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dutchman · Apr 3, 2018

BREAKING: British scientists CAN'T PROVE Russia was behind Sergei Skripal poisoning

Porton Down, Britain's leading chemical weapons research institution, has not been able to conclusively prove that Russia was to blame for the poisoning of Skripal, 66, and Yulia, 33.

Prime Minister Theresa May has repeatedly insisted that Russia was “highly likely” to be responsible for the attack in Salisbury on March 4.

But Gary Aitkenhead, chief executive of Porton Down's Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL), has thrown the certainly of her assertions into doubt.

His team at Porton Down, whose analysis of the nerve agent has been crucial to Britain's case, hasn't been able to figure out where the lethal chemical, called Novichok, came from.

Otis · Apr 3, 2018

dutchman said:
BREAKING: British scientists CAN'T PROVE Russia was behind Sergei Skripal poisoning

Porton Down, Britain's leading chemical weapons research institution, has not been able to conclusively prove that Russia was to blame for the poisoning of Skripal, 66, and Yulia, 33.

Prime Minister Theresa May has repeatedly insisted that Russia was “highly likely” to be responsible for the attack in Salisbury on March 4.

But Gary Aitkenhead, chief executive of Porton Down's Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL), has thrown the certainly of her assertions into doubt.

His team at Porton Down, whose analysis of the nerve agent has been crucial to Britain's case, hasn't been able to figure out where the lethal chemical, called Novichok, came from.

They need to speak to the man on the street. We all know it came from the door handle.

Grendel · Apr 3, 2018

Quality source there I see - has this been reported anywhere but that comic?

Terry Gibson's perm · Apr 3, 2018

Otis said:
They need to speak to the man on the street. We all know it came from the door handle.

Just watch out when you open the door at home with Mrs Otis about

Otis · Apr 3, 2018

Beeb are reporting the same thing too.

Terry Gibson's perm · Apr 3, 2018

Otis said:
Beeb are reporting the same thing too.

It’s lucky this government has thrown them a load of cash recently otherwise we might have found even less out if that’s possible

Otis · Apr 3, 2018

Terry Gibson's perm said:
Just watch out when you open the door at home with Mrs Otis about

One step ahead, TGP. I have had every door in the house removed and replaced them with these.

Terry Gibson's perm · Apr 3, 2018

Otis said:
One step ahead, TGP. I have had every door in the house removed and replaced them with these.View attachment 9394

My word that takes me back

Otis · Apr 3, 2018

Terry Gibson's perm said:
My word that takes me back

You used to run a brothel?

Terry Gibson's perm · Apr 3, 2018

Otis said:
You used to run a brothel?

That’s where I know you from

Otis · Apr 3, 2018

Terry Gibson's perm said:
That’s where I know you from

Yep, that's me. Nobcheese Pete.

Grendel · Apr 3, 2018

Otis said:
Beeb are reporting the same thing too.

It isn’t it’s saying it’s likely to be an agent acting for a state

Terry Gibson's perm · Apr 3, 2018

Otis said:
Yep, that's me. Nobcheese Pete.

I am sure they had them at come local shops in the 80’s like the vg and my neighbours had them when I was a little boy

dutchman · Apr 3, 2018

Grendel said:
Quality source there I see - has this been reported anywhere but that comic?

Experts CANNOT confirm nerve agent used to poison spy was from Russia | Daily Mail Online
Porton Down experts unable to identify 'precise source' of novichok that poisoned spy
Source of nerve agent 'not identified '
Porton Down experts NOT able to prove Salisbury nerve agent was Russia made
Porton Down experts unable to verify 'precise source of novichok'
Porton Down Laboratory Unable To Identify 'Precise Source' Of Nerve Agent That Poisoned Spy
Salisbury nerve agent 'probably state made' but Porton Down scientists unable to say it came from Russia

Grendel · Apr 3, 2018

dutchman said:
Experts CANNOT confirm nerve agent used to poison spy was from Russia | Daily Mail Online
Porton Down experts unable to identify 'precise source' of novichok that poisoned spy
Source of nerve agent 'not identified '
Porton Down experts NOT able to prove Salisbury nerve agent was Russia made
Porton Down experts unable to verify 'precise source of novichok'
Porton Down Laboratory Unable To Identify 'Precise Source' Of Nerve Agent That Poisoned Spy
Salisbury nerve agent 'probably state made' but Porton Down scientists unable to say it came from Russia

Which all pretty much confirm if was Russia

wingy · Apr 3, 2018

Grendel said:
Quality source there I see - has this been reported anywhere but that comic?

Yes Sky etc!

wingy · Apr 3, 2018

Grendel said:
Which all pretty much confirm if was Russia

Only inteligence 'Suggest' it is Russia .
There apparently is no known antidote.
I really have to say it's pretty incredible that the intrusive British press haven't managed a photo call or tv interview with the recovering Yulia.
The confidential meetings in the Hague tommorow are going to bring a bit more focus on our inteligence input.

Otis · Apr 3, 2018

Grendel said:
Which all pretty much confirm if was Russia

Not sure I'd want you on the jury of a murder trial, Grendel.

Sick Boy · Apr 3, 2018

wingy said:
Only inteligence 'Suggest' it is Russia .
There apparently is no known antidote.
I really have to say it's pretty incredible that the intrusive British press haven't managed a photo call or tv interview with the recovering Yulia.
The confidential meetings in the Hague tommorow are going to bring a bit more focus on our inteligence input.

It makes you wonder if JC made the right call before getting taken apart in the press

wingy · Apr 3, 2018

It just looks like getting in first before the Hague meeting in the morning.
Does he say that the EU position of supporting UK action based on our 'Inteligence' makes it more accurate?

Grendel · Apr 3, 2018

Otis said:
Not sure I'd want you on the jury of a murder trial, Grendel.

This isn’t a trial is it. There will be a lot of discussion behind closed doors with other countries and their responses show all you need to know.

No doubt you also doubt Litvenko was assassinated by a Soviet Agent

Grendel · Apr 3, 2018

Sick Boy said:
It makes you wonder if JC made the right call before getting taken apart in the press

No he clearly didn’t as the response of the global community proved. That one single act actually is what proved him unfit for leadership.

Otis · Apr 3, 2018

Grendel said:
This isn’t a trial is it. There will be a lot of discussion behind closed doors with other countries and their responses show all you need to know.

No doubt you also doubt Litvenko was assassinated by a Soviet Agent

I don't.

Don't think you can go around though saying stuff like 'highly likely.'

My missus watches Russian TV all day and they are doing nothing but laugh as us at the moment.

I too think it was the Russians, but where's the proof? Can you actually act on something without certainty?

Johnnythespider · Apr 3, 2018

Grendel said:
Quality source there I see - has this been reported anywhere but that comic?

Completely contradicting Boris who stated that a top scientist at Porton Down had confirmed to him it was from Russia, he's either lying or even dimmer than I've given him credit for. If the rest of the world has based it's decision to expel Russian diplomats on Boris's information we are the laughing stock of the world.

Grendel · Apr 3, 2018

Otis said:
I don't.

Don't think you can go around though saying stuff like 'highly likely.'

My missus watches Russian TV all day and they are doing nothing but laugh as us at the moment.

I too think it was the Russians, but where's the proof? Can you actually act on something without certainty?

What proof would you want?

The Russians of course will laugh because Putin needs to demonstrate some strength and power and these sort of rather pointless acts of criminality are the only way he can do so.

I do find this amusing though as you once said Ken Livingstone was not a supporter of hitter as he said he wasn’t.

Talking about murder trials on that basis were you one of those who didn’t find Ian Huntley guilty. After all he can’t be - Ian said he didn’t do it.

skybluetony176 · Apr 3, 2018

All of a sudden the character assassination of Corbyn that’s gone into overdrive the last week suddenly makes sense.

martcov · Apr 3, 2018

Sick Boy said:
It makes you wonder if JC made the right call before getting taken apart in the press

I heard a scientist on the radio saying that they can pinpoint where the potassium comes from according to isotopes. Each area in the world where potassium is found is different. If that is so, they must now know where it originated from. I can’t help thinking we’ve been set up.

skybluetony176 · Apr 3, 2018

Johnnythespider said:
Completely contradicting Boris who stated that a top scientist at Porton Down had confirmed to him it was from Russia, he's either lying or even dimmer than I've given him credit for. If the rest of the world has based it's decision to expel Russian diplomats on Boris's information we are the laughing stock of the world.

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He’s certainly no statesman. A statesman would have collated all the relevant evidence and then acted on facts instead of some knee jerk phoney show of “strength”.

Now who suggested that?

Grendel · Apr 3, 2018

martcov said:
I heard a scientist on the radio saying that they can pinpoint where the potassium comes from according to isotopes. Each area in the world where potassium is found is different. If that is so, they must now know where it originated from. I can’t help thinking we’ve been set up.

Well it’s fooled the whole of Europe then hasn’t it?

wingy · Apr 3, 2018

Terry Gibson's perm said:
I am sure they had them at come local shops in the 80’s like the vg and my neighbours had them when I was a little boy

Haha you pair are making me reminice and chuckle.
Notable mention of the VG brand there .

dutchman · Apr 3, 2018

Grendel said:
The Russians of course will laugh because Putin needs to demonstrate some strength and power and these sort of rather pointless acts of criminality are the only way he can do so.

Last I read Putin was miles ahead in the polls whereas May is clinging to power by her fingernails. If anybody needs a demonstration of power it's May.

Otis · Apr 3, 2018

Grendel said:
What proof would you want?

The Russians of course will laugh because Putin needs to demonstrate some strength and power and these sort of rather pointless acts of criminality are the only way he can do so.

I do find this amusing though as you once said Ken Livingstone was not a supporter of hitter as he said he wasn’t.

Talking about murder trials on that basis were you one of those who didn’t find Ian Huntley guilty. After all he can’t be - Ian said he didn’t do it.

Daft analogy. DNA evidence proved Huntley was guilty. Lots of forensic evidence such as the fibres from the girls' Man U tops being on nis clothing.There was two way transfer of fibres that proved significant physical contact between Huntley and the girls. Lots of evidence.

I can only relay what my missus tells me, cos I don't speak Russian, but they are saying the scientist bloke who made this Novichok agent left the Soviet Union and went to the US and it could have been reproduced elsewhere.

I did look that up and there have been claims that how to make Novichok was indeed released on the internet.

Not saying I believe that and me and my missus have had a right old ding dong about it, because I have been saying it must be the Russians, but from an in high political standpoint I believe you have to have more certainty than 'highly likely.'

Grendel · Apr 3, 2018

dutchman said:
Last I read Putin was miles ahead in the polls whereas May is clinging to power by her fingernails. If anybody needs a demonstration of power it's May.

Sadly May doesn’t have the option of murdering political opponents or throwing them in a gulag on trumped up charges.

skybluetony176 · Apr 3, 2018

Grendel said:
No he clearly didn’t as the response of the global community proved. That one single act actually is what proved him unfit for leadership.

Was the response of the global community based on supposition and presumed facts sold to them by Boris and May or actual facts?

It will be interesting to see how the global community responds to the now known facts. This potentially has diplomatic disaster written all over it and if that happens a more cautious approach as suggested by someone else instead of a all guns blazing will be proven to be the right course of action.

martcov · Apr 3, 2018

Grendel said:
Well it’s fooled the whole of Europe then hasn’t it?

Apparently.

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