Slade (8 Viewers)

Super Graham Withey · Feb 11, 2017

Slade isn't blameless but our player recruitment in recent seasons has been dire. This has been identified by Fisher but I suspect the plan for recruitment has been largely devised by SISU as part of their plan to strip every last penny they can from the club. The plan, developing our own academy products for future sale with cast offs from other academies/young loan players/30 something has beens, has left us with a team short of mental stength and physicality. We just don't seem to be in the market for solid lower league pros in their mid to late 20s, the sort of players that teams like Scunthorpe, Rochdale and Fleetwood buy. It's players like these who dig out ugly wins in League 1 and League 2 for you, not a load of kids sprinkled with the odd Tudgay or Ricketts. If we had proper owners we'd recruit a team fit for purpose in League 1.

oucho · Feb 11, 2017

Otis said:
Thing is, if we now accept we are down we can take a good look at the squad and see who will be here next season and who won't.

We shouldn't "accept it" until it's mathematically impossible for us to stay up. After that, then yes we need to look to the future and select the team accordingly.

Otis · Feb 11, 2017

oucho said:
We shouldn't "accept it" until it's mathematically impossible for us to stay up. After that, then yes we need to look to the future and select the team accordingly.

Which is why I say the only chance we have is that of a new manager bounce.

It is clearly not working for Slade. If he can't get a single win in 8 games how on earth do we think he is capable of getting 4 wins in a row.

Hobo · Feb 11, 2017

Otis said:
The way I see it though, Bob, is that we simply cannot afford to drop out for this league. Just one step away from non-league and the certainty of another struggle next year in front of every dwindling crowds.

Bottom line is his contract is just until the summer anyway.

If he was definitely staying on then I would say pointless getting rid, but if we keep on losing and losing and losing and he's not staying with the club, then it's pointless him remaining.

No, no, no...Venus was wrong to be in charge until almost January. I said at the start the new manager should be appointed in November, so he could go into the January window fully aware of what he needed. The Venus tenure was more damaging than Mowbrays summer.

If Slade has failed in his remit (and I believe he has shown nothing) then get rid. Bring someone in who can start shaping for next season now. So he can start planning for the summer transfer window now.

Slade has had a tough remit but has brought nothing to the table, not even a glimmer. He just hasn't got what we need.

oucho · Feb 11, 2017

steve82 said:
This squad needs wiping out

Sounds like you want someone to go down to Ryton tomorrow with an Uzi and mow them all down!!

oucho · Feb 11, 2017

Otis said:
Which is why I say the only chance we have is that of a new manager bounce.

It is clearly not working for Slade. If he can't get a single win in 8 games how on earth do we think he is capable of getting 4 wins in a row.

Slade was hired to provide a new manager bounce! It didn't happen but that doesn't mean we get rid of him after 8 games and try again with someone else....the same thing will probably happen and we'll have gained nothing and lost a chunk of compo (OK, not very much probably).

Micky Adams didn't win any of his first 8 games in charge, were you glad further down the line that we didn't sack him after 8?

rockdude101 · Feb 11, 2017

oucho said:
We shouldn't "accept it" until it's mathematically impossible for us to stay up. After that, then yes we need to look to the future and select the team accordingly.

Our form last six games:
Won - 0
Draw - 1
Lost - 5

Goals scored - 4
Goals conceded - 12

We haven't recorded a league win in over 100 days (1st Nov '16) or a draw in 40 days (2nd Jan '17)
Worst goal difference in league (-22), second worst goals scored (25 in 30 games) equal fifth worst goals conceded (47 in 30 games)
10 points from 20th, 5 points away from 23rd.

It is not impossible, no. But do you really think we have a snowball's chance of staying up?

Otis · Feb 11, 2017

oucho said:
Slade was hired to provide a new manager bounce! It didn't happen but that doesn't mean we get rid of him after 8 games and try again with someone else....the same thing will probably happen and we'll have gained nothing and lost a chunk of compo (OK, not very much probably).

Micky Adams didn't win any of his first 8 games in charge, were you glad further down the line that we didn't sack him after 8?

You are missing the point, Oucho.

As I have said several times this evening, I am basing everything I have said on the fact that Slade is only here to the summer.

Did Adams only have a contract til the summer?

If he is going anyway and we keep losing, then what is the point keeping him?

It's not about the 8 games, it is about him leaving the club in just a couple of months or so.

If I had a choice who was in charge right now out of the manager who will be with us next season and the manager who won't. I will plump for the former than you very much.

steve82 · Feb 11, 2017

The huge damage was done by MV in November and December that slump after a initial spark has cut deep within. A difficult job for anyone to rescue.
Should we of taken up the interest of Steve Evans who was touted as a possibility at the time before MV fucked it all up?
Has transformed Mansfield massively however he was able to change a lot of the playing squad and backed by the board.
Paying dividends now.

Otis · Feb 11, 2017

steve82 said:
The huge damage was done by MV in November and December that slump after a initial spark has cut deep within. A difficult job for anyone to rescue.
Should we of taken up the interest of Steve Evans who was touted as a possibility at the time before MV fucked it all up?
Has transformed Mansfield massively however he was able to change a lot of the playing squad and backed by the board.
Paying dividends now.

And even though he WAS right, Venus should have never said publicly that these players were not good enough for League One.

oucho · Feb 11, 2017

Otis said:
You are missing the point, Oucho.

As I have said several times this evening, I am basing everything I have said on the fact that Slade is only here to the summer.

Did Adams only have a contract til the summer?

If he is going anyway and we keep losing, then what is the point keeping him?

It's not about the 8 games, it is about him leaving the club in just a couple of months or so.

If I had a choice who was in charge right now out of the manager who will be with us next season and the manager who won't. I will plump for the former than you very much.

Mate I just think that a man needs more than 8 league games before he is dismissed. And I say that as someone who now fully expects us to go down. I feel we may well have a rally in form but not to the point where it'll save us.

fellatio_Martinez · Feb 11, 2017

Head like a fucking orange.

oucho · Feb 11, 2017

lifeskyblue said:
Keep him till end of season but have someone lined up for May ready to get team in place over summer
Don't hold your breath.

PUSB

Otis said:
Wouldn't be Oggy. I am sure it would be Ricketts.

Is Ricketts even still at the club?

Otis · Feb 11, 2017

oucho said:
Mate I just think that a man needs more than 8 league games before he is dismissed. And I say that as someone who now fully expects us to go down. I feel we may well have a rally in form but not to the point where it'll save us.

I honestly now think the only chance we have got to stay up, no matter how slim it is, is to bring a new man to the helm. With Slade it is not working. I have never been one for sacking managers early on, but this is all very desperate.

I know Slade has only been here 5 mins but nearly everyone is up and arms about his tactics and style of play and we do keep on losing.

In a manager I always look for little seeds of encouragement. Look at what the manager is trying to do and sometimes you look and you say 'yes! If he can now just get a left winger in or a midfield dynamo this could work.'

With Slade, every though in the EFL Trophy games we have played some crisp passing football on the deck, in the league he appears clueless and we are bypassing the midfield, hitting the ball up to small strikers.

What he is doing clearly isn't working and it's going to need more than a Yakubu to sort this mess out.

Otis · Feb 11, 2017

oucho said:
Is Ricketts even still at the club?

Yeah, he's on the coaching team isn't he?

oucho · Feb 11, 2017

Otis said:
I honestly now think the only chance we have got to stay up, no matter how slim it is, is to bring a man to the helm. With Slade it is not working.

The same applied under when Mowbray was manager and failing. And Venus. Oh, and Pressley (and Thorn, and Boothroyd etc).

There's no reason to think that Slade is especially bad, or that any candidate who would take the job could do much better. Yes, they couldn't do much worse either but since the whole "new manager bounce" strategy has failed once this season I do not think we should be in a hurry to spin the wheel again; it's clearly not the manager, whoever he is, who is causing this failure.

Regis87 · Feb 11, 2017

Slade is not the saviour and never was - He is not good enough to get us out of this situation we are in but probably no one else can with this group of average lg1-2 players . There is no point in sacking him as we are down anyway . He was only here until the end of the season anyway .
A decently run club may start thinking about rebuilding ready for the promotion challenge ahead next season and get rid of all the shit loan players we have and try to build for next season .
Sadly we have owners who don't give a fuck !

oucho · Feb 11, 2017

Otis said:
Yeah, he's on the coaching team isn't he?

not according to the offal: Boardroom

Super Graham Withey · Feb 11, 2017

steve82 said:
The huge damage was done by MV in November and December that slump after a initial spark has cut deep within. A difficult job for anyone to rescue.
Should we of taken up the interest of Steve Evans who was touted as a possibility at the time before MV fucked it all up?
Has transformed Mansfield massively however he was able to change a lot of the playing squad and backed by the board.
Paying dividends now.

Bac

Otis said:
I honestly now think the only chance we have got to stay up, no matter how slim it is, is to bring a man to the helm. With Slade it is not working.

I know Slade has only been here 5 mins but nearly everyone is up and arms about his tactics and style of play and we do keep on losing.

In a manager I always look for little seeds of encouragement. Look at what the manager is trying to do and sometimes you look and you say 'yes! If he can now just get a left winger in or a midfield dynamo this could work.'

With Slade, every though in the EFL Trophy games we have played some crisp passing football on the deck, in the league he appears clueless and we are bypassing the midfield, hitting the ball up to small strikers.

What he is doing clearly isn't working and it's going to need more than a Yakubu to sort this message out.

You can rid of Slade and bring in whoever you like but we will not stay up with this squad. For next season we need a complete clear out all of our tippy tappy footballers and we need to bring in some lower league dogs who will tough it out at places like Morecambe and Carlisle. This squad, including most of the academy products, has failed and they can all go in the Summer.

oucho · Feb 11, 2017

I said at the start of the season that we were too meek, young, callow and inexperienced. DKE, Harries, Stevenson, G Thomas and others should have been nowhere near being regular starters. It's time as SGW says above to get in some proper old League Two slags to give us the fight that we'll need. If we keep the same sort of squad we won't make much progress.

As for Slade, it does seem we are heading for the drop - I have lost all realistic expectation of avoiding it (although with 16 games to you cannot stop yourself from hoping against hope). Given that he gave us no "new manager" bounce, there's no reason to expect another manager to do that either; we're limited by the squad (see above). So if it won't make any difference whether we sack Slade or not, I don't see the point in sacking him.

ecky · Feb 11, 2017

Hobo said:
No, no, no...Venus was wrong to be in charge until almost January. I said at the start the new manager should be appointed in November, so he could go into the January window fully aware of what he needed. The Venus tenure was more damaging than Mowbrays summer.

If Slade has failed in his remit (and I believe he has shown nothing) then get rid. Bring someone in who can start shaping for next season now. So he can start planning for the summer transfer window now.

Slade has had a tough remit but has brought nothing to the table, not even a glimmer. He just hasn't got what we need.

Slade has failed but so has Venus and Fisher
Fisher has to resign or be sacked for his disastrous reign at CCFC

SlowerThanPlatt · Feb 11, 2017

oucho said:
I said at the start of the season that we were too meek, young, callow and inexperienced. DKE, Harries, Stevenson, G Thomas and others should have been nowhere near being regular starters. It's time as SGW says above to get in some proper old League Two slags to give us the fight that we'll need. If we keep the same sort of squad we won't make much progress.

As for Slade, it does seem we are heading for the drop - I have lost all realistic expectation of avoiding it (although with 16 games to you cannot stop yourself from hoping against hope). Given that he gave us no "new manager" bounce, there's no reason to expect another manager to do that either; we're limited by the squad (see above). So if it won't make any difference whether we sack Slade or not, I don't see the point in sacking him.

I think the young players you have listed are the select few who can come away with a little bit of credit this season. In the main they've been let down by the senior players who have underperformed

Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue · Feb 12, 2017

oucho said:
Slade was hired to provide a new manager bounce! It didn't happen but that doesn't mean we get rid of him after 8 games and try again with someone else....the same thing will probably happen and we'll have gained nothing and lost a chunk of compo (OK, not very much probably).

Micky Adams didn't win any of his first 8 games in charge, were you glad further down the line that we didn't sack him after 8?

Appreciate what you're getting at but you really need to stop the Mickey Adams comparisons. When Adams came in we saw at least some glimmers of hope and could see the results were around the corner.

Slade has undoubtedly made us worse, brought in some fucking dreadful players and now we can't see where our next goal is coming from- nevermind 3 points! We haven't even had the new manager bounce from Slade - and even that snake Venus managed to get a couple of victories.

Paxman II · Feb 12, 2017

This is simple. Regardless of everything Slade has shown no tactical nous, and while he seems a nice guy has failed to motivate the players he has.
Looking at his team selections I've been bewildered. He has single handily put us in this position. He could certainly have done so much better even with what we have.
Sadly I can't see the Yak signing for us now either.

shelby76 · Feb 12, 2017

SlowerThanPlatt said:
I think the young players you have listed are the select few who can come away with a little bit of credit this season. In the main they've been let down by the senior players who have underperformed

if anything the only thing this has done for the young players selected is that there stock has deminished. If we go into league 2 you can half there value straight away and we need to sell them if we can to balance the books . Think we should have stuck with venus at this point.

Gazolba · Feb 12, 2017

Otis said:
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As you say, we are all but relegated. Need to now plan for next season.

I'm not sure what advance planning can be done. I'm pretty sure all the top earners will be let go and everyone who can be sold for good money will be sold. Slade will be gone and most of the players too. Based on our goal-keepers this season, Oggy should go too. Season ticket sales will take a major drop and that will affect the budget for players and a manager. I'd imagine we'll get a manager from L2 or non-league.

Otis · Feb 12, 2017

SlowerThanPlatt said:
I think the young players you have listed are the select few who can come away with a little bit of credit this season. In the main they've been let down by the senior players who have underperformed

Yep, agree.

The players such as DKE and Harries, that Oucho has just listed, are the very players people on here were saying shouldn't have been dropped after Tuesday.

Of course, Oucho didn't go to the game OR watch it on TV, so he will have no idea how well they played.

Otis · Feb 12, 2017

Gazolba said:
I'm not sure what advance planning can be done. I'm pretty sure all the top earners will be let go and everyone who can be sold for good money will be sold. Slade will be gone and most of the players too. Based on our goal-keepers this season, Oggy should go too. Season ticket sales will take a major drop and that will affect the budget for players and a manager. I'd imagine we'll get a manager from L2 or non-league.

The advance planning that can be done is, that you play the players now who are going to be here next season.

If DKE is here next season and Foley not, you play DKE.

You look now at what you have to work with next season.

You can't do that much, but there are little things you can do.

Esoterica · Feb 12, 2017

steve82 said:
What a sorry day, but we've learned nothing new. The fundamental issues still there throughout the side.
A young keeper drops arguably 2 changers, and goals come from it.
Defence still not solid with the incision of clarke who's helped but work still needs doing.
Midfield don't have the fight and creativity.
Strikers are lacking goals weekly baring 2 today.
The fundamental issues still lay deep in this team and have since day one. We've all said it all season, Lack of pace, quality, fight, desire and above all else mental strength.
Wether Slade is or is not the man to be here or not going forward needs addressing ASAP as may will be here fast. This squad needs wiping out, there is not a lot worth keeping but it needs building very very early.
We don't want to be going into July with 5 first team players reporting for duty and no manager in place.
Slade was brought in to firefight it's not happening, the issues lay deeper..... it's almost grained in. Yes he's signed players who's added in areas but it's seems it's not enough to fix the issues, I heard the passion and frustration in him tonight but it's the 11 on the pitch that are not up to it. Any manager would suffer the same fate, young, old... Jose, sir Alex to a rookie... the tools for the job ain't up to it.
If you could find a bright note then any manager at the helm come the summer has a blank canvas to start with and Jesus they need it.
It needs a rebuild top to bottom

We've had a blank canvas every summer, as much part of the problem as it is a bright note. You can't build a competitive squad in 1 transfer window.

Otis · Feb 12, 2017

Esoterica said:
We've had a blank canvas every summer, as much part of the problem as it is a bright note. You can't build a competitive squad in 1 transfer window.

Last January window was poor and now it is looking like maybe this one is going to prove to be poor too.

This has got to be the worst season for a long, long time hasn't it.

When we went down from the Championship we won 9 games for the season.

We have 4 wins so far. There are still 16 games to go, but can anyone on here see us winning another 5?

We really do deserve to go down and now as the pressure mounts and mounts to win games and turn things round, you have to accept more and more mistakes will be made (if it's possible to make more mistakes than we are already making of course).

It's pitiful.

mark82 · Feb 12, 2017

SlowerThanPlatt said:
I think the young players you have listed are the select few who can come away with a little bit of credit this season. In the main they've been let down by the senior players who have underperformed

Agree, they are the players we should be building a team around. They care about the club and aren't just after a payday. What we should be doing is playing a style that suits the players we have.

I'm expecting big things of George Thomas in particular next year. He looks close to breaking through, was excellent against Wycombe. Harries too if we can keep him. Add in Ponticelli who is scoring for fun in the youth team with an experienced striker (not Tudgay - one who can score) and we have a solid core, particularly if we can keep Stevenson (which is maybe unlikely).

Super Graham Withey · Feb 12, 2017

mark82 said:
Agree, they are the players we should be building a team around. They care about the club and aren't just after a payday. What we should be doing is playing a style that suits the players we have.

I'm expecting big things of George Thomas in particular next year. He looks close to breaking through, was excellent against Wycombe. Harries too if we can keep him. Add in Ponticelli who is scoring for fun in the youth team with an experienced striker (not Tudgay - one who can score) and we have a solid core, particularly if we can keep Stevenson (which is maybe unlikely).

Totally disagree. We need a complete clear out and we need to bring lower league dogs who can tough it out at places like Hartlepool and Yeovil. Why do players need to care about the club? They need to be professionals who care about their own personal performances. All of this 'one of our own' bollocks. We are a League Two club club now and can't expect to get anywhere with ball playing centre backs and the likes of Rubén Lameiras. Get real.

ccfclinney · Feb 12, 2017

Slade never been the man for me.. we should of gone for uwe rosler even Caldwell would have been a better manager the blokes cluesless..
Why would you drop Kelly Evans and turnbull.. arguably our best players Tuesday when the team can't win in the league what do people have to do to start.
Even bigi.. people were raving about his performances at the start of the season.. he's a fit lad Who loves the club.. but start an unfit Gadshev in front of him?

Otis · Feb 12, 2017

Super Graham Withey said:
Totally disagree. We need a complete clear out and we need to bring lower league dogs who can tough it out at places like Hartlepool and Yeovil. Why do players need to care about the club? They need to be professionals who care about their own personal performances. All of this 'one of our own' bollocks. We are a League Two club club now and can't expect to get anywhere with ball playing centre backs and the likes of Rubén Lameiras. Get real.

Lower league dogs?

People like Clarke, who played at Colchester and Bury and Orient and Bradford? People like Foley who played at Charlton and Blackpool and Luton?

People like Sam Ricketts?

We've had allsorts. Experienced, older professionals, who should be leaders and warriors. The young kids coming through, the talented loan players.

This club has a losing mentality and has been wallowing in self pity for many years.

Super Graham Withey · Feb 12, 2017

Otis said:
Lower league dogs?

People like Clarke, who played at Colchester and Bury and Orient and Bradford? People like Foley who played at Charlton and Blackpool and Luton?

People like Sam Ricketts?

We've had allsorts. Experienced, older professionals, who should be leaders and warriors. The young kids coming through, the talented loan players.

This club has a losing mentality and has been wallowing in self pity for many years.

Lower league dogs with legs. Clarke, Foley and Ricketts are all in their early to mid thirties and past their best. Ask yourself why the likes of Rochdale and Fleetwood can do it and we can't.

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