Slade (2 Viewers)

lifeskyblue · Feb 12, 2017

Otis said:
Lower league dogs?

People like Clarke, who played at Colchester and Bury and Orient and Bradford? People like Foley who played at Charlton and Blackpool and Luton?

People like Sam Ricketts?

We've had allsorts. Experienced, older professionals, who should be leaders and warriors. The young kids coming through, the talented loan players.

This club has a losing mentality and has been wallowing in self pity for many years.

Yes a losing mentality that has been there for years. The exception was the first half of last season when there was a buzz around the place and we were winning playing the best football I have seen outside of the top flight. We had young 'non dogs' and they played as a team. They played for each other with enthusiasm and joy. I honestly think if reda had stayed for or if turner hadn't got injured and stayed with us a bit longer we would have maintained our form. I also believe that Kent returning to Liverpool knocked something out of the dressing room and Maddison's last minute Jan sale hit confidence.
After turner, Kent and Maddison I don't think the spirit of the team or TMs confidence in his ability were ever the same.

PUSB

Super Graham Withey · Feb 12, 2017

lifeskyblue said:
Yes a losing mentality that has been there for years. The exception was the first half of last season when there was a buzz around the place and we were winning playing the best football I have seen outside of the top flight. We had young 'non dogs' and they played as a team. They played for each other with enthusiasm and joy. I honestly think if reda had stayed for or if turner hadn't got injured and stayed with us a bit longer we would have maintained our form. I also believe that Kent returning to Liverpool knocked something out of the dressing room and Maddison's last minute Jan sale hit confidence.
After turner, Kent and Maddison I don't think the spirit of the team or TMs confidence in his ability were ever the same.

PUSB

You're right on the Maddison sale. It had a massive impact on TM.

Grendel · Feb 12, 2017

Otis said:
Nope.

See if he will walk away, as Mowbray did.

Get a manager in now for NEXT season. Tell him to focus on getting together a squad ready for next season.

My whole argument, Grendel, is that Slade isn't here past the summer.

If the board say the same to him, you're now building a squad for next season with you at the helm, then fine.

I just can't see the point of anyone being in charge who won't be in charge next season and is losing us every game every week.

As you say, we are all but relegated. Need to now plan for next season.

But on another thread you talk about new manager bounce and also appointing Ricketts till the end of the season

Do you honestly see any point in recruiting a manager now on a contract until next season. What if they lose the first 6 in charge? Fans will demand his sacking.

Grendel · Feb 12, 2017

Super Graham Withey said:
You're right on the Maddison sale. It had a massive impact on TM.

From beating gillingham to the day of selling Maddison we played 11 league games - and won 2

Super Graham Withey · Feb 12, 2017

Grendel said:
From beating gillingham to the day of selling Maddison we played 11 league games - and won 2

Fair enough. Do the stats on our record post the appointment of Chris Anderson. His other big gripe.

Super Graham Withey · Feb 12, 2017

Grendel said:
From beating gillingham to the day of selling Maddison we played 11 league games - and won 2

And do you honestly think the sale of Maddison just happened overnight? It must have been known that we prepared to sell at the right price.

stupot07 · Feb 12, 2017

I thought Slade would be the man to keep us up but he's been a disaster. At any other time o would be advocating him being sacked, but we are now all, bar mathematically, relegated. No point wasting money on paying him off or signing yakubu. I've like to see players like DKE, Harries, etc now given an extended run in the side and fisher et al, can start searching for next season.

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Otis · Feb 12, 2017

Grendel said:
But on another thread you talk about new manager bounce and also appointing Ricketts till the end of the season

Do you honestly see any point in recruiting a manager now on a contract until next season. What if they lose the first 6 in charge? Fans will demand his sacking.

I only talk about Ricketts because that is what I believe would happen, not what I would personally want to happen.

You have said yourself on many occasions that sacking managers has worked.

Otis · Feb 12, 2017

I have never been one to call for managers to be sacked early on.

All I can say and keep on saying, is that Slade is only here til the summer.

He is not going prepare us for next season is he. He is going to picks players for this season.
If DKE is here next season and Foley nor, I would rather see DKE played instead of Foley.

covcity4life · Feb 12, 2017

I just dint like the football. Just because we are lower league doesnt mean we have to play so ugly. At least wait till we get big men in upfront.

dongonzalos · Feb 12, 2017

I don't want Slade sacked because we can't just keep sacking managers it's absolutely ridiculous.
Unfortunately there are two constants. Joy Sepalla and more recently Tim Fisher. Until these people and their plan for our club go.
Then sacking managers is just putting a temporary plaster on. When you know no matter what you do the eniviatable will happen.
We need this to get to the point where the end comes sooner rather than later.
If they manage to keep the academy going our future is division 4 with an academy team as first team.
So like Stu says you may as well get them playing now.....

.........,,RCC/ Burge
DKE Willis Harries Haynes
.................Finch................
Spence...Stevenson....Jones
.................DKE.....................
................Thomas.................

dongonzalos · Feb 12, 2017

I am also highly suspicious that division 4 will give certain people better options at ground sharing whilst trying to breakeven

Skyblueweeman · Feb 12, 2017

Apologies if its already been posted elsewhere but I've just seen somewhere that Slade has only won 5 out of his last 51 league games as manager.

We're defo down.

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oucho · Feb 12, 2017

Otis said:
The players such as DKE and Harries, that Oucho has just listed, are the very players people on here were saying shouldn't have been dropped after Tuesday.

I didn't say they Slade was right to drop them, just that we shouldn't have relied on them and other youung players so much during the sesaon - I said in August our squad was far too thin and too reliant on young academy lads who ideally would have had another couple of years before becoming first team squad players.

Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
Slade has undoubtedly made us worse, brought in some fucking dreadful players and now we can't see where our next goal is coming from

Apart from the two we scored yesterday and the two on Tuesday?

oucho · Feb 12, 2017

Grendel said:
From beating gillingham to the day of selling Maddison we played 11 league games - and won 2

In fairness, Maddison stayed with us even though he was sold, I for one do not buy that his transfer to Norwich made much of a difference since he remained in our squad until May.

Skyblueweeman said:
Apologies if its already been posted elsewhere but I've just seen somewhere that Slade has only won 5 out of his last 51 league games as manager.

If that is true then that's absolutely shocking!

steve82 · Feb 12, 2017

ccfclinney said:
Slade never been the man for me.. we should of gone for uwe rosler even Caldwell would have been a better manager the blokes cluesless..
Why would you drop Kelly Evans and turnbull.. arguably our best players Tuesday when the team can't win in the league what do people have to do to start.
Even bigi.. people were raving about his performances at the start of the season.. he's a fit lad Who loves the club.. but start an unfit Gadshev in front of him?

Uwe rostler in was never a option, for several reasons including a big compensation fee and being at a well built steadily run club.
Gary Caldwell too, he's yet to taste victory too with his poor squad and no new manager bounce there having been beaten by Oldham and Northampton so there is nothing to suggest he'd be any different.
I honestly believe that no one could salvage anything more than what Slade has, without that natural goal scorer your up the creek without a paddle.
Too many problems lay deep within.

Captain Dart · Feb 12, 2017

Otis said:
And even though he WAS right, Venus should have never said publicly that these players were not good enough for League One.

That's why he will never be a manager in his own right.

Captain Dart · Feb 12, 2017

oucho said:
not according to the offal: Boardroom

The official site isn't updated that often.

Super Graham Withey · Feb 12, 2017

oucho said:
In fairness, Maddison stayed with us even though he was sold, I for one do not buy that his transfer to Norwich made much of a difference since he remained in our squad until May.
The message that the touting for sale of Maddison and subsequent non reinvestment of the sale proceeds in the playing squad gave TM was that the owners aren't really interested. Thanks TM for giving us a great season to date but we don't intend to back you. It was a message TM and the playing squad heard loud and clear. We has a chance to push on last season but the owners chose not to take it. I'll grant you that TM's transfer dealings in the summer were poor but in reality his race was run at this time last year. All of this is history now but the truth is with SISU we are going nowhere. TM has said some very complementary things about our support in the North East press since he has left us by the way. He is a genuine football man who feels for us.

If that is true then that's absolutely shocking!

no_loyalty · Feb 12, 2017

Slade needs a decent number 2 beside him, someone who can take the pressure off him a bit, it looks likely that Kevin Nugent turned down the opportunity in favour of staying as Karl Robinson's number 2 at Charlton

steve82 · Feb 12, 2017

no_loyalty said:
Slade needs a decent number 2 beside him, someone who can take the pressure off him a bit, it looks likely that Kevin Nugent turned down the opportunity in favour of staying as Karl Robinson's number 2 at Charlton

That's a interesting point, I thought he left Charlton and the local crap rag reported RS wanted him. Not heard any more.
I was under the assumption that RS had to make do with the backroom staff already here.

Coventry City boss Russell Slade to announce assistant manager
I suppose you could get from that... Ricketts was not yet ready and wants the job in the summer. MV and TF hoped RS would save us in his 6 months deal, RS would do his 6 months and run for the hills in the summer citing sisu and all issues arounding them.... ect.
Conclusion... Sam Ricketts appointed 1st team coach on 1st June.

Otis · Feb 12, 2017

covcity4life said:
I just dint like the football. Just because we are lower league doesnt mean we have to play so ugly. At least wait till we get big men in upfront.

Playing ugly is only fine if your re winning.

Losing ugly is the ultimate low.

lifeskyblue · Feb 12, 2017

I would put slade on gardening leave and either use ricketts or the u23 coach till end of season

PUSB

steve82 · Feb 12, 2017

lifeskyblue said:
I would put slade on gardening leave and either use ricketts or the u23 coach till end of season

PUSB

What makes you suggest that would fix anything tho? A change of playing style is all, fundamental issues are still there.
Bottom line is there not good enough.
I'd only suggest we did that IF ricketts was the man leading us in league 2 next year, something has to change tho.

Otis · Feb 12, 2017

Thing is, if we are going down we are going down.

Would guess now that well over 90% of us believe that, that is it and we are now down.

If we are going what is the point of just continuing the way we are.

Slade has inspired no-one. 8 league games, 0 victories.

What is the point keeping Slade if we are just going to keep losing every week and he is not here past May?

If we do accept we are down (another couple of defeats should pretty much do it, even though not mathematically), then I feel we should be looking towards some kids and those who are likely to still be here.

If we are down the players can play with little pressure. We are losing anyway. Just tell the kids to gain experience and don't worry about the results.

As I say, we are losing every game now anyway.

Give it a couple more defeats, get about 14 points or so behind and then try one or two of the youngsters and maybe swap Reid for Spence, play Kwame Thomas and DKE etc.

NortonSkyBlue · Feb 12, 2017

I can see an argument for parting company with Slade, his record is appalling and shows no sign of improving. Apart from Beavon his choices of transfers in are questionable and I can't see any point in keeping him.
But......what will be gained by him going? possibly we won't be playing so much in the air?
Its interesting reading that it was Kent and Maddison that played a part in the downturn in someones opinion.
Anderson is another who gets the finger pointed at him. I must admit I didn't see Anderson play, coach the team or pick the team so I can't comment. Something did change though in November/December and it wasn't positive, Armstrong and Murphy no longer played their A game and it wasn't until we were out of contention that they kicked back in( that goes for the whole team).
Mowbray, well enough said, it chipped away at him though whatever it was and his confidence was rock bottom. I reckon that this was the third or fourth time in his managerial career that before Christmas it was excellent and post Christmas was very poor and he didn't know what to do about it.

st john · Feb 12, 2017

no_loyalty said:
Slade needs a decent number 2 beside him, someone who can take the pressure off him a bit, it looks likely that Kevin Nugent turned down the opportunity in favour of staying as Karl Robinson's number 2 at Charlton

Or we could tell Slade now his contract won't be renewed, get a promising young assistant manager in with a view that he take over from Slade after the season ends. Slade could either accept it or go now. My guess is, he would agree to it. My preference would be a player manager currently in a higher league, nearing the end of his playing career.

steve82 · Feb 12, 2017

Otis said:
Thing is, if we are going down we are going down.

Would guess now that well over 90% of us believe that, that is it and we are now down.

If we are going what is the point of just continuing the way we are.

Slade has inspired no-one. 8 league games, 0 victories.

What is the point keeping Slade if we are just going to keep losing every week and he is not here past May?

If we do accept we are down (another couple of defeats should pretty much do it, even though not mathematically), then I feel we should be looking towards some kids and those who are likely to still be here.

If we are down the players can play with little pressure. We are losing anyway. Just tell the kids to gain experience and don't worry about the results.

As I say, we are losing every game now anyway.

Give it a couple more defeats, get about 14 points or so behind and then try one or two of the youngsters and maybe swap Reid for Spence, play Kwame Thomas and DKE etc.

st john said:
Or we could tell Slade now his contract won't be renewed, get a promising young assistant manager in with a view that he take over from Slade after the season ends. Slade could either accept it or go now. My guess is, he would agree to it. My preference would be a player manager currently in a higher league, nearing the end of his playing career.

I'm a optimistic person, Tuesday night is the very very last of the short straws left. After that we're very much league two.
I fear "the promising young manager" is already here in Ricketts.
Slades not been able to cut it here, so if ricketts is the man give it him now not later. Let him make mistakes this season not next.

rupert_bear · Feb 12, 2017

An ex well known City player said to me Russell Slade is a non league manager who got lucky at Leyton Orient but was soon found out, our players will know tha and a few hope to be signings have turned us down apparently.

Regarding Sam Ricketts, let's not slag him yet about becoming our next manager like many would be managers
of a division 4 club he is young and would be cutting his teeth as a manager, but let's be fair he's played at the top level, captained successful teams and an international and perhaps more importantly knows the club so if it happens let's not pre-judge and give him a fair chance.
Would I give it to him now no, once relegation becomes confirmed I would even if it was pre cup final and sod Slade, no room for sympathy in football

Irish Sky Blue · Feb 12, 2017

Otis said:
Oggy was also in charge at the academy and did a poor job there.

How was he poor? How do you measure this? I don't know where you would get the information from to say this.

lifeskyblue · Feb 12, 2017

steve82 said:
What makes you suggest that would fix anything tho? A change of playing style is all, fundamental issues are still there.
Bottom line is there not good enough.
I'd only suggest we did that IF ricketts was the man leading us in league 2 next year, something has to change tho.

I'm not suggesting it's a magic wand. But I am suggesting it's a change, may give us a bit of a bounce. The only certainty we have currently is relegation, possibly not winning another game, shipping 2+ goals per game and scoring less than 1.
Oh yes and a trip to Wembley. Thank goodness for small mercies.

PUSB

Irish Sky Blue · Feb 12, 2017

steve82 said:
That was a huge issue that could not be addressed. Was reported that all we were in for went else where hence why we ended up with Folivi
A major factor in this seasons demise, the league tells you you need goal scorers and your always likely to concede especially with young keepers and weak defence

If this is true, added to the ones that got away in the summer, doesn't this then come back to Sisu's door?

Otis · Feb 12, 2017

Irish Sky Blue said:
How was he poor? How do you measure this? I don't know where you would get the information from to say this. O

Insider info.

Otis · Feb 12, 2017

steve82 said:
I'm a optimistic person, Tuesday night is the very very last of the short straws left. After that we're very much league two.
I fear "the promising young manager" is already here in Ricketts.
Slades not been able to cut it here, so if ricketts is the man give it him now not later. Let him make mistakes this season not next.

Yes, exactly. We don't want next season to be the learning curve. Let it all start now.

Good call on the assistant thing. If Slade is definitely not going to be be here we could at least have an assistant working alongside him with a view to taking over.

Hardly going to upset the camp is it. We are already a mess and defeatist anyway.

st john · Feb 12, 2017

rupert_bear said:
An ex well known City player said to me Russell Slade is a non league manager who got lucky at Leyton Orient but was soon found out, our players well know that. Regarding Sam Ricketts, let's not slag him yet about becoming our next manager like many would be manager of a division 4 club he is young but let's be fair he's played at the top level, captained successful rams and an international and perhaps more importantly knows the club so if it happens let's not pre-judge and give him a fair chance.

Ricketts may well be lined up for the job, but I think player managers from a higher league can work well in L2, they can extend their playing carreer by a couple of years and cut their teeth on management. There must be quite a few premiership or championship players in their 30s who fancy a shot at management, who could also make a massive difference to us on the field in L2

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