location and circumstance.
Your deranged post is clearly an acknowledgement that you cannot justify. You are childish and petulant.
Grendel did, a few posts back. Twice.
The dream scenario for me would be ACL take over the club, if only temporarily, then put Coleman back in charge. The club has been in a nosedive since his disastrous sacking.
The more I think about this, the more offensive and insulting I realise it is. The crawling sense of entitlement, that as a football club we are due huge amounts of taxpayer subsidy.
Exactly why should a hard-pushed council prop up the doomed enterprise of a Mayfair hedge fund??
Err so do I - will be in the White Friars on Saturday ifi you want to discuss in more depth
Where have I stated we should be given it for free? Please copy and paste that statement.
If the rent was fair then ACL would have knowcked it down by £800K a year.
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