Sky Blue Trust statement (2 Viewers)

[armybike]

Selling out our football club for a quarter of a millennium to a franchise is reason enough to hate the cunts.

And hating them achieves?

 

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[Grendel]

And hating them achieves?

It doesn't achieve anything. As doesn't hating sisu or calling Tim and Joy silly names.

 

[Ian1779]

And hating them achieves?

Fuck all but it makes me feel better. A bit like hating SISU.

 

[Moff]

I just don't get what people hope to achieve by hating CCC.

I hate CCC Councillors (well most of them) I accept they wont resign because of this.
I hate Wasps. I accept they wont leave Coventry due to this
I hate SISU more than any of these. I accept they wont sell up because I hate them.

What does anyone think their hatred of anything will achieve?
It achieves nothing but its personal to how a person feels about a situation.

 

[armybike]

The point I was ham-fistedly trying to make was is it not time we look towards pinning SISU down of what they're going to do.

The hatred/anger towards CCC is totally valid but it's SISU who hold the answers - wouldn't energy best be spent getting answers to questions be more productive for all parties?

 

[italiahorse]

The point I was ham-fistedly trying to make was is it not time we look towards pinning SISU down of what they're going to do.

The hatred/anger towards CCC is totally valid but it's SISU who hold the answers - wouldn't energy best be spent getting answers to questions be more productive for all parties?

Your wasting your time on this forum.

Shout SISU OUT and the usual come in with "What about the council ?"
Nothing moves on and SISU never get challenged.

We can all at least agree that we don't want SISU here, surely ?

 

[Nick]

Your wasting your time on this forum.

Shout SISU OUT and the usual come in with "What about the council ?"
Nothing moves on and SISU never get challenged.

We can all at least agree that we don't want SISU here, surely ?

Nobody is saying don't challenge sisu, it's challenge everybody. Not shout at one and cosy up to others. Rinse and repeat.

 

[italiahorse]

Nobody is saying don't challenge sisu, it's challenge everybody. Not shout at one and cosy up to others. Rinse and repeat.

I rest my case on pushing SISU and someone comes in with 'what about the others?"

Your first every time !!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Your wasting your time on this forum.

Shout SISU OUT and the usual come in with "What about the council ?"
Nothing moves on and SISU never get challenged.

We can all at least agree that we don't want SISU here, surely ?

Spent however many years challenging SISU, with cocks telling me all they were showing was good business sense.

I don't see why it isn't possible to challenge all parties. armybike is quite correct, SISU need to be tied down to what they're actually going to do but... that's not like anything we haven't been saying for however long, anyway! Question that's more appropriate is how do you tie them down to a proper plan for a ground if they refuse to be tied down to it...?

It also shouldn't stop pushing for CCC to be more fothcoming in helping its city's football club find some land for a stadium.

Neither of those points has to be an either/or. Neither of those points absolves any party from responsibility. Both are probably necessary to find a resolution, a strategy to pressure both into that is easier said than done. In fact, the CCC bit would probably be easier to co-ordinate...

 

[Nick]

I rest my case on pushing SISU and someone comes in with 'what about the others?"

Your first every time !!

It makes more sense than cosying up to them doesn't it?

 

[stupot07]

Your wasting your time on this forum.

Shout SISU OUT and the usual come in with "What about the council ?"
Nothing moves on and SISU never get challenged.

We can all at least agree that we don't want SISU here, surely ?

We're still waiting for you to start the Sisu Out/tell us your plan thread.

This one is about the trust and their statement, and given the CT have also read into the statement what Nick and I and others have, then its nothing to do with being sisu out or not, but about wanting the SBT to be more neutral with this particular press release.

We all want sisu gone, that's a separate issue, we can still want the other parties to be held to account for their decisions.

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[Nick]

We're still waiting for you to start the Sisu Out/tell us your plan thread.

This one is about the trust and their statement, and given the CT have also read into the statement what Nick and I and others have, then its nothing to do with being sisu out or not, but about wanting the SBT to be more neutral with this particular press release.

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I think sbk who also said it is very anti sisu as well

 

[italiahorse]

We're still waiting for you to start the Sisu Out/tell us your plan thread.

This one is about the trust and their statement, and given the CT have also read into the statement what Nick and I and others have, then its nothing to do with being sisu out or not, but about wanting the SBT to be more neutral with this particular press release.

We all want sisu gone, that's a separate issue, we can still want the other parties to be held to account for their decisions.

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I wouldn't do it on here it would get diluted by the 'don't upset Sisu because of the football' posters.

 

[Nick]

I wouldn't do it on here it would get diluted by the 'don't upset Sisu because of the football' posters.

And because it wouldn't actually upset sisu?

 

[italiahorse]

And because it wouldn't actually upset sisu?

They have bigger fish to fry !!

 

[armybike]

Yep aware that efforts have been made to try and get the info from SISU for some time, but that's actually my point - the anger will achieve nothing but a reasoned approach could be progressed if in the right manner - the problem is that it all becomes a finger pointing melodrama of blame and the core issues aren't progressed towards being asked of SISU.

Blame lies on both sides - but we're in the here and now.

People are saying that CCC need to do their share and help progress the situation and this is absolutely correct, but progress what?

If there's going to be a new stadium then when/where - there is no point in scoffing at this notion because that again just brings us back to the finger pointing type spiral downwards.

If it's The Butts then when.

If it's going to be staying at Ricoh then get round the table.

One of these three options needs to be progressed or we could end up on short term extentions to the current agreement and neither the club or fans need that.

So......how can we get SISU to answer the seeming million dollar question?

 

[duffer]

I can't understand why anyone gets particularly bothered by SISU pursuing action through the courts against the Council. If SISU continue to lose, it doesn't cost the taxpayer any huge amount of money because they'll get their costs back. In the meatime there are still plenty of questions to be answered from where I sit. If the council should lose, which looks unlikely given the current record, then presumably it's because the court agree they've done something wrong in law.

Does anyone really think the pot that TM gets to spend would be significantly bigger if this legal action wasn't ongoing. Why? The owners have been clear that they expect the club to pay for itself.

As for the trust, as long as they appear to be offering tacit support for a franchise team from London, I want nothing to do with them. It's just grubby hypocrisy in my eyes, given the outrage when we were moved to Northampton. If the trust want to claim to speak for the members on this then maybe they should make the effort to ask them. They've got my email address still, presumably.

The trust have started to assume that they speak for all supporters - but I think the truth is that there's a signficant amount (like me) that want nothing to do with Wasps. Maybe they should consider that when issuing statements.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The Sky Blue Trust welcomes the announcement of the Appeal Court verdict regarding the Judicial Review into Coventry City Council providing financial support for Arena Coventry Limited (ACL).

The ruling of 3 senior Justices – Tomlinson, Treacey and Floyd - upheld the decision made by Justice Hickinbottom in 2014 and praised that original “impressive judgment”. It also states that: “The appellants [Sisu] have not in my view come close to demonstrating that the judge reached an impermissible conclusion.”

That one might think would be an end of the matter. However, Sisu’s legal team have indicated a strong possibility that the fight may continue, with solicitor Alex Carter-Silk saying that: “There are significant public policy reasons why this matter should be reviewed by the Supreme Court. A reference of certain aspects of the matter to the European Commission is also under consideration.” In the background there is also the spectre of Judicial Review 2 which concerns the sale of ACL to Wasps Rugby Club.

Clearly, like any losing party in a court action, Sisu are inevitably disappointed with this outcome. However, the overwhelming reaction of Coventry City supporters, whatever their views may have been on the rights and wrongs of this case, is that “Enough is Enough”. Social media reaction has been virtually unanimous on that point.

Therefore, the Sky Blue Trust urges Sisu to heed the views and advice from Sky Blues fans. This matter has dragged on for much too long and is a distraction, if not a direct financial drain, on the Club. We therefore respectfully suggest that Sisu put this matter behind them and ask them to work constructively with their partners in the City of Coventry including the City Council, ACL, Wasps and others with a view to achieving future success, on and off the field, for the club we all love.

Glad I'm not a member. I don't welcome the judgment just acknowledge it. Despite that I wish the court actions stop.

 

[italiahorse]

Spent however many years challenging SISU, with cocks telling me all they were showing was good business sense.

I don't see why it isn't possible to challenge all parties. armybike is quite correct, SISU need to be tied down to what they're actually going to do but... that's not like anything we haven't been saying for however long, anyway! Question that's more appropriate is how do you tie them down to a proper plan for a ground if they refuse to be tied down to it...?

It also shouldn't stop pushing for CCC to be more fothcoming in helping its city's football club find some land for a stadium.

Neither of those points has to be an either/or. Neither of those points absolves any party from responsibility. Both are probably necessary to find a resolution, a strategy to pressure both into that is easier said than done. In fact, the CCC bit would probably be easier to co-ordinate...

But are Sisu planning on really building a stadium ?
Can't challenge CCC until Sisu tell us what the hold up is, surely ?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But are Sisu planning on really building a stadium ?
Can't challenge CCC until Sisu tell us what the hold up is, surely ?

You can challenge both, they don't have to be related.

Personally I get the strong suspicion that this is now a battle for 'victory' as much as anything, and a 'win' in some parties' eyes is that the football club gets subsumed into the rugby club. I'd be a lot more reassured I was wrong if the council made some actions to show otherwise.

More options also make us more saleable if/when SISU leave... and surely anybody who wants SISU to leave, wants us to be more saleable?!?

So what's not to like about ensuring that options are open?

 

[italiahorse]

You can challenge both, they don't have to be related.

Personally I get the strong suspicion that this is now a battle for 'victory' as much as anything, and a 'win' in some parties' eyes is that the football club gets subsumed into the rugby club. I'd be a lot more reassured I was wrong if the council made some actions to show otherwise.

More options also make us more saleable if/when SISU leave... and surely anybody who wants SISU to leave, wants us to be more saleable?!?

So what's not to like about ensuring that options are open?

We just need Sisu to put the club up for sale without the debt they caused.

This team, manager with a good long term deal at the Ricoh would be snapped up.
Particularly as it is breaking even now.

 

[chiefdave]

But are Sisu planning on really building a stadium ?
Can't challenge CCC until Sisu tell us what the hold up is, surely ?

Keep up, plan A is to stay at the Ricoh but requires the co-operation of Wasps on numerous points. Moving is now plan B.

 

[italiahorse]

Keep up, plan A is to stay at the Ricoh but requires the co-operation of Wasps on numerous points. Moving is now plan B.

I thought Seppalla corrected him on that one !!!

 

[theferret]

We just need Sisu to put the club up for sale without the debt they caused.

This team, manager with a good long term deal at the Ricoh would be snapped up.
Particularly as it is breaking even now.

What is a good long term deal? A good long term deal (financially) is still not particularly attractive if it means wall to wall Wasps branding, no club shop, no ticket outlet and an overwhelming sense that we're just squatting 23 times a year. The place feels less like home with every visit. Overcome all that fine - but I can't see any deal that will, in which case we have to move surely. Just wish they'd get on with it.

 

[Moff]

The point I was ham-fistedly trying to make was is it not time we look towards pinning SISU down of what they're going to do.

The hatred/anger towards CCC is totally valid but it's SISU who hold the answers - wouldn't energy best be spent getting answers to questions be more productive for all parties?

I totally agree with that. How we get those answers though is going to take some effort.

 

[Moff]

Your wasting your time on this forum.

Shout SISU OUT and the usual come in with "What about the council ?"
Nothing moves on and SISU never get challenged.

We can all at least agree that we don't want SISU here, surely ?

He's wasting his time reading this post of yours.

99% shout SISU out but you just moan about the 1%, as if it makes any difference, and even if they did shout SISU out you would probably miss it whilst being so indignant.

You keep saying SISU never get challenged so over to you, how are YOU going to challenge them, and how will YOU get any answers off them.

 

[dongonzalos]

I can't understand why anyone gets particularly bothered by SISU pursuing action through the courts against the Council. If SISU continue to lose, it doesn't cost the taxpayer any huge amount of money because they'll get their costs back. In the meatime there are still plenty of questions to be answered from where I sit. If the council should lose, which looks unlikely given the current record, then presumably it's because the court agree they've done something wrong in law.

Does anyone really think the pot that TM gets to spend would be significantly bigger if this legal action wasn't ongoing. Why? The owners have been clear that they expect the club to pay for itself.

As for the trust, as long as they appear to be offering tacit support for a franchise team from London, I want nothing to do with them. It's just grubby hypocrisy in my eyes, given the outrage when we were moved to Northampton. If the trust want to claim to speak for the members on this then maybe they should make the effort to ask them. They've got my email address still, presumably.

The trust have started to assume that they speak for all supporters - but I think the truth is that there's a signficant amount (like me) that want nothing to do with Wasps. Maybe they should consider that when issuing statements.

I gues the only reason it bothers some of us is.
It looks futile and in winnable
At the moment it looks like it has cost somewhere between 1-2 million.
It's unlikely SISU would have given the extra 1-2 million to the playing budget however if they had that's nearly a 30% increase and I would gues this season a play off spot.
The next round of legal action is likely to piss off Wasps. Whom it seems negotiations with us out only sensible way forward.
So far taking legal action against the council just seems to cause us harm.
Northampton
Sale to Wasps
Potentially now the academy facilities.
It's time to stop

 

[stupot07]

We just need Sisu to put the club up for sale without the debt they caused.

This team, manager with a good long term deal at the Ricoh would be snapped up.
Particularly as it is breaking even now.

1) why would sisu put the club up for sake without the debt? We're now break even, they could run us for the next 20 years without having to put in any more money, so why would they rush to sell and lose what money they have already put in (they haven't lost that money until they right off the debt).

2) why would someone want to snap us up with a long term deal at the Ricoh? There are plenty of bigger clubs who actually own assets that are struggling to find a buyer. Why would anyone be interested in us now, that they can never own the Ricoh?


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[italiahorse]

It needs to be done as a collective.
However the only one we really have is the Sky Blue Trust.

Read this forum and particularly this thread and they get berated every time they try something.

I can't even get a response from CCFC management regards offering my services FOC for disabled coordination (which is a shambles).
Even Jonathan Strange supposedly fed it into the Supporters Group (including a list of disabled issues) but it's a black hole.
Try and get to Sisu individually and it gets filed in their round filing cabinet.

This forum is collection of moaners (including myself) who don't really want to move this on themselves but criticise those that make any effort (not including myself).

 

[italiahorse]

1) why would sisu put the club up for sake without the debt? We're now break even, they could run us for the next 20 years without having to put in any more money, so why would they rush to sell and lose what money they have already put in (they haven't lost that money until they right off the debt).

We are still loosing money for them. Have you forgot they moved the break even ?
They won't get their money back so they might as well cut their losses and give someone else a chance.
Didn't they say they had written off the debt ? Or in reality have they tied the club up with some debenture or something?

2) why would someone want to snap us up with a long term deal at the Ricoh? There are plenty of bigger clubs who actually own assets that are struggling to find a buyer. Why would anyone be interested in us now, that they can never own the Ricoh?

This makes me laugh about not having a stadium
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If SISU sold the club (at asset value) the new owner could build a new stadium. Cost = Price of CCFC + cost of stadium.
If SISU owned the stadium (Ricoh) they could sell the club (at asset value) and the stadium together. Cost = Price of CCFC + cost of stadium.

They are(were) holding onto the club in the vain hope they get the stadium cheaper than it's worth (JR fact) so they can get back some of their losses.
It's all about them not the club or the fans.

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[stupot07]

Where is the new owner going to build a stadium? People have said they won't go if its outside the city boundary, CCC said there is no land in the city. So a new owner is going to snap the club up (again much bigger clubs that actually own assets are struggling to find buyers) knowing theres no land, no planning permission, etc? Thats a huge risk for huge risk.

Its too easy to say they should cut their losses accept what's its worth (£1), write off the debt and leave, its not our money.

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[Nick]

Where is the new owner going to build a stadium? People have said they won't go if its outside the city boundary, CCC said there is no land in the city. So a new owner is going to snap the club up (again much bigger clubs that actually own assets are struggling to find buyers) knowing theres no land, no planning permission, etc? Thats a huge risk for huge risk.

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what they could do though is look for an empty stadium and line it up before buying the club, then get the club and the stadium shortly after? Might be a few around the country, then just claim there wasn't anywhere in Coventry?

People will be mad for it.

 

[armybike]

what they could do though is look for an empty stadium and line it up before buying the club, then get the club and the stadium shortly after? Might be a few around the country, then just claim there wasn't anywhere in Coventry?

People will be mad for it.

Yep, this type of reply is really really productive. Exactly what the situation. Good work

Why as the owner/admin of this forum are you so quick in dragging every post into the same downwards spiral?

Do you think continually looking backwards is going to assist moving things forward for CCFC and the fans?

The tone of this forum is driven by you and I'm totally unable to understand what you hope to achieve by it?

 

[Nick]

Yep, this type of reply is really really productive. Exactly what the situation. Good work 

Why as the owner/admin of this forum are you so quick in dragging every post into the same downwards spiral?

Do you think continually looking backwards is going to assist moving things forward for CCFC and the fans?

The tone of this forum is driven by you and I'm totally unable to understand what you hope to achieve by it?

I post as an equal to everybody else. The tone isn't driven by me, it is driven by all the members.

Do you think a buyer would prefer coventry city over a team with it's own stadium then or buy ccfc on the off chance they might be able to get a bit of land?

Do people really think we are attractive to potential buyers as we are? Even without the SISU debt?

Do you not think all parties would need to look back, to learn from it, to move forward? OR is it just when somebody has a dig at Wasps you don't like it?

 

[skybluetony176]

Where is the new owner going to build a stadium? People have said they won't go if its outside the city boundary, CCC said there is no land in the city. So a new owner is going to snap the club up (again much bigger clubs that actually own assets are struggling to find buyers) knowing theres no land, no planning permission, etc? Thats a huge risk for huge risk.

Its too easy to say they should cut their losses accept what's its worth (£1), write off the debt and leave, its not our money.

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I think that most people have said it depends how far out of the city boundary. It's a pointless debate anyway as SISU have shown about as much commitment to building a new stadium as they have to buying the Ricoh i.e. not alot. As for CCC saying that there's no site available within the city wasn't that specifically a 60 acre site? Truth is we don't need 60 acre's site for a new stadium. Any new owners who are serious about building a stadium and stadium only while willing to build bridges with the council might not find it as difficult to locate a site in the city.