Was it? He was convicted of encouraging violent disorder and criminal damage, he wasn't sent down for "misinformation".
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Sky Blue Pete
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MaybeTo be fair, he should have done it in the name of Islam and encouraged people to carry out terror offences and he would have got less:
Birmingham Daesh supporter convicted of terror offences following friend's prison sentence
A 19-year-old man from Birmingham has today been found guilty of terrorism offences following a trial at Birmingham Crown Court.www.counterterrorism.police.uk
I’m content that strong and quick action is necessary to ensure rioting is quelled but as I say I’m deeply uncomfortable with words leading to prison (there’s obvious exceptions) and also shaken baby convictions and victims word against alleged perpetrators in historic sex cases
Not where it’s lots of victims but when it’s one word against another as I think long term memory is deeply flawed
This is nonsense - everything that is "part of" a crime isn't a crime in itself.
I assume you're suggesting Hope Not Hate should be prosecuted for spreading misinformation - good luck proving that they were encouraging violent disorder and criminal damage.
Do you ever get tired running all this interference and whataboutism any time someone gets convicted after attending or organising a far-right racist protest?
Yes - "whataboutism" in other words"Running all this interference"
You asked if I thought his prison sentence was fair, you got an answer with other crimes that got the same or less.
I clearly said he deserved prison but wasn't sure about the length of sentence.
Your consistency in standing up for him, and those who share his views, is well noted
rob9872
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In fairness they arguably did encourage the mob to mentality to protect when they said the far right grouping in Birmingham. If you remember it was outside that pub and the idiot that came out got beaten up by herd mentality. Surely their actions incited that in the same way this guy suggesting mobbing up outside the hotel.
You would have to prove that Hope Not Hate deliberately spread misinformation with the intention of creating violent disorder - no-one could argue that with a straight face.
SkyBlueCharlie9
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You can't easily compare offences and sentences anecdotally Nick based on simple reports in crappy rags... have you knowledge or experience of the Britch legal system? Have you read the statements or proof's of evidence in any of these cases? The context of inciting national riots and civil unrest causing physical harm to the police and emergency services at the time significantly raises the bar of sentences automatically. I think this is correct and would like to think Conservative & Unionist would have taken same stance. That said there are some shitty judges out there that perhaps the Conservative & Unionist party should have reviewed at during their 14 years in power, if they could have been ar$ed? Of course anyone involved in serious crimes like terror/abuse etc. deserves significant time in jail, but perhaps if the Conservative & Unionist party had invested properly in prisons then maybe some of the 'random' cases you highlight (mostly ethnically related) might have got longer sentences - for me this might have also included the serious crimes of Horizon chief executives and Michelle Mone/Doug Barrowman.
nicksar
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Southport stabbings: Not guilty pleas entered for Axel Rudakubana
Not guilty pleas were entered on charges of murdering three girls and attempting to kill 10 others.
www.bbc.co.uk
Pleading Not guilty to all charges.... unbelievable tbh.
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