So not a terrorist then (2 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Just a deeply confused man who wanted to take the lives of those around him

 

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[shmmeee]

Bit catch 22 innit? No sane person would be a terrorist. Especially a suicide attacker.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Is that why ISIS claimed responsiblity then?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Good question sky blue kid. No links whatsoever to them. Can't think why they'd claim credit though. Let me think

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Bit catch 22 innit? No sane person would be a terrorist. Especially a suicide attacker.

What is a terrorist?

 

[Nick]

Is this a random game show?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Is this a random game show?

No genuinely. What is a terrorist? I suppose someone who wants to cause terror. But that's not the reason the media use the term is it? Or is it?

The media coverage seems to have encouraged Isis to claim the attack. Seems strange

 

[Grendel]

No genuinely. What is a terrorist? I suppose someone who wants to cause terror. But that's not the reason the media use the term is it? Or is it?

The media coverage seems to have encouraged Isis to claim the attack. Seems strange

As other people are currently being held in custody can we confirm this is an individual acting alone? The person killed spent two years in Saudi so is it cut and dry?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

As other people are currently being held in custody can we confirm this is an individual acting alone? The person killed spent two years in Saudi so is it cut and dry?

Obviously we will never know the whole sorry story but it appears that there was no sort of recruitment to a particular group.

Just watched the last leg video - think it's a good take on it

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/news/a...dam-hills-london-westminster-attacks-message/

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Good question sky blue kid. No links whatsoever to them. Can't think why they'd claim credit though. Let me think

The guy was a nutter, and radicallised in jail, of course he was a terrorist!.

 

[clint van damme]

what about the coalition airstrike on Mosul which killed 150 civilians last week - was that an act of terror?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

what about the coalition airstrike on Mosul which killed 150 civilians last week - was that an act of terror?

Airstrike is being investigated so is not confirmed as the reason for civilian deaths. Some local eye witnesses say ISIS blew up a house where 150 people were hiding. This also has not been confirmed. Which do you believe?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

what about the coalition airstrike on Mosul which killed 150 civilians last week - was that an act of terror?

I think absolutely it was an act of terror

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The guy was a nutter, and radicallised in jail, of course he was a terrorist!.

How are you judging?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I think absolutely it was an act of terror

Bystanders in Mosul spoke of carnage in the immediate aftermath of the 17 March blast, with more than 50 bodies being dug out from beneath one home alone.


The World Health Organisation (WHO) has confirmed at least 100 deaths. Bashar al-Kiki, the head of the provincial council for Nineveh, of which Mosul is the capital, said "dozens" of bodies were still buried under rubble in the city.

Yet in its statement, the Iraqi military said just 61 people had been killed, contradicting those leading rescue efforts. It also cited witnesses saying that the building was booby-trapped and militants had forced residents inside basements to use them as shields.

Sources on the ground confirmed a sharp increase in the number of large car bombs being deployed by Isil in the battle for western Mosul.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

How are you judging?

The same way as you are... by reading and listening.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The same way as you are... by reading.

Sorry I mean more generally sbk. A Terrorist is someone that seeks to terrorise? So it's the motivation rather than the outcome?

Just trying to understand

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Sorry I mean more generally sbk. A Terrorist is someone that seeks to terrorise? So it's the motivation rather than the outcome?

Just trying to understand

Did you read my post #15?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Did you read my post #15?

About him being a nutter? Doesn't really abser it if so

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

About him being a nutter? Doesn't really abser it if so

My post #15.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

My post #15.

Sorry read it now - Ok and the answer to what is a terrorist? Cos I think you're saying it's the motivation but surely a death is a death is a death

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

My post #15.

Being "Radicallised in jail" should.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Where's the numbers?

Next to "Like and reply."

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

what about the coalition airstrike on Mosul which killed 150 civilians last week - was that an act of terror?

You were there watching the US and British Jets bombing civilians then?.... You saw first hand every one of those people being killed at the hands of the coalition?
You choose to blame it all on the coalition.... I'm sceptical about that, and tend to believe that there is always two sides to a coin.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Sorry read it now - Ok and the answer to what is a terrorist? Cos I think you're saying it's the motivation but surely a death is a death is a death

NOT if it's premeditated murder I don't!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

NOT if it's premeditated murder I don't!

Ok I agree with that pre-meditated acts that are done to murder and maim are acts of terror. So any pre meditated murder should really be referred to as a terrorist act.

Therefore, I suppose that where the aim is not to take life you could say it's not an act of terror.

It's probably far more nuanced than that especially where by using force or deadly weapons that it is clear your action will cause death or maiming despite this not being your aim.

I also suppose it's why it's important to have an agreement on what constitutes war. Although this probably works both ways.

You seem really angry sbk. We can have these discussions in our country it's ok

 

[fernandopartridge]

Terrorists aren't just those that are affiliated to a known group. What that scumbag did was an act of terror, he deliberately targeted innocent people.

It's unfortunate that innocent people can be caught up in attempts to target terrorists as happened in Mosul. What would your solution be, Pete?

 

[clint van damme]

You were there watching the US and British Jets bombing civilians then?.... You saw first hand every one of those people being killed at the hands of the coalition?
You choose to blame it all on the coalition.... I'm sceptical about that, and tend to believe that there is always two sides to a coin.

it's been acknowledged that it was coalition forces, that's why they suspended operations. I'm interested to hear what people think of that.

To me it's a symptom of an age old problem. Whether it's paramilitary groups, radicalised religious groups or state sponsored war, it's always the little people trying to go about their business who suffer.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Terrorists aren't just those that are affiliated to a known group. What that scumbag did was an act of terror, he deliberately targeted innocent people.

It's unfortunate that innocent people can be caught up in attempts to target terrorists as happened in Mosul. What would your solution be, Pete?

I'm sorry I'm just at the stage of understanding our corporate understanding. Solution to what? Terrorism? Human justice, repentance, forgiveness, reconciliation and peace is the only answer.

If you mean evil. The way of Jesus is the answer. Choosing to love not hate in the face of provocation is the way of transformation. An answer is found in the hearts of those that, when safe, they tried to save the life of the person that chose to take theirs

Sorry didn't mean preachy a shared humanity is the answer. Where one life means the same as another throughout the world.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Ok I agree with that pre-meditated acts that are done to murder and maim are acts of terror. So any pre meditated murder should really be referred to as a terrorist act.

Therefore, I suppose that where the aim is not to take life you could say it's not an act of terror.

It's probably far more nuanced than that especially where my using force or deadly weapons that it is clear your action will cause death or maiming despite this not being your aim.

I also suppose it's why it's important to have an agreement on what constitutes war. Although this probably works both ways.

You seem really angry sbk. We can have these discussions in our country it's ok

Not in the least bit angry SBP. Just disagree that people seem to think everything is Black or White.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Not in the least bit angry SBP. Just disagree that people seem to think everything is Black or White.

Brill I am too.

 

[clint van damme]

Not in the least bit angry SBP. Just disagree that people seem to think everything is Black or White.

it's certainly true that everything isn't black or white.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

it's been acknowledged that it was coalition forces, that's why they suspended operations. I'm interested to hear what people think of that.

To me it's a symptom of an age old problem. Whether it's paramilitary groups, radicalised religious groups or state sponsored war, it's always the little people trying to go about their business who suffer.

I think you should read my post #15 as well mate Raids have been suspended whilst investigations are carried out. At no point do coalition forces accept any responsibilties. A bit of a "Witch Hunt" is what I'm seeing here.

 

[clint van damme]

I think you should read my post #15 as well mate Raids have been suspended whilst investigations are carried out. At no point do coalition forces accept any responsibilties. A bit of a "Witch Hunt" is what I'm seeing here.

to be honest my point still stands, if you're a normal citizen going trying to go about your lawful business and you're caught up in an act of violence such as this then to me you're going to see it an act of terror whoever the perpetrator or whatever the justification.
No need for a witch hunt, our foreign policy has been a disaster which has lead to the deaths of millions of citizens.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

to be honest my point still stands, if you're a normal citizen going trying to go about your lawful business and you're caught up in an act of violence such as this then to me you're going to see it an act of terror whoever the perpetrator or whatever the justification.
No need for a witch hunt, our foreign policy has been a disaster which has lead to the deaths of millions of citizens.

You mean "Guilty till proven innocent"..... I wonder..What is the ISIS foreign policy:jawdrop: