Speak to Venus tonight - CWR Phone In (14 Viewers)

Captain Dart · Oct 14, 2016

Important statement when Mark Venus was asked if he had any indication of where a new stadium or academy would be located.. he did not know..

What an astonishing thing for a board member to admit! There you have it no Butts, no nothing.

On the strictly football side his answers were quite reasonable.

Nick · Oct 14, 2016

Captain Dart said:
Important statement when Mark Venus was asked if he had any indication of where a new stadium or academy would be located.. he did not know..

What an astonishing thing for a board member to admit! There you have it no Butts, no nothing.

On the strictly football side his answers were quite reasonable.

Was that early on? I only caught from about 6.35 I think.

letsallsingtogether · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
How are the trust planning on chucking shit loads of money in?

They don't need to they don't own it Sisu do.
So keep sticking up for them by blaming others.
They are putting nothing in but want everyone else to and then to buy into there model.
Sorry soon it how you want it will never work on this league, unless they can find another 1 million pound player to sell every year .

Sky Blue Kid · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
why would the club be put into admin?

I have yet to see an actual thought out plan that would give good reasons why it would be helping our football club.

Nobody thought SISU would put CCFC into Administration but they did!... And before anyone says "It was CCC/ACL/Higgs..... SISU knew exactly what they were doing by "Forcing it"

ccfcway · Oct 14, 2016

Captain Dart said:
Important statement when Mark Venus was asked if he had any indication of where a new stadium or academy would be located.. he did not know..

What an astonishing thing for a board member to admit! There you have it no Butts, no nothing.

On the strictly football side his answers were quite reasonable.

Sadly that's where we are. Fully endorse us being self sufficient and spending within our means. We have no intention of building a stadium and fans are walking away, resulting in a reduction in income, meaning spending will reduce.

Unless we get lucky with a manager punching above their weight, It's a continuous downward spirial

stupot07 · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
Was that early on? I only caught from about 6.35 I think.

It was about 20 past.

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Nick · Oct 14, 2016

letsallsingtogether said:
They don't need to they don't own it Sisu do.
So keep sticking up for them by blaming others.
They are putting nothing in but want everyone else to and then to buy into there model.
Sorry soon it how you want it will never work on this league, unless they can find another 1 million pound player to sell every year .

It was asking how the trust would do it, it wasn't sticking up for anybody was it?

Surely to correct me you would say "no, the trust / fans would be doing x y and z" rather than just shouting about sticking up for people.

ccfcway · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
It was asking how the trust would do it, it wasn't sticking up for anybody was it?

Surely to correct me you would say "no, the trust / fans would be doing x y and z" rather than just shouting about sticking up for people.

The funding, management etc is a question mark. One thing for certain is more doors would open.

Nick · Oct 14, 2016

ccfcway said:
The funding, management etc is a question mark. One thing for certain is more doors would open.

That still doesn't answer anything.

Doors would open to where?

It is the same with NOPM, nobody can actually say how and why it will work but you are defending other people by asking.

Sky Blue Kid · Oct 14, 2016

Grendel said:
The truth is the likes of Jimmy Hill would definitely say the owners are beyond contempt but still go and support the team.

So just put up or fuck off.

Jimmy told you that did he?

fernandopartridge · Oct 14, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
Jimmy told you that did he?

Did he tell the protestors that marching from Holbrooks Park is something he'd do?

letsallsingtogether · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
It was asking how the trust would do it, it wasn't sticking up for anybody was it?

Surely to correct me you would say "no, the trust / fans would be doing x y and z" rather than just shouting about sticking up for people.

No you are deflecting from from the question you yourself started about self sufficiency.
Why ask about the trust we want to know about now!
You said it is the way forward.

So come on tell us how.
And how we can keep it that way?

fernandopartridge · Oct 14, 2016

letsallsingtogether said:
No no one else uses it because it doesn't work that is the issue.
He said it had to work because his employers said so.
Twist it how you want if we are not self sufficient now with 8000 crowds then it can only get worse.
So what is there to grasp Nick.
Like he said players are getting more expensive so you would have to increase your crowds every year to keep the club going.

Who does it work for then? Derby? Forest? How's that going?

Sky Blue Kid · Oct 14, 2016

fernandopartridge said:
Did he tell the protestors that marching from Holbrooks Park is something he'd do?

I don't know , he never said.

ccfcway · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
That still doesn't answer anything.

Doors would open to where?

It is the same with NOPM, nobody can actually say how and why it will work but you are defending other people by asking.

do you honestly believe that CCC wouldn't want to work and support a fan owned football club ?

Nick · Oct 14, 2016

letsallsingtogether said:
No you are deflecting from from the question you yourself started about self sufficiency.
Why ask about the trust we want to know about now!
You said it is the way forward.

So come on tell us how.
And how we can keep it that way?

How is it deflecting from it? The trust are banging on about takeovers with the press, would they not have to run us self sufficient too, or would that be ok?

I have said many times why I don't think it is that bad, unless we all want SISU to put more money in and increase the debt? People demanding them to invest money and them out at the same time, how does that work?

People just need to actually see we are in League 1, we aren't in the Premier League and we don't have any god given right to be anywhere near it at the minute. You only had to hear some on the phone in that they don't seem to grasp we are a league 1 club.

No doubt your answer will be "Well why are we a league 1 club?", and the answer to that is to look at the revenues in the Championship.

If you have an issue with self sufficient, why not start protesting for everybody to fill the ground to pay more players wages?

Nick · Oct 14, 2016

ccfcway said:
do you honestly believe that CCC wouldn't want to work and support a fan owned football club ?

How are CCC going to help?

stupot07 · Oct 14, 2016

fernandopartridge said:
Brilliant model of everybody else is using it? Is this bloke for real? Self sufficiency is what all of football should aim for.

Completely agree. Given thr amount if insolvency issues football clubs have had the fa / FL and uefa should be doing more to to make FFP rules stricter.

I have no problem with being self sustainable, IIRC Swansea were pretty much cost neutral throughout their rise from league two to the premier league (made a loss in their promotion season due to bonus, etc). I can be done and it is the right thing to do.

At the minute that means selling players to cover losses, not ideal but necessary. It does sound from both fisher and Venus comments that the aim is to drive the costs down further to get to a position where we don't need to sell.

Whilst I don't think a new stadium or training ground will materialised, I can see why a company would invest in a capital project whilst still shrinking ongoing revenue costs.

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fernandopartridge · Oct 14, 2016

CCC's 'support' for the arena project was never about CCFC. It was about their own regeneration interests. They could not give two hoots about the football club. The horse has bolted on that one 2 years ago.

ccfcway · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
How are CCC going to help?

I don't know, like granting permission for a stadium at butts, by liasing with wasps (who everyone keeps saying they have a relationship with) to give ccfc access to match day (and non match day) revenues, by working with the club to find a solution to the academy.

Surely like they have done with Wasps, an onside CCC would be an asset ?

SkyblueBri · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
It isn't clinging on to anything, if we got an FA cup draw there would still be a clamour for tickets.

19,000 signing an online petition doesn't say anything apart from we got about 10,000 more than that against Gillingham. Online petitions don't say anything.

If we go top of the league, loads will be back. If we got a cup run, loads would we back.

You keep saying this why? Nothing now will bring my friends back unless SISU go, it does not matter what happens if SISU remain more and more will get disillusioned and stop going, we're in a downwared spiral and currently I can't see any way out!

Sky Blue Kid · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
How is it deflecting from it? The trust are banging on about takeovers with the press, would they not have to run us self sufficient too, or would that be ok?

I have said many times why I don't think it is that bad, unless we all want SISU to put more money in and increase the debt? People demanding them to invest money and them out at the same time, how does that work?

People just need to actually see we are in League 1, we aren't in the Premier League and we don't have any god given right to be anywhere near it at the minute. You only had to hear some on the phone in that they don't seem to grasp we are a league 1 club.

No doubt your answer will be "Well why are we a league 1 club?", and the answer to that is to look at the revenues in the Championship.

If you have an issue with self sufficient, why not start protesting for everybody to fill the ground to pay more players wages?

I really don't have a problem with self sufficiency, but I have a problem with Revenue first, Product second..... You don't go to a Horse race and back a horse because you like the name, you check form, the Breeding, and see who the owner/s are then decide wether to put your 50p on or not.

ccfcway · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
It is the same with NOPM, nobody can actually say how and why it will work but you are defending other people by asking.

I'm not defending anyone. If we live within our means (the SISU business plan) and income is the same out goings, why wouldn't you, or anyone else want genuine people who care about CCFC to run it ?

Nick · Oct 14, 2016

ccfcway said:
I don't know, like granting permission for a stadium at butts, by liasing with wasps (who everyone keeps saying they have a relationship with) to give ccfc access to match day (and non match day) revenues, by working with the club to find a solution to the academy.

Surely like they have done with Wasps, an onside CCC would be an asset ?

Surely CCC can't tell Wasps what to do?

Nick · Oct 14, 2016

ccfcway said:
I'm not defending anyone. If we live within our means (the SISU business plan) and income is the same out goings, why wouldn't you, or anyone else want genuine people who care about CCFC to run it ?

No I wasn't saying you were. Just that is the answer that comes back.

I'm not the one demanding investment, so your question is wasted on me I understand we are in League 1 and can't see the issue with self sufficiency as it is a great base to build on.

ccfcway · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
No I wasn't saying you were. Just that is the answer that comes back.

I'm not the one demanding investment, so your question is wasted on me I understand we are in League 1 and can't see the issue with self sufficiency as it is a great base to build on.

even better base to build on with owners that care about the club.

A lot of in fighting about how fickle CCFC fans are. I don't agree. To have as many as we still have going to games is a real testament to our following.

I want our owners to care as much about the club as I do. That really cant be too much to ask ?

Sky Blue Kid · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
No I wasn't saying you were. Just that is the answer that comes back.

I'm not the one demanding investment, so your question is wasted on me I understand we are in League 1 and can't see the issue with self sufficiency as it is a great base to build on.

Do you truly believe SISU will "Build" anything?

Sky Blue Kid · Oct 14, 2016

ccfcway said:
even better base to build on with owners that care about the club.

A lot of in fighting about how fickle CCFC fans are. I don't agree. To have as many as we still have going to games is a real testament to our following.

I want our owners to care as much about the club as I do. That really cant be too much to ask ?

With this shower of s**t it is mate

kdrinkell · Oct 14, 2016

ccfcway said:
I want our owners to care as much about the club as I do. That really cant be too much to ask ?

Different prerogatives

Nick · Oct 14, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
Do you truly believe SISU will "Build" anything?

Who said anything about SISU doing it?

Sky Blue Kid · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
Who said anything about SISU doing it?

Well you never said new owners did you!

Nick · Oct 14, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
Well you never said new owners did you!

I have said it over and over that being self sufficient would potentially make the club more attractive than if it was pissing loads of money up the wall. The same as it would make it easier if there was a realistic fan plan.

Sky Blue Kid · Oct 14, 2016

[QUOTE="Nick, post: 1182802, member: 1"]I have said it over and over that being self sufficient would potentially make the club more attractive than if it was pissing loads of money up the wall. The same as it would make it easier if there was a realistic fan plan.[/QUOTE]

Oh! so you were talking about SISU then

letsallsingtogether · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
I have said it over and over that being self sufficient would potentially make the club more attractive than if it was pissing loads of money up the wall. The same as it would make it easier if there was a realistic fan plan.

Nick they said they needed 12000 last season then upped it how many do we need this season with our poor start 15000 it is not happening and yes it would be good to be self sufficient but we are years away.
And the longer we stay in this league the further it will get.
It is just a dream that all end up a nightmare.

dongonzalos · Oct 14, 2016

Nick said:
How are the trust planning on chucking shit loads of money in?

The trust would be the same as SISU trying to break even.
However they would have a clean slate with potential key partners.
Also their decision making would be so key driven by CCFC not an overriding seperate business.

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