Spoilt (5 Viewers)

covboy1987 · Aug 22, 2019

We all want to go back to the Ricoh as quickly as possible as fans but not so sure that the players and management are as keen due to been spoilt at the fantastic playing surface at St Andrew's enabling the free-flowing football style we play- Any new deal would have to include absolute guarantees that the Ricoh pitch would have to be in tip-top condition such as Swansea and Bristol city that also share with a rugby club but spend thousands on ensuring the pitch is suitable for there own free footballing style - When and if Wasps & CCFC do get around a table this issue will be a massive talking point as the pitch at the Ricoh was plainly for whatever reasons not suitable for football and rugby with the ball continually bobbling and some players commenting that they have to take an extra touch - The elation of returning if announced that we would be coming back has to be shared by Mark Robins and players

Fergusons_Beard · Aug 22, 2019

I don’t want us to go back to the Ricoh.

It’s done now.

It’s Wasps stadium. It’s a rugby ground.

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Jcap · Aug 22, 2019

Agree, though I suspect (and rightly so for once) Wasps might expect a reasonable contribution from us towards the cost of maintenance, after all we probably need the pitch to be in much better condition that they might ever need.

Edit: this was in response to OP. However I also agree with FB and would prefer us to forget Ricoh and build our own new ground, I won't hold my breath though...

clint van damme · Aug 22, 2019

I don't know anything about pitches but is there anything the owners could do, employ extra ground staff etc or is it simply a fact that having rugby games on there causes issues?
What are the pitches like at other stadium where both sports are played?

Otis · Aug 22, 2019

Fergusons_Beard said:
I don’t want us to go back to the Ricoh.

It’s done now.

It’s Wasps stadium. It’s a rugby ground.

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So you would be prepared to just stay in Birmingham?

We HAVE to get back to the Ricoh unless a magical new stadium is conjured up out of somewhere.

We have to.

This has to be temporary and not for years and years.

Skybluefaz · Aug 22, 2019

covboy1987 said:
We all want to go back to the Ricoh as quickly as possible as fans but not so sure that the players and management are as keen due to been spoilt at the fantastic playing surface at St Andrew's enabling the free-flowing football style we play- Any new deal would have to include absolute guarantees that the Ricoh pitch would have to be in tip-top condition such as Swansea and Bristol city that also share with a rugby club but spend thousands on ensuring the pitch is suitable for there own free footballing style - When and if Wasps & CCFC do get around a table this issue will be a massive talking point as the pitch at the Ricoh was plainly for whatever reasons not suitable for football and rugby with the ball continually bobbling and some players commenting that they have to take an extra touch - The elation of returning if announced that we would be coming back has to be shared by Mark Robins and players

Great inside info, do you work for the club?

TTG · Aug 22, 2019

clint van damme said:
I don't know anything about pitches but is there anything the owners could do, employ extra ground staff etc or is it simply a fact that having rugby games on there causes issues?
What are the pitches like at other stadium where both sports are played?

Its not like u ever see groundsmen out at the Ricoh, or watering the ground compared to standrews

Jcap · Aug 22, 2019

clint van damme said:
I don't know anything about pitches but is there anything the owners could do, employ extra ground staff etc or is it simply a fact that having rugby games on there causes issues?
What are the pitches like at other stadium where both sports are played?

Not sure either, but I'm guessing something to do with frequency & depth of maintenance would affect how good the pitch is for the next time it's used. That would obviously need more ground staff. It's also difficult to tell just how good the pitch is at these other grounds used by both footie & egg-chasing teams - sometimes even the Ricoh pitch looked good but then when the game started you could see the ball bobbling everywhere.

covboy1987 · Aug 22, 2019

clint van damme said:
I don't know anything about pitches but is there anything the owners could do, employ extra ground staff etc or is it simply a fact that having rugby games on there causes issues?
What are the pitches like at other stadium where both sports are played?

Swansea and Bristol city share pitches with rugby clubs as an example -Reading up on them do not experience the same issues as they spend a lot of money ensuring the pitch is in tip-top condition for the football side

ajsccfc · Aug 22, 2019

Groundshare with crown green bowls club = promotion

Nick · Aug 22, 2019

ajsccfc said:
Groundshare with crown green bowls club = promotion

Wouldn't fancy a slide tackle.

Sky Blue Harry H · Aug 22, 2019

Otis said:
So you would be prepared to just stay in Birmingham?

We HAVE to get back to the Ricoh unless a magical new stadium is conjured up out of somewhere.

We have to.

This has to be temporary and not for years and years.

Agree Otis. Not back until after the Gillingham game, so humbugs on hold. Hope your mum is ok.

Nick · Aug 22, 2019

Jcap said:
Agree, though I suspect (and rightly so for once) Wasps might expect a reasonable contribution from us towards the cost of maintenance, after all we probably need the pitch to be in much better condition that they might ever need.

Edit: this was in response to OP. However I also agree with FB and would prefer us to forget Ricoh and build our own new ground, I won't hold my breath though...

At the end of the day they would be renting out a pitch to a football team, they should make sure it's suitable.

Esoterica · Aug 22, 2019

I think pitch condition at the Ricoh is purely down to money spent. If the sports were reversed i.e. Wasps were the football club and we were the rugby club, I'm sure it would be in much better condition than it has been.

Otis · Aug 22, 2019

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Agree Otis. Not back until after the Gillingham game, so humbugs on hold. Hope your mum is ok.

She is home now, Harry. Still not been to a game yet though. Maybe Saturday. My dad needs keeping an eye on too unfortunately.

Fingers crossed I can make Saturday.

If I can't make any games this season I will just utilise my ST to get FA Cup Final tickets when we get there in May.

SBAndy · Aug 22, 2019

covboy1987 said:
Swansea and Bristol city share pitches with rugby clubs as an example -Reading up on them do not experience the same issues as they spend a lot of money ensuring the pitch is in tip-top condition for the football side

Looking at Ashton Gate, they completely revamped the pitch in the summer of 2017. This went on from June until August. Wasps got a concert and the monster trucks in over the summer. That somewhat explains the poor state of the pitch.

Nick · Aug 22, 2019

Esoterica said:
I think pitch condition at the Ricoh is purely down to money spent. If the sports were reversed i.e. Wasps were the football club and we were the rugby club, I'm sure it would be in much better condition that has been.

Exactly, when the pitch was done the people who did it said it should be fine as long as it was maintained properly.

At St Andrews as soon as the game is finished loads of people pile out onto the pitch to work on it, they are levelling it out and the lawnmowers are on. That never really happened at the Ricoh, there would be a couple of people with forks at halftime but thats about it.

Wasps even had to do a press release because they had heat lamps in over the winter once, most clubs would be doing that as standard wouldn't they?

Look at the pitches at Ryton and the Higgs, they are immaculate.

covboy1987 · Aug 22, 2019

Skybluefaz said:
Great inside info, do you work for the club?

No but if you speak with the players management see what they say

Irish Sky Blue · Aug 22, 2019

Otis said:
So you would be prepared to just stay in Birmingham?

We HAVE to get back to the Ricoh unless a magical new stadium is conjured up out of somewhere.

We have to.

This has to be temporary and not for years and years.

If we groundshare on an indefinite basis with Birmingham or anyone else for that matter, it is hard to see that it will not eventually effect the playing side. Will Sisu continue to make up the shortfall to keep us competitive? Will fans who are giving it a go for this year continue into the future?
We need to be back in Coventry and at the moment the Ricoh is the only place we can play.

MalcSB · Aug 22, 2019

Just the way they do the line markings for wasps would have to change. They are not just white lines, they are gouged out of the surface.

I’m happy watching good football on a football pitch.

Fergusons_Beard · Aug 22, 2019

Otis said:
So you would be prepared to just stay in Birmingham?

We HAVE to get back to the Ricoh unless a magical new stadium is conjured up out of somewhere.

We have to.

This has to be temporary and not for years and years.

Why?

No we don’t.

Moving back to the Ricoh after Northampton was always temporary-the council saw to that.

Don’t we need a permanent home in the City?

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Fergusons_Beard · Aug 22, 2019

clint van damme said:
I don't know anything about pitches but is there anything the owners could do, employ extra ground staff etc or is it simply a fact that having rugby games on there causes issues?
What are the pitches like at other stadium where both sports are played?

I think with all the other ground sharers the football club or council owns the stadium.

Therefore there’s an incentive to maintain the pitch to be able to play decent football.

As the egg chasers own ours then they really don’t need to give a shit about the surface as long as rugby can be played on it.

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HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Aug 22, 2019

Jcap said:
Agree, though I suspect (and rightly so for once) Wasps might expect a reasonable contribution from us towards the cost of maintenance, after all we probably need the pitch to be in much better condition that they might ever need.

Edit: this was in response to OP. However I also agree with FB and would prefer us to forget Ricoh and build our own new ground, I won't hold my breath though...

Happy to go back to the Ricoh with contributions to the pitch, as long as our contribution to their coffers is recognised.

We are a big reason anyone wants to sponsor the Ricoh. We should be compensated as such

Otis · Aug 22, 2019

Fergusons_Beard said:
Why?

No we don’t.

Moving back to the Ricoh after Northampton was always temporary-the council saw to that.

Don’t we need a permanent home in the City?

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But can you see that happening? Especially under Sisu.

shmmeee · Aug 22, 2019

Fergusons_Beard said:
I don’t want us to go back to the Ricoh.

It’s done now.

It’s Wasps stadium. It’s a rugby ground.

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We clearly aren’t building a ground sadly.

Otis · Aug 22, 2019

shmmeee said:
We clearly aren’t building a ground sadly.

Exactly. So if we say we don't want to go back to the Ricoh we are stuck in Birmingham or elsewhere.

Nick · Aug 22, 2019

Otis said:
Exactly. So if we say we don't want to go back to the Ricoh we are stuck in Birmingham or elsewhere.

Don't really think it matters if we want to go back to the Ricoh or not.

ccfchoi87 · Aug 22, 2019

Otis said:
Exactly. So if we say we don't want to go back to the Ricoh we are stuck in Birmingham or elsewhere.

Doesn’t bother me either way. We need a stadium to own a stadium and until then I don’t care if it’s the Ricoh or St Andrews.

Otis · Aug 22, 2019

ccfchoi87 said:
Doesn’t bother me either way. We need a stadium to own a stadium and until then I don’t care if it’s the Ricoh or St Andrews.

Yeah well, each and every to their own, but it bothers me greatly. We should be playing in Coventry.

Grendel · Aug 22, 2019

The sustainability of ST Andrews is a very minimal time frame

Yes if you could take the ground and move it to Coventry of course you’d take it. The other annoying thing is it blows the myth city centre type grounds and access to these grounds can’t be done. There is no parking restrictions and I know a Birmingham fan who parks on their math days with ease

The problem is though crowds will start to decline if results slip and when winter sets in

There has to be by the end of the season a plan - that needs to involve a statement of intent by the owners as to the long term strategy - I don’t see us surviving another year unless there is a real plan

Tommo1993 · Aug 22, 2019

There is no new ground being built. When were the plans first revealed, 2013? 6 years later those in charge are STILL talking shit along with two other parties.

If you “don’t want” us back at the Ricoh, you’re fucking mad.

MalcSB · Aug 22, 2019

Grendel said:
The sustainability of ST Andrews is a very minimal time frame

Yes if you could take the ground and move it to Coventry of course you’d take it. The other annoying thing is it blows the myth city centre type grounds and access to these grounds can’t be done. There is no parking restrictions and I know a Birmingham fan who parks on their math days with ease

The problem is though crowds will start to decline if results slip and when winter sets in

There has to be by the end of the season a plan - that needs to involve a statement of intent by the owners as to the long term strategy - I don’t see us surviving another year unless there is a real plan

Not sure your argument adds up.

covbromsgrove · Aug 22, 2019

I agree with FB I don't wish to go back to the Ricoh.

The problem is for Fisher, does he actually have any cash or does he solely rely on SISU? Is he independent in his actions or does Joy completely control him? Why have they not sort after other investors if they don't have funds? On occasions I've been to Solihull Moors and they have built a new stand within two months, so surely if the land can be acquired a stadium of sorts could be built in a season.

fernandopartridge · Aug 22, 2019

Tommo1993 said:
There is no new ground being built. When were the plans first revealed, 2013? 6 years later those in charge are STILL talking shit along with two other parties.

If you “don’t want” us back at the Ricoh, you’re fucking mad.

I'd suggest most people (myself included) don't want to play tenant at the Ricoh to the franchise rugby club, but would accept returning there as an interim measure whilst our own home is built in the city.

Limey · Aug 22, 2019

clint van damme said:
I don't know anything about pitches but is there anything the owners could do, employ extra ground staff etc or is it simply a fact that having rugby games on there causes issues?
What are the pitches like at other stadium where both sports are played?

I asked the same question to our old groundsman. He said constant maintenance (which costs money). Obviously effort and money was just not there to do so.

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