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Grendel · Thursday at 10:10 AM

Interesting article (though I’m sure Douglas Murray’s name alone is enough for some) and it highlights the sinister nature of this group

The sinister tactics of Hope Not Hate

Of all the blights on our politics, there are few more tedious than the left-wing campaign group that masquerades behind some poorly constructed frontispiece. The Resolution Foundation – run by the gloriously named Torsten Bell – is a fine example. Torsten allows his publishers to call his...

www.spectator.co.uk

Captain Dart · Friday at 1:22 PM

Grendel said:
Interesting article (though I’m sure Douglas Murray’s name alone is enough for some) and it highlights the sinister nature of this group

The sinister tactics of Hope Not Hate

Of all the blights on our politics, there are few more tedious than the left-wing campaign group that masquerades behind some poorly constructed frontispiece. The Resolution Foundation – run by the gloriously named Torsten Bell – is a fine example. Torsten allows his publishers to call his...

www.spectator.co.uk

Not a bad article, Murray is clever though he is totally blind when it comes to any crime or atrocity committed by Israel.

Torsten Bell by the way is the brains behind the infamous Edstone has just been appointed to be a pensions minister. He has previously talked about removing the pensions triple lock a mechanism brought in with the stated intention of bringing UK state pensions more into line with European pensions (although with sleight of hand at the same time the state 2nd pension was canned and replaced by employee plus employers contributions into market funds which it's necessary to opt in to & I know people on the lower end of the salary scales saw this as a wage cut and as a luxury they could not afford, so they'll end up with no private pension whatever).

Bell is I think no longer with the Resolution Foundation but I'm sure it still reflects his high tax philosophy.

Nick · Monday at 12:53 PM

Pled guilty at the last minute

Gynnsthetonic · Monday at 1:07 PM

Probably be out in 15 years with a new identity paid for by stupid us, it's going to cost 10s of millions to keep him locked up. Zip him in a bag and chuck him out to sea I say!

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 1:19 PM

Gynnsthetonic said:
Probably be out in 15 years with a new identity paid for by stupid us, it's going to cost 10s of millions to keep him locked up. Zip him in a bag and chuck him out to sea I say!

No chance
Life with parole set at 40 years but more likely a whole life term
The crime is unconscionable

Nick · Monday at 1:21 PM

Sky Blue Pete said:
No chance
Life with parole set at 40 years but more likely a whole life term
The crime is unconscionable

If it's a whole life term, may as well just hang him. Free up a prison space and loads of money that will be spent on protecting him.

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 1:23 PM

Twitter will be going mad that he’s been promised something in order for none of the details to come out about how starmer convinced him to become a Muslim and encouraged him to attack children to take the msm attention away from how poorly wfa had gone down with voters

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 1:23 PM

Nick said:
If it's a whole life term, may as well just hang him. Free up a prison space and loads of money that will be spent on protecting him.

Says more about us than him then

Nick · Monday at 1:36 PM

Sky Blue Pete said:
Says more about us than him then

I mean, he's killed 3 kids and tried to kill more and was planning terror attacks with ricin. I'm sure you giving him a cuddle will fix it.

SkyBlueCharlie9 · Monday at 2:17 PM

Nick said:
I still don't get how the "Hope Not Hate" people have got away with posting false things to stir things up?

Did it lead directly to violent attacks on the public, on the Police/Paramedics and their vehicles and did it cost millions of pounds for the police and NHS?

Nick · Monday at 2:29 PM

SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
Did it lead directly to violent attacks on the public, on the Police/Paramedics and their vehicles and did it cost millions of pounds for the police and NHS?

Well yeah although not sure about millions.

shmmeee · Monday at 2:36 PM

Nick said:
Well yeah although not sure about millions.

Policing riots cost £31.7m and bots ‘turbo-charged’ misinformation, chiefs reveal

The police officer in charge of UK counter-terrorism warned it is ‘deeply unhelpful’ for commentators to suggest ‘conspiracy and cover up’ during ongoing court proceedings

www.independent.co.uk

Nick · Monday at 2:38 PM

shmmeee said:
Policing riots cost £31.7m and bots ‘turbo-charged’ misinformation, chiefs reveal

The police officer in charge of UK counter-terrorism warned it is ‘deeply unhelpful’ for commentators to suggest ‘conspiracy and cover up’ during ongoing court proceedings

www.independent.co.uk

Now read what I was replying to.

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 2:46 PM

Nick said:
I mean, he's killed 3 kids and tried to kill more and was planning terror attacks with ricin. I'm sure you giving him a cuddle will fix it.

Not intending to cuddle him
Just not murder him

Nick · Monday at 2:52 PM

Sky Blue Pete said:
Not intending to cuddle him
Just not murder him

What's the point in him if he's never ever going to be released, then?

shmmeee · Monday at 2:53 PM

Nick said:
Now read what I was replying to.

I did. I thought you were saying you doubted the riot policing cost millions. My mistake if not.

Nick · Monday at 2:55 PM

shmmeee said:
I did. I thought you were saying you doubted the riot policing cost millions. My mistake if not.

No, I'm saying the result of the hope not hate stirring.

I can't say if it cost millions but then again you had all of the big arranged counter protests where the "edl" were meant to be so yeah, them posting shite probably did go into the millions for policing too.

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 2:56 PM

Nick said:
What's the point in him if he's never ever going to be released, then?

That’s for him to decide I would think

Nick · Monday at 2:57 PM

Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s for him to decide I would think

I don't think he should be in a position to decide anything.

Let's face it, he is going to need a new identity and will be kept under protection.

What's the point?

Nick · Monday at 3:10 PM

So he was known to the services?

Wasn't that one of the things apparently made up?

shmmeee · Monday at 3:12 PM

Nick said:
So he was known to the services?

Doesnt mean much. 7000 people a year are referred to Prevent. Can’t watch them all.

rob9872 · Monday at 3:12 PM

Don't need the state to murder him, just spend zero protecting him. Same with nonces really, just put them on the main wings among other prisoners and let nature take its course.

rob9872 · Monday at 3:14 PM

shmmeee said:
Doesnt mean much. 7000 people a year are referred to Prevent. Can’t watch them all.

If that's true then what's the point of a referral?

shmmeee · Monday at 3:15 PM

rob9872 said:
If that's true then what's the point of a referral?

Investigate them, give them a course on not being a terrorist. It doesn’t mean you get your own personal spook 24/7

Nick · Monday at 3:15 PM

shmmeee said:
Doesnt mean much. 7000 people a year are referred to Prevent. Can’t watch them all.

It means he was known to the authorities. (Which was apparently also made up).

The new mug shot looks a lot different to the one rammed down people's throats as well.

Nick · Monday at 3:16 PM

rob9872 said:
Don't need the state to murder him, just spend zero protecting him. Same with nonces really, just put them on the main wings among other prisoners and let nature take its course.

If only.

shmmeee · Monday at 3:19 PM

Nick said:
It means he was known to the authorities. (Which was apparently also made up).

The new mug shot looks a lot different to the one rammed down people's throats as well.

Really not sure how you come out of this angrier at …. Someone? Than the guy who stabbed a bunch of kids, but good job I guess?

Everyone is known to the authorities, that’s what birth certificates are. A prevent referrals usually doesn’t go anywhere and doesn’t mean you’re on a watchlist.

Did he go past the Channel Panel? If not then that would have been the end of it.

Nick · Monday at 3:20 PM

shmmeee said:
Really not sure how you come out of this angrier at …. Someone? Than the guy who stabbed a bunch of kids, but good job I guess?

Everyone is known to the authorities, that’s what birth certificates are. A prevent referrals usually doesn’t go anywhere and doesn’t mean you’re on a watchlist.

Did he go past the Channel Panel? If not then that would have been the end of it.

What are you on about now?

Are you having a thick day or intentionally trying not to grasp things?

rob9872 · Monday at 3:21 PM

Well if he was on their radar and had been properly investigated, I'm not sure the Welsh choirboy image was the right one to share. In fact it's that kind of nonsense where they try to portray something everyone knows is wrong, that adds fuel to the hatred. Hopefully lessons will be learned there too and misinformation that sparked the riots, should also be aligned with purposeful misinformation from authorities.

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 3:21 PM

Nick said:
I don't think he should be in a position to decide anything.

Let's face it, he is going to need a new identity and will be kept under protection.

What's the point?

I’m meaning he’s locked away for the rest of his life he decides what that means

shmmeee · Monday at 3:22 PM

Nick said:
What are you on about now?

Are you having a thick day or intentionally trying not to grasp things?

I’m trying to explain to you what Prevent is and that a Prevent referral doesn’t mean he was “known to the authorities”. But you’re desperate to stay angry at something and defend a bunch of racist rioters for some reason.

Nick · Monday at 3:22 PM

rob9872 said:
Well if he was on their radar and had been properly investigated, I'm not sure the Welsh choirboy image was the right one to share. In fact it's that kind of nonsense where they try to portray something everyone knows is wrong, that adds fuel to the hatred. Hopefully lessons will be learned there too and misinformation that sparked the riots, should also be aligned with purposeful misinformation from authorities.

Especially when people who went to school with him were saying he was completely different to the image pushed... Turns out that was correct too.

Think the whole thing (riots) could have been completely different if it was handled differently from the start.

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 3:23 PM

Nick said:
So he was known to the services?

Wasn't that one of the things apparently made up?

And on starmer again I’m sure

Nick · Monday at 3:23 PM

shmmeee said:
I’m trying to explain to you what Prevent is and that a Prevent referral doesn’t mean he was “known to the authorities”. But you’re desperate to stay angry at something and defend a bunch of racist rioters for some reason.

Why are you making stuff up again? It's constant.

shmmeee · Monday at 3:23 PM

Nick said:
Especially when people who went to school with him were saying he was completely different to the image pushed... Turns out that was correct too.

Think the whole thing (riots) could have been completely different if it was handled differently from the start.

What “image pushed” what are you on about? You see conspiracy around every corner. Who do you think was doing the pushing? The government? How? Why?

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