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[Irish Sky Blue]

Brought mine and the lads last week so forget them...
it's gonna be a race to see who fucks the club quickest sisu or nopm agenda.


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Sisu have their own NOPM agenda but still expect fans to pay.

 

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[Sky Blue Kid]

Sisu have their own NOPM agenda but still expect fans to pay.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Anyone know how many ST have been sold so far?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Yep we are suffering, next year we will have a good budget for one year, after that our budget will decline until we are relegated again. For me we have one year maybe two to get out of this league

Fisher said we would have a top 8 budget in League 2. Would you consider this a good budget?

 

[ccfcway]

Fisher said we would have a top 8 budget in League 2. Would you consider this a good budget?

And with a manger with a reputation which has to be higher than 8th best manager in league two, coupled with a top 8 number of season ticket holders, for once, it won't be SISU's fault if we dont at least get into the play offs next year

 

[Adge]

And with a manger with a reputation which has to be higher than 8th best manager in league two, coupled with a top 8 number of season ticket holders, for once, it won't be SISU's fault if we dont at least get into the play offs next year

But is their fault we are there in the first place!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

And with a manger with a reputation which has to be higher than 8th best manager in league two, coupled with a top 8 number of season ticket holders, for once, it won't be SISU's fault if we dont at least get into the play offs next year

Hmmm I dunno, the team manager's still got to override 20 years of club mismanagement. Dn't get me wrong, for once I'm worryingly optimistic, but I also won't be shocked if lower midtable is where we end up.

 

[ccfcway]

But is their fault we are there in the first place!

Completely agree with that

 

[ccfcway]

Hmmm I dunno, the team manager's still got to override 20 years of club mismanagement. Dn't get me wrong, for once I'm worryingly optimistic, but I also won't be shocked if lower midtable is where we end up.

and in which case, robins has failed and will go, and we start all over again

 

[Deleted member 5849]

and in which case, robins has failed and will go, and we start all over again

And I wouldn't say he has failed... but that'sa debate for (yet another!) thread rather than this one.

One good(?) thing of our decline is we've (generally!) got more tolerant of managers then we were. Just hope this continues if we're lower mid table after 10 games, as there'll still be plenty of time for us to rise up the table.

 

[skybluetony176]

And with a manger with a reputation which has to be higher than 8th best manager in league two, coupled with a top 8 number of season ticket holders, for once, it won't be SISU's fault if we dont at least get into the play offs next year

I think Robins best ever finish in any league is 9th and that was league 2 so not sure how he's earned a better than 8th place manager in reputation status.

I like the look of the squad he's starting to put together and rate him as a manager. But he's working in a very toxic environment which is SISU's fault so I wouldn't be expecting playoffs at least myself. I'm hoping and hopeful in equal measures but he has a big mountain to climb.

 

[Porkchophill]

Might be a silly question but how are season ticket sales going ?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Might be a silly question but how are season ticket sales going ?

/awaits the next 70 pages of debate

 

[ccfcway]

I think Robins best ever finish in any league is 9th and that was league 2 so not sure how he's earned a better than 8th place manager in reputation status.

feel free to list 8 better managers in league two than Robins ?

 

[ccfchoi87]

Fisher said we would have a top 8 budget in League 2. Would you consider this a good budget?

Good enough to have a crack at the play offs certainly

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Good enough to have a crack at the play offs certainly

Hasn't that been said on here for the last 4-5 seasons?

 

[ccfchoi87]

Hasn't that been said on here for the last 4-5 seasons?

Well I think points deductions, shit managers and playing at sixfields hindered any sort of promotion push when we would've had a big budget in league 1. This year there isn't really an excuse (no doubt something will throw a spanner in the works during pre season). Mowbray 2 years ago assembled the best team in the league on whatever budget he had. He failed to get them promoted and now we're here.

 

[skybluetony176]

feel free to list 8 better managers in league two than Robins ?

I think you're being very naive and possibly disrespectful to assume there aren't eight better managers in league 2. If you consider that there are two managers with true playoff credentials likely to be starting next season in league 2, then there's the teams who came down with us, Port vale have given the caretaker manager who gave them a higher finish than us the job full time, Swindon are on the look out for a new manager and you'd have to say that is probably an attractive job at this level so chances are that they are going to appoint someone half decent at this level, then you have the managers who have just gained promotion to league two. You also have to consider that the final table can be irrelevant to the quality of the manager. Many managers in the league will have overachieved given their resources, does that make them a better or worse manager than a manager who has superior budget, facilities, team on paper etc. but only does marginally better?

Let's face it MR is going to have to overachieve for us to finish in the top 8 even if we do end up with a top 8 budget there's a massive load of toxicity at the club he's going to have to overcome. If we end the season in the top 8 I'll be delighted and pore every accolade on him I can muster. If we don't I'll probably still be defending him (within reason) because I understand what a difficult job he has. Will you? Insisting that we'll have a top 8 finish because we have no ne of the top 8 managers in the league seems to me is setting yourself up for a fall.

We saw all this with TM. People didn't keep themselves grounded to the reality of our situation, jumped on anyone who wouldn't accept he's the messiah who would perform miracles and many of who were also the first to call him a very naughty boy.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Good enough to have a crack at the play offs certainly

Is that good enough for a club with our tradition and potential? I don't think it is. Nothing to do with thinking that we are better than the league we are in, just annoyance that Sisu have taken us to this level and that an upper mid table budget in the bottom League of English football is considered "good".

 

[Cavan O'Doherty]

I think you're being very naive and possibly disrespectful to assume there aren't eight better managers in league 2. If you consider that there are two managers with true playoff credentials likely to be starting next season in league 2, then there's the teams who came down with us, Port vale have given the caretaker manager who gave them a higher finish than us the job full time, Swindon are on the look out for a new manager and you'd have to say that is probably an attractive job at this level so chances are that they are going to appoint someone half decent at this level, then you have the managers who have just gained promotion to league two. You also have to consider that the final table can be irrelevant to the quality of the manager. Many managers in the league will have overachieved given their resources, does that make them a better or worse manager than a manager who has superior budget, facilities, team on paper etc. but only does marginally better?

Let's face it MR is going to have to overachieve for us to finish in the top 8 even if we do end up with a top 8 budget there's a massive load of toxicity at the club he's going to have to overcome. If we end the season in the top 8 I'll be delighted and pore every accolade on him I can muster. If we don't I'll probably still be defending him (within reason) because I understand what a difficult job he has. Will you? Insisting that we'll have a top 8 finish because we have no ne of the top 8 managers in the league seems to me is setting yourself up for a fall.

We saw all this with TM. People didn't keep themselves grounded to the reality of our situation, jumped on anyone who wouldn't accept he's the messiah who would perform miracles and many of who were also the first to call him a very naughty boy.

How is anything but promotion considered a success? I for one will be outraged if we don't finish in the top 3 or go up via the play offs. I feel like that could be it for us if we don't go up at the first time of asking.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

How is anything but promotion considered a success? I for one will be outraged if we don't finish in the top 3 or go up via the play offs. I feel like that could be it for us if we don't go up at the first time of asking.

A success for the manager, not for the club.

 

[skybluetony176]

How is anything but promotion considered a success? I for one will be outraged if we don't finish in the top 3 or go up via the play offs. I feel like that could be it for us if we don't go up at the first time of asking.

We're up against it next season under the current status quo. Uncommitted owners, uncommitted fan base, faceless and aimless in the boardroom, on the slide, uncertainty over every aspect of the club. We're a mess. It staggers me that people can't see this and that it's not an environment that promotes success. Personally I'll take anything top half of the table as success myself. In the current environment at the club I have a real fear that we're in for another relegation fight. Especially if we don't start well.

 

[Cavan O'Doherty]

We're up against it next season under the current status quo. Uncommitted owners, uncommitted fan base, faceless and aimless in the boardroom, on the slide, uncertainty over every aspect of the club. We're a mess. It staggers me that people can't see this and that it's not an environment that promotes success. Personally I'll take anything top half of the table as success myself. In the current environment at the club I have a real fear that we're in for another relegation fight. Especially if we don't start well.

I don't think our expectations should be lower though. Surely that's what they want, for you to except mediocrity(at best)

 

[ccfcway]

I think you're being very naive and possibly disrespectful to assume there aren't eight better managers in league 2. If you consider that there are two managers with true playoff credentials likely to be starting next season in league 2, then there's the teams who came down with us, Port vale have given the caretaker manager who gave them a higher finish than us the job full time, Swindon are on the look out for a new manager and you'd have to say that is probably an attractive job at this level so chances are that they are going to appoint someone half decent at this level, then you have the managers who have just gained promotion to league two..

what you have just done is call me naïve, then list.....

2 managers with play off credentials,
2 teams relegated with us
2 managers who were non league last season.

Even giving you all those (which i would argue against) that's 6

 

[Adge]

We're up against it next season under the current status quo. Uncommitted owners, uncommitted fan base, faceless and aimless in the boardroom, on the slide, uncertainty over every aspect of the club. We're a mess. It staggers me that people can't see this and that it's not an environment that promotes success. Personally I'll take anything top half of the table as success myself. In the current environment at the club I have a real fear that we're in for another relegation fight. Especially if we don't start well.

I wouldn't say top half of the table would be considered successful. In truth though it might be reality come next May.

 

[skybluetony176]

what you have just done is call me naïve, then list.....

2 managers with play off credentials,
2 teams relegated with us
2 managers who were non league last season.

Even giving you all those (which i would argue against) that's 6

I also gave you managers that overachieve. MR could well be one of those managers next season all things considered and still finish mid table. But if you've set the bar at top 8 or we're shit before we even know our starting line up, how strong other teams are going to be, who all the other confirmed managers are you could in fact be writing MR's off as a failure with the bar you're setting before a ball has even been kicked let alone before the season has played out and you have considered everything that has happened during the season on and off the pitch and what effect this has had on MR's ability to deliver and the wider playing staff and team.

They'll be twists and turns next season on and off the field. Some will effect the team, some won't. Some effects may be positive, some won't. I'll judge MR's abilities on balance as the season progresses.

 

[skybluetony176]

I wouldn't say top half of the table would be considered successful. In truth though it might be reality come next May.

On balance at the end of the season it may prove to be just that though.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Might be a silly question but how are season ticket sales going ?

The question should be , how many season tickets need to BE SOLD for a top EIGHT BUDGET ?

 

[ccfcway]

I also gave you managers that overachieve. MR could well be one of those managers next season all things considered and still finish mid table. But if you've set the bar at top 8 or we're shit before we even know our starting line up, how strong other teams are going to be, who all the other confirmed managers are you could in fact be writing MR's off as a failure with the bar you're setting before a ball has even been kicked let alone before the season has played out and you have considered everything that has happened during the season on and off the pitch and what effect this has had on MR's ability to deliver and the wider playing staff and team.

They'll be twists and turns next season on and off the field. Some will effect the team, some won't. Some effects may be positive, some won't. I'll judge MR's abilities on balance as the season progresses.

so there "might be" a circumstance where 9th in league two Is a decent season for us ?

 

[Grendel]

Ignoring someone on here makes some threads confusing but I assume Tony is doing his Nursey from Blackadder disguised as a cow routine and making a total c**t of himself

 

[wingy]

The question should be , how many season tickets need to BE SOLD for a top EIGHT BUDGET ?

About 3000?

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

About 3000?

Mid table it is then . :facepalm:

 

[clint van damme]

Mid table it is then . :facepalm:

rising to 30,000 if we're in the top 2 at Christmas.

 

[Liquid Gold]

rising to 30,000 if we're in the top 2 at Christmas.

Not One Penny Mo-oh we're doing well I might go up.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Nearly 1600 sold according to Facebook not sure if that is anywhere near where we were this time last season?