So the SB trust want administration (2 Viewers)

[nobbynutkins]

The programme was at fault - not the trust here. They should have been reported as XYZ - Coventry City Supporter as opposed to XYZ Trust member etc and something they would not have had control of.


Naturally I disagreed with their view, but they are entitked to hold that opinion and it's getting the word out there into the public and any vehicle that can be used to highlight our plight in the media is a good thing.

It would have been nice to see a cross-section of opinion in the interest of balance to have seen both sides represented, but with such a limited sample of fans that is always likely to happen.

I agree with that.

It would be interesting to know if the BBC requested that all the members who were interviewed had to go along with the 'we'll do anything to get rid of the owners/it's time for the owners to go' stance.

Was there not room for an SBT member who doesn't think that? I think that would have made for a more balanced representation of both the Trust (which purports not to be exclusively anti-SISU) and the issue as a whole.

 

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[italiahorse]

I agree with that.

It would be interesting to know if the BBC requested that all the members who were interviewed had to go along with the 'we'll do anything to get rid of the owners/it's time for the owners to go' stance.

Was there not room for an SBT member who doesn't think that? I think that would have made for a more balanced representation of both the Trust (which purports not to be exclusively anti-SISU) and the issue as a whole.

Exactly

It's more newsworthy that the "club is doomed" than "normal business".

 

[Black6Osprey]

Basically then there is people on here who will only support a group designed to protect ccfc fans interest if all members have exactly the same personal opinions as them.

As far as I've seen the trust hasn't said anything about admin. Its members have only expressed a personal opinion (which I happen to agree with). Even a moron can distinguish between a personal opinion and an organisational policy.

The point is though that they claim to be impartial and want to work with the owners whoever that is. But the overriding impression was they welcomed admin/pts deduction as long it gets rid of SISU.

I'm also not particularly happy to be represented as a supporter of CCFC by a group of middle aged men who need to get the next size up in football shirts next time they are on the TV.

 

[Nick]

Just watched it, each person was introduced as trust member / trust secretary before saying how much they want SISU to go. Surely Jan / Moz and Gary were approached to go on because they were in the trust.

Have to admit the way it comes across is that everybody wants SISU out and led by what the trust things.

 

[crowsnest]

They might want to check the Trusts rules:

Only persons authorised by the Society Board may act as spokespersons for the Society. Society Board Members who are not authorised as spokespersons have a duty to ensure that their public statements (including on electronic media) do not conflict with the policy agreed by the Society Board.

 

[JimmyHillsbeard]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qcpcv

MOZ: I think something has to give. if that's administration then so be it. I think, speaking to the fans, they would be prepared, even welcome, administration and the points deduction that came with it.

JAN: (Q Is it time for SISU to go?) I think so yes. Sisu has been here for 5 seasons and in that time we've had relegation, we've had court cases, and we've now got administration, we've had transfer embargoes. We're all just fed with it, we want a new start, new owners and a new future.

GARY: I think the relationship between the fans and the owners, SiSU, disappeared about 3 years ago to be honest. We've had enough. I's as simple as that.... We can't focus on the football.

SIMON: We would be willing to take the 10 point deduction of administration just to get some resolution out of the situation.


Strikes me that even if you agree with every word that these four representatives have to say, the Trust can no longer claim to be independent or impartial.

 

[MichaelCCFC]

Everyone on here has their own view. Some people think sisu are great or at least the best current option. Some people have 'sisu out' sign offs. Some think acl are 100% in the right. Some people have gone so far as to say we would be better off going into liquidation. And everyone has their view about the Trust. There are only so many times Jan or others can repeat the first couple of posts he made re LKO. People invariably interpret new facts so as to fit their currently held views. That's exactly what is happening here with people who for whatever reason don't like the Trust/don't thnk fans can make a difference/etc - on the other hand, the number of people willing to chuck in a quid and see if there is a chance of a supporters' group helping move CCFC in a positive direction is well over 1200 now and increasing by the hour. PUSB!

 

[Nick]

Everyone on here has their own view. Some people think sisu are great or at least the best current option. Some people have 'sisu out' sign offs. Some think acl are 100% in the right. Some people have gone so far as to say we would be better off going into liquidation. And everyone has their view about the Trust. There are only so many times Jan or others can repeat the first couple of posts he made re LKO. People invariably interpret new facts so as to fit their currently held views. That's exactly what is happening here with people who for whatever reason don't like the Trust/don't thnk fans can make a difference/etc - on the other hand, the number of people willing to chuck in a quid and see if there is a chance of a supporters' group helping move CCFC in a positive direction is well over 1200 now and increasing by the hour. PUSB!

I have no problem with Jan or the trust I am just saying how it came across and it was quite clearly SISU out from people who run the trust...

Are you going to get the numbers of members in every post? Sounds like Gaunt and twitter followers.

 

[MichaelCCFC]

3 managers plus 2 caretakers in one season, transfer emargo, rent dispute, don't own our own stadium, £40-50million in debt, third tier football for the first time in over 40 years, ricoh two thirds empty. I guess some journos might not be entirely persuaded it's business as normal!

 

[Steve.B50]

I did not see this last night but regardless, my view is take the 10 points get SISU out.

 

[gary_ccfcforever]

having been asked those questions what would you have said? The fact is, under SISU this club has lurched from disaster to disaster. I'm a city fan through and through and i want what is best for the club, so yes judging by the last 5 years my opinion is that is not SISU. Am i supposed to say no.. the fans are happy, have a great relationship with the owners and everything is dandy?

By the way we had no input into the questions asked, Laura and the team had those lined up already. All i have done is given my honest assesment of the situation.

We spoke to many fans on saturday and the overriding feeling was that whilst administration is not a good thing and lets be clear, if it can be avoided obviously we would prefer it, but opinion was that if it meant the end of SISU fans would accept it.

 

[rob9872]

I think you're supposed to say I as opposed to we

 

[Nick]

having been asked those questions what would you have said? The fact is, under SISU this club has lurched from disaster to disaster. I'm a city fan through and through and i want what is best for the club, so yes judging by the last 5 years my opinion is that is not SISU. Am i supposed to say no.. the fans are happy, have a great relationship with the owners and everything is dandy?

By the way we had no input into the questions asked, Laura and the team had those lined up already. All i have done is given my honest assesment of the situation.

We spoke to many fans on saturday and the overriding feeling was that whilst administration is not a good thing and lets be clear, if it can be avoided obviously we would prefer it, but opinion was that if it meant the end of SISU fans would accept it.

That again makes it look like it is from the Trust as you are saying we would and that it is fans opinion.

Am i supposed to say no.. the fans are happy, have a great relationship with the owners and everything is dandy?

Not really, if you are answering as yourself and not the trust then you don't answer on behalf of the fans so you don't mention what the fans want, you say what you want.

 

[LarryGrayson]

having been asked those questions what would you have said? The fact is, under SISU this club has lurched from disaster to disaster. I'm a city fan through and through

gone on just as a city fan and not a member of the sky blue trust if you were gonna give your own personable views

 

[JimmyHillsbeard]

having been asked those questions what would you have said? The fact is, under SISU this club has lurched from disaster to disaster. I'm a city fan through and through and i want what is best for the club, so yes judging by the last 5 years my opinion is that is not SISU. Am i supposed to say no.. the fans are happy, have a great relationship with the owners and everything is dandy?

By the way we had no input into the questions asked, Laura and the team had those lined up already. All i have done is given my honest assesment of the situation.

We spoke to many fans on saturday and the overriding feeling was that whilst administration is not a good thing and lets be clear, if it can be avoided obviously we would prefer it, but opinion was that if it meant the end of SISU fans would accept it.

Appreciate all of this but I bet they had a pretty firm idea of the answers they were going to get too.

A week ago the Trust was pressing an impartial line. A line that has been repeated in emails today. Six days ago the trust was calling on all sides to come to their senses
http://www.coventryobserver.co.uk/2...s-for-resolution-in-Ricoh-rent-row-65453.html

Yesterday you said the fans haven't trusted the board for 3 years which begs the question whether the six day old stance was ever feasible. Another representative of the Trust when offered the chance to talk about a more peaceful resloution by the interviewer said that the best resolution was administration and a 10 point deduction.

 

[nobbynutkins]

Everyone on here has their own view. Some people think sisu are great or at least the best current option. Some people have 'sisu out' sign offs. Some think acl are 100% in the right. Some people have gone so far as to say we would be better off going into liquidation. And everyone has their view about the Trust. There are only so many times Jan or others can repeat the first couple of posts he made re LKO. People invariably interpret new facts so as to fit their currently held views. That's exactly what is happening here with people who for whatever reason don't like the Trust/don't thnk fans can make a difference/etc - on the other hand, the number of people willing to chuck in a quid and see if there is a chance of a supporters' group helping move CCFC in a positive direction is well over 1200 now and increasing by the hour. PUSB!

Hi Michael,

I'm not sure the debate here is about whether people like or dislike the trust. I think some people are simply saying that the views expressed on LKO – which can reasonably be summarized as 'SISU should do one' – don't necessarily reflect the views of the fanbase as a whole or (probably) even the views of the Trust's entire membership.

I appreciate that it's very difficult to communicate a nuanced message, reflecting a huge spectrum of opinion, in the amount of time the guys were given, but it seems like there was hardly even a token effort towards reflecting that diversity. Maybe this issue would be put to bed if there was an acknowledgment of that?

Cheers!

 

[gary_ccfcforever]

when i say we i mean the 4 of us that were interviewed.

 

[Flying Fokker]

having been asked those questions what would you have said? The fact is, under SISU this club has lurched from disaster to disaster. I'm a city fan through and through and i want what is best for the club, so yes judging by the last 5 years my opinion is that is not SISU. Am i supposed to say no.. the fans are happy, have a great relationship with the owners and everything is dandy?

By the way we had no input into the questions asked, Laura and the team had those lined up already. All i have done is given my honest assesment of the situation.

We spoke to many fans on saturday and the overriding feeling was that whilst administration is not a good thing and lets be clear, if it can be avoided obviously we would prefer it, but opinion was that if it meant the end of SISU fans would accept it.

Some people just don't get that the majority of fans feel this way. I think your comments sum up my stance.

 

[Nick]

Some people just don't get that the majority of fans feel this way. I think your comments sum up my stance.

What about the fans who just want to go and watch football on Saturday afternoons? I reckon they are the majority!

 

[gary_ccfcforever]

Laura's question was asking me what i thought Nick. so i answered it with what i thought. what else am i supposed to do?

the majority of the people i speak to have had enough and want this whole thing to end one way or another. you are honestly telling me the fans trust the owners???

 

[Nick]

Laura's question was asking me what i thought Nick. so i answered it with what i thought. what else am i supposed to do?

the majority of the people i speak to have had enough and want this whole thing to end one way or another. you are honestly telling me the fans trust the owners???

I am not saying it isn't, I am just saying WHY people think it is a view of the Sky Blues Trust.....

 

[torchomatic]

Surely, it's not difficult to add the words "personally speaking" when answering a question?

 

[Flying Fokker]

Personally speaking you could be right.

 

[procdoc]

Surely, it's not difficult to add the words "personally speaking" when answering a question?

I actually agree Torch. Also can I ask why is there such a high level of secrecy about these rumoured interested parties? If you know something why not share it with your fellow CCFC fans?

 

[Otis]

Surely, it's not difficult to add the words "personally speaking" when answering a question?

And that is exactly what they should have done.

It's just 4 blokes from SBT who think admin is the way to go. It is not the standpoint of the SBT.

 

[Nick]

Yes but unless you go to the meetings or spend hours reading meeting minutes how would you know that wasn't the standpoint of it after watching LKO?

 

[LarryGrayson]

they cud have said they werent doin it unles they were called city fans and not reps of the skybluetrust but then the beeb woldnt want em on there in the first place so they new they were there becos of the skybluetrust not becos they were city fans

 

[rupert_bear]

Why don't those on here who want SISU to remain ask in the interest of balance to be inteviewed on TV too to put their reasons and points of view for all to hear

 

[SkyBlueSwiss]

Surely, it's not difficult to add the words "personally speaking" when answering a question?

What he said ^^
If more people would use "personally speaking" or "in my opinio" instead of stating things as facts all the time, we would all get on a bit better.

 

[Jack Griffin]

What he said ^^
If more people would use "personally speaking" or "in my opinio" instead of stating things as facts all the time, we would all get on a bit better.

Fact!

 

[Godiva]

Also can I ask why is there such a high level of secrecy about these rumoured interested parties? If you know something why not share it with your fellow CCFC fans?

Just because the Trust and the Trust management is demanding transparency and openness from the club, it doesn't mean ....

 

[torchomatic]

Just watched it and I have to say it certainly came across that the Trust's standpoint is "Administration? So be it" which totally contradicts their earlier stance of wanting both sides to come to a resolution. Shame really as any outsider will come to the conclusion that Coventry City fans want administration. Obviously some do, but I would imagine a lot don't.

Great publicity but a wasted opportunity, I feel.

 

[italiahorse]

And that is exactly what they should have done.

It's just 4 blokes from SBT who think admin is the way to go. It is not the standpoint of the SBT.

No they (we) should be in a position to say that they represent the Trust. That they want the best for the club and they are the conduit for any negotiations that parties should go to if they want fans views and opinions.
That will give the fans a foot in the door. I guess now the door is closed as everyone who saw the programme thinks that is the fans view.