Songs We No Longer Sing (2 Viewers)

[TwistAndShoutCCFC1987]

No other club, fans, have killed so many people at two football matches.

What the actual fuck are you on about? In one of them 97 people were unlawfully killed, and definitely not by the other fans. In the other one, 39 fans were killed, due to the stupid actions of a small minority of liverpool fans, I’ll give you that. But why so many people let their bizarre prejudice against people from an area of the same part of the country as them (who happen to be the most genuine, kind people you could meet on the most part by the way) convince themselves 97 people dying at a football match isn’t a tragedy and was somehow their own fault I will never understand

 

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[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

What the actual fuck are you on about? In one of them 97 people were unlawfully killed, and definitely not by the other fans. In the other one, 39 fans were killed, due to the stupid actions of a small minority of liverpool fans, I’ll give you that. But why so many people let their bizarre prejudice against people from an area of the same part of the country as them (who happen to be the most genuine, kind people you could meet on the most part by the way) convince themselves 97 people dying at a football match isn’t a tragedy and was somehow their own fault I will never understand

I'll give you that, the majority of the people in the Liverpool are kind and genuine, but I'm talking about the hooligans that support Liverpool FC, I and others on this forum have experienced the hooligans and the violence that they have caused over many years.

It's sad to say that when Hillsborough happened in 89 it didn't surprise me one bit, those POOR SOULS that lost their lives because of the overcrowding in that terrace.

And why was there overcrowding, because of the stupidity of the police opening them gates and the Liverpool fans cramming into one area, ask yourself, why did the police open them gates?

Yes you're right about one thing, definitely not by other fans.

I speak from experience about that terracing at Hillsborough two years prior in 87, we were allocated that end, myself, my brother and a friend had tickets for that terrace and as we walk through that tunnel and got to the end of the tunnel, I said oh my god, this is an accident just waiting to happen, so we immediately turn around and went back out of the terrace and stood high in the terracing by the corner flag, which is separate terracing from beyond the goal.

Ask ask yourself this, why was there no deaths that year?

 

[TwistAndShoutCCFC1987]

I speak from experience about that terracing at Hillsborough two years prior in 87, we were allocated that end, myself, my brother and a friend had tickets for that terrace and as we walk through that tunnel and got to the end of the tunnel, I said oh my god, this is an accident just waiting to happen, so we immediately turn around and went back out of the terrace and stood high in the terracing by the corner flag, which is separate terracing from beyond the goal.

Ask ask yourself this, why was there no deaths that year?

On the point in the first para above I believe there were so many people going through the central tunnel once they opened the gate that it wasn’t possible for people to turn around once they went in.

On the second point I have seen many cov fans say that it was purely lucky that day wasn’t the day that people died. Moreover, it sort of takes away from your earlier niceities in my opinion. I believe you are implying that some of the liverpool fans were feral and were trying to storm the turnstiles and that this caused the disaster. It was proved by a public inquiry that all the people who died were in possession of tickets, and was proved also that there wasn’t by any means a large amount of ticketless or drunk fans in the end in general.
On the point, why did noone die in 87, it’s also more to do with the fact that the police commander had taken games at hillsborough before and knew what he was doing, if you watch documentaries on the disaster a lot of caused it was the incompetencies of the police and this commander in particular. The fact he hasn’t been prosecuted is a disgrace to be honest.

My dad and granddad were there that day, and I was born and grew up in liverpool myself, which is why it pisses me off to no end when anyone, but particularly fellow cov fans, make comments like made above about “dirty scouse bastards”, especially in relation to hillsborough, a true tragedy

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

On the point in the first para above I believe there were so many people going through the central tunnel once they opened the gate that it wasn’t possible for people to turn around once they went in.

Firstly for the record it's an absolute tragedy what happened that day, those POOR SOULS who were crushed against the high wall and fencing, they were the ones who got there early.

Those who came later, why didn't they form an orderly queue and go through the turnstiles ?

Those in the tunnel, you said, couldn't turn round, no, but they could've stopped pushing, that's what caused the crushing isn't it ?

I noticed you never responded to my point " why did the Police open them gates "


I'm not trying to open old wounds I'm just looking at it from a neutral perspective of what happened that day.

 

[TwistAndShoutCCFC1987]

Those who came later, why didn't they form an orderly queue and go through the turnstiles ?

Those in the tunnel, you said, couldn't turn round, no, but they could've stopped pushing, that's what caused the crushing isn't it ?

I noticed you never responded to my point " why did the Police open them gates "


I'm not trying to open old wounds I'm just looking at it from a neutral perspective of what happened that day.

Mate you don’t seem like a bad fella or actively trying to be disrespectful or anything so I’d just like to politely request you to watch this video and say that a neutral perspective of what happened that day was provided by a literal public enquiry

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Mate you don’t seem like a bad fella or actively trying to be disrespectful or anything so I’d just like to politely request you to watch this video and say that a neutral perspective of what happened that day was provided by a literal public enquiry

On the CCTV footage you can quite clearly see the Liverpool fans pouring through the gates.

Did the Police ever say WHY they opened the gates?

You say you originated from Liverpool and have family members living in Liverpool, may I respectfully suggest it's your loyalty to the Liverpool fans that's blinding your judgment.

Out of respect I will leave it there.

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

 

[Para1140]

David O’Day used to sing this one all the time

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Exactly.
Imagine the outcry and the injustice if it was another team that had done it.
They cry kick and scream about Hillsborough yet did the same at Hysel and never mention it.
Dirty scouse bast@rds.......

Hysel gets swept under the carpet. Never mentioned. For the Juventus supporters it's a tragedy as poignant as Hillsborough was to Liverpool supporters .

 

[Sick Boy]

"sign him up" about loan players.

Whenever I hear that I think of Lee Mills.

 

[Sick Boy]

David O’Day used to sing this one all the time

I’m more of a Men Behind the Wire man myself.

 

[TwistAndShoutCCFC1987]

On the CCTV footage you can quite clearly see the Liverpool fans pouring through the gates.

Did the Police ever say WHY they opened the gates?

You say you originated from Liverpool and have family members living in Liverpool, may I respectfully suggest it's your loyalty to the Liverpool fans that's blinding your judgment.

Out of respect I will leave it there.

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

The reason they opened the gate was because there was overcrowding outside the turnstiles and there were fears somebody would be crushed outside of the gate never mind inside because the police didn’t put the required queuing and staggering of the crowds in place as they normally would in the narrow bottleneck of the Leppings lane end, as the video explains. The police caused the issue and then opened the gate without dealing with where the people went once they got in and then covered up the fact they did this.
Anyway merry christmas to you and your family too

 

[LastGarrison]

Hark now hear
The City sing
The Leicester ran away….

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Hysel gets swept under the carpet. Never mentioned. For the Juventus supporters it's a tragedy as poignant as Hillsborough was to Liverpool supporters .

Exactly that.