Southport Stabbing (14 Viewers)

[Ian1779]

Of course people will want to know more, probably more about what caused him to do such a thing, what his motives were, how it might be possible to prevent happening again etc.


Still, innocent choir boy.

It’s going to be an inevitable consequence of the former.

 

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[Gynnsthetonic]

I don't wish to stir the pot here, but it's been bugging me for a couple of days.

When this story of the Southport incident first broke, there were a few comments on here from posters talking about certain SBT members being nowhere to be seen (the left, seemingly) while on other threads, these same left posters were all over those ones.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think I am...

The footage of the black person, simply walking down the street and being punched for no reason whatsoever, was on the Tommy Robinson thread. Been covered on here a little bit too

Looking at it, there don't seem to many posts at all about how awful that incident was and it appears that the sympathy there seems to come from the more left leaning on here.

It just surprised me, because everyone should be disgusted by that.

Panda put it up and I said it was disgusting and the ones who have liked my post are predominantly left leaning I would say.

Hardly anyone has commented on the incident and it seems like no-one from the right (including the ones bemoaning about the absentees at the onset of the Southport thread). Only Nick came out and said how disgusting it was that I can see. Then ADM posted something.

This might open a can of worms, but I can't understand why there aren't a lot, lot more comments of disgust on THAT incident and a lot more likes of posts decrying what happened.

That's much worse than the Manchester one, because at least there is an argument that the police came under attack and had the right to fight back

This guy in Hartlepool is simply walking down the road.

That's really upset me. He did nothing wrong past having the incorrect skin colour.

We should ALL be utterly condemning that.

The whole thing is sickening Otis, I said earlier the poor police officers who witnessed first hand that were there on the scene during the stabbings then get pelted with bricks the next night. The Picking on random guys is despicable.
But the poor families of those involved in stabbings is life changing and some will never recover.

 

[Grendel]

You think defenceless people deserve to have their heads stamped on?

Figures

ironic

 

[PVA]

Firstly, there was no stamp. It went to the side of his head.

Whether he deserved it or not is a different argument, but there clearly was a stamp. He just missed. He obviously intended to stamp on the blokes head.

 

[Otis]

The whole thing is sickening Otis, I said earlier the poor police officers who witnessed first hand that were there on the scene during the stabbings then get pelted with bricks the next night. The Picking on random guys is despicable.
But the poor families of those involved in stabbings is life changing and some will never recover.

Yeah. Not comparing to that

This racist attack upset me much more than the airport incident though

That was just a case of an officer overstepping his remit and losing it for a few seconds (even though can understand how anyone could in that circumstance)

This Hartlepool guy was just walking down the street

 

[torchomatic]

Not working out well for some of the rioters (sounds painful from the female sounding screams)

Follow up to this. "Sobbed in court". LOL.

 

[torchomatic]

Yeah. Not comparing to that

This racist attack upset me much more than the airport incident though

That was just a case of an officer overstepping his remit and losing it for a few seconds (even though can understand how anyone could in that circumstance)

This Hartlepool guy was just walking down the street

Yeah, I think as you said, he was talking walking down the street. If he'd been white he would have been ignored.

 

[Otis]

Follow up to this. "Sobbed in court". LOL.

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Bless.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Nonsense.

Weren't you aware of even most of that ?

 

[torchomatic]

Weren't you aware of even most of that ?

Irrelevant. Some people on here might not have been. Were you aware of every single point? And even if you were, what is the issue in sharing what could be a fucking awful weekend for law and order in the UK?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Irrelevant. Some people on here might not have been. Were you aware of every single point? And even if you were, what is the issue in sharing what could be a fucking awful weekend for law and order in the UK?

What's the point of this load of melodramatic crap. Everyone knows there has been and is likely to be more trouble this weekend. It's common sense.
As for an " awful weekend for law and order" don't you remember the 1980s coal strikes or the poll tax revolt. Shit happens. I'm sure you'll survive.

 

[torchomatic]

What's the point of this load of melodramatic crap. Everyone knows there has been and is likely to be more trouble this weekend. It's common sense.
As for an " awful weekend for law and order" don't you remember the 1980s coal strikes or the poll tax revolt. Shit happens. I'm sure you'll survive.

Weird take. Then again, not surprised.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Yeah, I think as you said, he was talking walking down the street. If he'd been white he would have been ignored.

You're right, and those responsible should be shown the full arm of the law. It isn't acceptable whatsoever and they should set an example with the sentences they will hopefully hand out in this case. It's a truly sickening story and another upsetting incident that has taken place in such a short space of time.

I feel like things are very volatile at the moment, and there's a variety of things that I think are making it worse. The media's attempt to stoke the fire even more on almost every occasion being a big part of it. It feels very much like they're trying to make people feel sorry for this guy in Southport. If the suspect had been a white man going into a nursery full of children who were of a different race, killing and injuring them, I don't think we would be seeing photographs of him in a choir outfit along with statements about how he was a quiet kid who took a wrong turn. The focus at this point should be on the victims and their families, but it seems we have lost sight of that.

Equally, the Claims 4 U style approach to the Manchester Airport pair was another shower of shit. How those twats aren't sitting planning their next few years from a jail cell at the moment is beyond me. It doesn't set a very good example, and unless they start cracking down on everyone that wants to upset our society, people are going to take advantage of that, and I fear we will start to see even more unrest.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Weird take. Then again, not surprised.

Good. Wouldn't want you any more stressed. I must admit I've never heard of Sarah Jane Mee. Should I care?

 

[Otis]

You're right, and those responsible should be shown the full arm of the law. It isn't acceptable whatsoever and they should set an example with the sentences they will hopefully hand out in this case. It's a truly sickening story and another upsetting incident that has taken place in such a short space of time.

I feel like things are very volatile at the moment, and there's a variety of things that I think are making it worse. The media's attempt to stoke the fire even more on almost every occasion being a big part of it. It feels very much like they're trying to make people feel sorry for this guy in Southport. If the suspect had been a white man going into a nursery full of children who were of a different race, killing and injuring them, I don't think we would be seeing photographs of him in a choir outfit along with statements about how he was a quiet kid who took a wrong turn. The focus at this point should be on the victims and their families, but it seems we have lost sight of that.

Equally, the Claims 4 U style approach to the Manchester Airport pair was another shower of shit. How those twats aren't sitting planning their next few years from a jail cell at the moment is beyond me. It doesn't set a very good example, and unless they start cracking down on everyone that wants to upset our society, people are going to take advantage of that, and I fear we will start to see even more unrest.

I am not picking up on any sympathy for the Southport attacker.

The photo you mean? Or is there something I have missed?

 

[torchomatic]

You're right, and those responsible should be shown the full arm of the law. It isn't acceptable whatsoever and they should set an example with the sentences they will hopefully hand out in this case. It's a truly sickening story and another upsetting incident that has taken place in such a short space of time.

I feel like things are very volatile at the moment, and there's a variety of things that I think are making it worse. The media's attempt to stoke the fire even more on almost every occasion being a big part of it. It feels very much like they're trying to make people feel sorry for this guy in Southport. If the suspect had been a white man going into a nursery full of children who were of a different race, killing and injuring them, I don't think we would be seeing photographs of him in a choir outfit along with statements about how he was a quiet kid who took a wrong turn. The focus at this point should be on the victims and their families, but it seems we have lost sight of that.

Equally, the Claims 4 U style approach to the Manchester Airport pair was another shower of shit. How those twats aren't sitting planning their next few years from a jail cell at the moment is beyond me. It doesn't set a very good example, and unless they start cracking down on everyone that wants to upset our society, people are going to take advantage of that, and I fear we will start to see even more unrest.

I don't think the media are stoking anything. They report news, they report what they see and what they are told. They are reporting - along with police - that there are various protests planned for this weekend. Protests that will be targeting Islamic Centres and Mosques. That's not right, this murderer has nothing to do with Islam.

I, like you, fear unrest and we don't need it. I remember it in the 80s and it was frightening.

As for the murderer of those poor kids. He will hopefully be locked up for good. He can never be released. Some maybe interested in his back story and why he did what he did. I have no interest in that. He did it, so he should be locked up for good.

 

[torchomatic]

I am not picking up on any sympathy for the Southport attacker.

The photo you mean? Or is there something I have missed?

I'm not sure why Nick and others are obsessing with him being thought of as a choir boy and getting sympathy. I've not read anything that sympathises with him.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If the suspect had been a white man

What a ridiculous attempt at equivalence. You do this a lot... it's usually what if it were a black man.

And it's really pointless and unhepful.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I'm not sure with Nick's and other obsession with him being thought as a choir boy and getting sympathy. I've not read anything that sympathises with him.

It's a fucking standard media take, it's a standard story arc for as long as there have been stories! The loss of innocence, the corruption to evil. No 'if it were a white boy' shit in it, as it's been a standard mythic trope in just about every culture and civilisation!

 

[Otis]

It's a fucking standard media take, it's a standard story arc for as long as there have been stories! The loss of innocence, the corruption to evil. No 'if it were a white boy' shit in it, as it's been a standard mythic trope in just about every culture and civilisation!

Yeah. I don't see anything untoward and he is only 17.

Be different if he was 28 and they were showing photos of him as a school boy.

 

[Nick]

Irrelevant. Some people on here might not have been. Were you aware of every single point? And even if you were, what is the issue in sharing what could be a fucking awful weekend for law and order in the UK?

Strange how you are worried if it's a bad weekend if a certain demographic are causing it.

Its weird, maybe because you brag about not speaking to people with different views you genuinely have no idea.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

You're right, and those responsible should be shown the full arm of the law. It isn't acceptable whatsoever and they should set an example with the sentences they will hopefully hand out in this case. It's a truly sickening story and another upsetting incident that has taken place in such a short space of time.

I feel like things are very volatile at the moment, and there's a variety of things that I think are making it worse. The media's attempt to stoke the fire even more on almost every occasion being a big part of it. It feels very much like they're trying to make people feel sorry for this guy in Southport. If the suspect had been a white man going into a nursery full of children who were of a different race, killing and injuring them, I don't think we would be seeing photographs of him in a choir outfit along with statements about how he was a quiet kid who took a wrong turn. The focus at this point should be on the victims and their families, but it seems we have lost sight of that.

Equally, the Claims 4 U style approach to the Manchester Airport pair was another shower of shit. How those twats aren't sitting planning their next few years from a jail cell at the moment is beyond me. It doesn't set a very good example, and unless they start cracking down on everyone that wants to upset our society, people are going to take advantage of that, and I fear we will start to see even more unrest.

I remember a lot about Ian Huntleys background when he killed Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
You're suggesting if they had been mixed race or black we'd have heard very little about him .
A child killer always gets a lot of attention because of the nature of the crime. For you to suggest it's based on race is pure speculation on your part because it's how you want to spin it.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

What a ridiculous attempt at equivalence. You do this a lot... it's usually what if it were a black man.

And it's really pointless and unhepful.

I'm not trying to 'equivalence' anything. I'm pointing out that the media are absolute sharks and will take any opportunity to play to an agenda on either side of the fence. If the suspect an victims had switched races, they would have made it a race issue for absolute certainty. Instead, this is the impression we are given about a monster who has just gone into a nursery and murdered infant children:



It is an adult conversation about a very real threat that we face in this country at the moment of absolute anarchy, and whether it is the coverage of this story, the Leeds riots, the Southport riots, or even Manchester Airport - the amount of disinformation and bias either way has been ridiculous, and like I said, making things ten times worse. I'm actually agreeing with most of you about the twats that have been rioting since the stabbing, and feel an immense amount of sympathy for the innocent people going to pray this weekend who have done nothing wrong. That is alongside the victims of the stabbing and their families, who have somehow become an afterthought.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I'm not sure why Nick and others are obsessing with him being thought of as a choir boy and getting sympathy. I've not read anything that sympathises with him.

Absolutely no one sympathises with this killer.

 

[Nick]

Weird take. Then again, not surprised.

Still not able to reply to certain things?

Best just aim for back pats from people who agree, literally the same as what you keep posting about just the other side of politics.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I remember a lot about Ian Huntleys background when he killed Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
You're suggesting if they had been mixed race or black we'd have heard very little about him .
A child killer always gets a lot of attention because of the nature of the crime. For you to suggest it's based on race is pure speculation on your part because it's how you want to spin it.

I don't remember a lot about Ian Huntley, as I was ten years old when it happened.

I am not spinning anything. Some of you are latching onto my post and taking it completely out of context.

 

[Nick]

I'm not sure why Nick and others are obsessing with him being thought of as a choir boy and getting sympathy. I've not read anything that sympathises with him.

Its hardly obsessing. I posted about the media spinning those in headlines and that it's weird.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

There's a difference though isn't there, we are talking specifically about stamping on someone's head when they are defenceless.

Let's keep this truthful and not bring any strawmen into it.

Who apart from the EDL fella and yourself has stated that they would think it is okay to stamp on a defenceless persons head?

It's okay for you to support the IRA though.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

There's a difference though isn't there, we are talking specifically about stamping on someone's head when they are defenceless.

Let's keep this truthful and not bring any strawmen into it.

Who apart from the EDL fella and yourself has stated that they would think it is okay to stamp on a defenceless persons head?

Ironic this coming from the terrorist IRA fella!

 

[nicksar]

More civil unrest... farmers blocking the boats landing on the beach with a huge row of Tractor's.... world's going madder by the day.

 

[covcity4life]

It's a fat right white power thing to say the media like the killer though. That's the issue. Too many people fall for their shit and repeat it.

 

[Nick]

More civil unrest... farmers blocking the boats landing on the beach with a huge row of Tractor's.... world's going madder by the day.

Isn't that in France?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I'm not trying to 'equivalence' anything. I'm pointing out that the media are absolute sharks and will take any opportunity to play to an agenda on either side of the fence. If the suspect an victims had switched races, they would have made it a race issue for absolute certainty. Instead, this is the impression we are given about a monster who has just gone into a nursery and murdered infant children:

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It is an adult conversation about a very real threat that we face in this country at the moment of absolute anarchy, and whether it is the coverage of this story, the Leeds riots, the Southport riots, or even Manchester Airport - the amount of disinformation and bias either way has been ridiculous, and like I said, making things ten times worse. I'm actually agreeing with most of you about the twats that have been rioting since the stabbing, and feel an immense amount of sympathy for the innocent people going to pray this weekend who have done nothing wrong. That is alongside the victims of the stabbing and their families, who have somehow become an afterthought.

I see the face of an evil killer who deserves to die in agony. Just like Ian Huntley. Just like the killers of Jamie Bulger. Don't care if he's black or white. Won't be taken in by photos of him when he was young and neither would anyone else .

 

[Nick]

It's a fat right white power thing to say the media like the killer though. That's the issue. Too many people fall for their shit and repeat it.

Not really. Its not about his skin colour to me. There's plenty of other people done for horrific crimes all races and colours where random stuff like that hasn't been spun.

I'm not saying it's about liking him, I'm saying I find it strange how it's "autistic choirboy".

Although I am a bit chubby nowadays

 

[nicksar]

Isn't that in France?

Just did a check and you are right, although it's been put up by Reform as Dover... poor by me tbh.