Speak to Venus tonight - CWR Phone In (1 Viewer)

[Nick]

The trust would be the same as SISU trying to break even.
However they would have a clean slate with potential key partners.
Also their decision making would be so key driven by CCFC not an overriding seperate business.

So it wouldn't be too much different then? Just different owners and a long term agreement at the Ricoh?

The decision making would still be restricted by the money.

 

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[dongonzalos]

That still doesn't answer anything.

Doors would open to where?

It is the same with NOPM, nobody can actually say how and why it will work but you are defending other people by asking.

I am not doing NOMP.
Yet I have given you an explanation of how and why it would work.

 

[clint van damme]

So it wouldn't be too much different then? Just different owners and a long term agreement at the Ricoh?

The decision making would still be restricted by the money.

but surely the focus would be on driving the club forward rather than whatever it is that's going on now.

 

[dongonzalos]

So it wouldn't be too much different then? Just different owners and a long term agreement at the Ricoh?

The decision making would still be restricted by the money.

Under the trust yes it would be restricted by finances. The same as it currently under SISU. However it would be better because they could do deals with key partners yes.
The only way we will progress is if we have an owner who is prepared to lose money.

 

[Nick]

Under the trust yes it would be restricted by finances. The same as it currently under SISU. However it would be better because they could do deals with key partners yes.
The only way we will progress is if we have an owner who is prepared to lose money.

Then what happens when there are people ringing up the phone in demanding to know why we have loans and why we aren't buying x and y and why there is no investment?

 

[stupot07]

Under the trust yes it would be restricted by finances. The same as it currently under SISU. However it would be better because they could do deals with key partners yes.
The only way we will progress is if we have an owner who is prepared to lose money.

The fan ownership will be that desperate to stay at the Ricoh no matter what, that wasps will have a field day. Before you know it we'll be back on the old £1.2m pa rent deal with no access to revenues for 249 years.

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[clint van damme]

The fan ownership will be that desperate to stay at the Ricoh no matter what, that wasps will have a field day. Before you know it we'll be back on the old £1.2m pa rent deal with no access to revenues for 249 years.

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dealing with the cartel would be the next big challenge after getting rid of sisu.

 

[McLovin87]

I am not doing NOMP.
Yet I have given you an explanation of how and why it would work.

What's the crack, is it "Not One Penny More" or "Not One More Penny" it's getting like "The Judean People's Front"around here. What have SISU ever done for us? :facepalm:

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

Why do you think Wasps would want to take us to the cleaners they are in business to make money to progress they would in my opinion want to keep us going paying into the pot .We could not be worse tenant to deal with than SUSI .

 

[ccfcway]

Different prerogatives

yer, thanks Bobby Brown

 

[letsallsingtogether]

How is it deflecting from it? The trust are banging on about takeovers with the press, would they not have to run us self sufficient too, or would that be ok?

I have said many times why I don't think it is that bad, unless we all want SISU to put more money in and increase the debt? People demanding them to invest money and them out at the same time, how does that work?

People just need to actually see we are in League 1, we aren't in the Premier League and we don't have any god given right to be anywhere near it at the minute. You only had to hear some on the phone in that they don't seem to grasp we are a league 1 club.

No doubt your answer will be "Well why are we a league 1 club?", and the answer to that is to look at the revenues in the Championship.

If you have an issue with self sufficient, why not start protesting for everybody to fill the ground to pay more players wages?

I lisened to the phone in and yes the people do realise we are in league 1.

The problem is others like yourself who believe we should be getting 15000 every week in league 1
We have never been a massively supported club in my time supporting them.
So why should we all of a sudden expect crowds big enough to keep us going?
What are the owners going to do to bring back all those lost souls that can't be bothered anymore.
That is what you should be asking.

 

[dongonzalos]

Then what happens when there are people ringing up the phone in demanding to know why we have loans and why we aren't buying x and y and why there is no investment?

The trust answers their questions.

 

[Nick]

Why do you think Wasps would want to take us to the cleaners they are in business to make money to progress they would in my opinion want to keep us going paying into the pot .We could not be worse tenant to deal with than SUSI .

You answered it yourself? They would want to make as much money as they could...

 

[dongonzalos]

The fan ownership will be that desperate to stay at the Ricoh no matter what, that wasps will have a field day. Before you know it we'll be back on the old £1.2m pa rent deal with no access to revenues for 249 years.

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I am not so sure.
A fans ran club approaching Wasps for a long term Ricoh deal.
You think it would be 1.2 million a year for 250 years?

 

[Monners]

Defector shields are up tonight.

 

[Nick]

I lisened to the phone in and yes the people do realise we are in league 1.

The problem is others like yourself who believe we should be getting 15000 every week in league 1
We have never been a massively supported club in my time supporting them.
So why should we all of a sudden expect crowds big enough to keep us going?
What are the owners going to do to bring back all those lost souls that can't be bothered anymore.
That is what you should be asking.

I'm not expecting 15k, I'm also not expecting loads of money to be pumped in.

Some of the callers I heard didn't seem to realise.

The lower the crowd, the more cuts or players get sold. It's been said for months.

 

[Monners]

I'm not expecting 15k, I'm also not expecting loads of money to be pumped in.

Some of the callers I heard didn't seem to realise.

The lower the crowd, the more cuts or players get sold. It's been said for months.

So what's your answer then?

 

[stupot07]

I am not so sure.
A fans ran club approaching Wasps for a long term Ricoh deal.
You think it would be 1.2 million a year for 250 years?

I was being flippant, but I have no confidence that a fan owned club would get a better deal, they would be viewed as inexperienced negotiators and wasps would exploitment just as much as they're exploiting the club now.

I don't share the view that a fan owned club will get preferential treatment, cheaper deals and more access to revenues and everything will be hunky dory.

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[dongonzalos]

I'm not expecting 15k, I'm also not expecting loads of money to be pumped in.

Some of the callers I heard didn't seem to realise.

The lower the crowd, the more cuts or players get sold. It's been said for months.

The more cuts and player sales = the poorer the results = even lower crowds.
Simple fact of life it's a cycle that will only head to one place.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

But the best thing is we have the same argument every week about people who phone in.
The ones shouting the loudest about stupid fans can't be bothered to phone in or have any input in the program.

 

[dongonzalos]

I was being flippant, but I have no confidence that a fan owned club would get a better deal, they would be viewed as inexperienced negotiators and wasps would exploitment just as much as they're exploiting the club now.

I don't share the view that a fan owned club will get preferential treatment, cheaper deals and more access to revenues and everything will be hunky dory.

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I just think they would get a normal deal. Where as our current owners just antagonise and repeatedly fail to get any deal on anything and blame everyone else. I assume fan owned clubs employ professionals to do the running of the club who have experience in such matters?

 

[Captain Dart]

Just tuned in and heard Pete in the car, fuck sake.

I must catch the bad ones

Can somebody paraphrase the rest while I can't listen?

That was a very good question, he asked MV to explain the owners business model which was explained as self sustainability and then the questioner expressed his own belief that self sustainability is inappropriate for a football club. You don't have to agree with his view but the question was very well worth asking.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

I'm not expecting 15k, I'm also not expecting loads of money to be pumped in.

Some of the callers I heard didn't seem to realise.

The lower the crowd, the more cuts or players get sold. It's been said for months.

No shit I forgot only you realise that all the rest are stupid.
Unless I was listening to a different station WHO was demanding they buy XY and Z
Lets ask you again.
So what should they do differantly to increase the fan base in order to be self sufficient?

 

[Nick]

That was a very good question, he asked MV to explain the owners business model which was explained as self sustainability and then the questioner expressed his own belief that self sustainability in inappropriate for a football club. You don't have to agree with his view but the question was very well worth asking.

No, he was the one who didn't know his question and then said about loans.

 

[Captain Dart]

No, he was the one who didn't know his question and then said about loans.

Pete in Radford around 41mins was what I heard.

 

[ccfcway]

I'm not expecting 15k, I'm also not expecting loads of money to be pumped in. The lower the crowd, the more cuts or players get sold. It's been said for months.

where will that leave us ?, surely that's the spiral we are on and will continue to be on unless something changes ?

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

Sorry for coming back late Nick but they wouldn't want to put us out of business by charging too much then it would be no money .Inexperienced negotiators no if your dealing with finance you have to have professional people doing that cannot cut corners there. Surely some uplift would come by having a vested interest in the club.

 

[Ian1779]

I was being flippant, but I have no confidence that a fan owned club would get a better deal, they would be viewed as inexperienced negotiators and wasps would exploitment just as much as they're exploiting the club now.

I don't share the view that a fan owned club will get preferential treatment, cheaper deals and more access to revenues and everything will be hunky dory.

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The biggest issue that a fan owned club will have is cash flow.... and off season is a long time in this regard.

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

That is no different to anyone else running the club but getting money in from the likes of season tickets would become easier as people would see the money going into OUR club.

 

[Nick]

That is no different to anyone else running the club but getting money in from the likes of season tickets would become easier as people would see the money going into OUR club.

So it isn't going into the club now then?

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

If by any chance the club was taken over by the fans the first thing to do would be to bring to shop back into club ownership then you know that any purchase you make would go toward helping the club SUSI talk about revenue streams and yet they let that one go. What I'm saying about season tickets Nick is as a fan I'd sooner see the money going into something run by ourselves than some faceless group of people

 

[stupot07]

If by any chance the club was taken over by the fans the first thing to do would be to bring to shop back into club ownership then you know that any purchase you make would go toward helping the club SUSI talk about revenue streams and yet they let that one go. What I'm saying about season tickets Nick is as a fan I'd sooner see the money going into something run by ourselves than some faceless group of people

The club do get revenue from the shop, they get commission on what is sold without the liability of having to fund running costs. A Ricoh unit costs around £65-70k pa rent, then you'll have another £60-65k staffing costs, utilities (£2k?), then cost of purchasing initial stock (£20k?), ongoing stock (?), etc, to cover before you start to make usable profit.

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[ccfcway]

Then what happens when there are people ringing up the phone in demanding to know why we have loans and why we aren't buying x and y and why there is no investment?

the same as the man utd or arsenal fans ringing up every sat night saying they need a change. They would get ignored as the minority.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

The club do get revenue from the shop, they get commission on what is sold without the liability of having to fund running costs. A Ricoh unit costs around £65-70k pa rent, then you'll have another £60-65k staffing costs, utilities (£2k?), then cost of purchasing initial stock (£20k?), ongoing stock (?), etc, to cover before you start to make usable profit.

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So how do they get any commission then do the operators not have any of those costs?
or is it run by a charity?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

No, he was the one who didn't know his question and then said about loans.

No he wasn't please Concentrate rate Nick.
Pete asked abut the club's business plan, about how they were going to make it work.
Venus had the same answer as you.
It has to, but like you not sure how to do it.
Really filled us all with confidence.