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James Smith

James Smith

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Rich said:
Surely 1 direction must've accomplished this? By god they are talentless when it comes to singing. Please don't tell me someone writes that garbage for them? ;)
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Well the songs LIVE WHILE WE'RE YOUNG and WHAT MAKES YOU BEAUTIFUL were written by YACOUB R/FALK C/KOTECHA S, so unless the band write under pseudonyms I'd guess it's not them.
 
Nonleagueherewecome

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Grendel said:
For the record, the only thing Joy Division influenced me to do was reach for the off switch.

Overrated and shit.
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What can I say...I didn't think you could go down in my estimation any further, but with this you manage to. FFS who prefers steaming shite like Marillion to Joy Division? Are you deaf?!?



Queen are pretty terrible though IMO. If they're influential, it certainly isn't upon anyone who's any good-oh, aside from that Family Guy episode where Stewie is scared of an album cover. That's quite good. Foo Fighters are very much the overly commercial career-betraying afterbirth of Nirvana. And Queen certainly aren't as critically acclaimed as some claim on here. They're very naff.
 
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hill83

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Joy Division said:
I'd just ignore it if I were you. Was a joke.

Do you like Marillion by any change?
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Fair enough. I'd never heard of them until now to be honest, only time I hear that sort of music is when I'm steaming in Scholars.
I'd rather be listening to some mid to late 90s hip-hop or be off my tits in Ibiza.
Saying that, I went to Download Festival last year and Metallica and Black Sabbath were quality.
 
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Monners

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valiant15 said:
Didn't new order(joy division) kick off all that Ibiza music scene in the early 80s??
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They (or Tony Parsons - their manager - I think) used their funding for the Hacienda in Madchester, and promoted the Happy Mondays etc.. So I suppose they did really
 
James Smith

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Rich said:
YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS?

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Erm yes, I am although to be fair to OD they do get credits on some of the songs along with the other composers. I've no idea which bits they wrote and there is no suggestion at all that they are vanity credits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rami_Yacoub
 
stupot07

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Joy Divisions - Closer album is a masterpiece.


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Joy Division

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hill83 said:
Fair enough. I'd never heard of them until now to be honest, only time I hear that sort of music is when I'm steaming in Scholars.
I'd rather be listening to some mid to late 90s hip-hop or be off my tits in Ibiza.
Saying that, I went to Download Festival last year and Metallica and Black Sabbath were quality.
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Different tastes an all that, which is perfectly fine.

That music that you are listening to whilst off your tits in Ibiza...., that whole scene was pioneered by New Order at places like the Hacienda in the 1980's born from the band Joy Division. That's influence in a sense of music and culture defining that Queen have never done.
 
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Monners

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stupot07 said:
Joy Divisions - Closer album is a masterpiece.


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Indeed it is - listened to it again the other week and still awesome. You can hear where it influenced others over the years. Film isn't bad either
 
hill83

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valiant15 said:
Didn't new order(joy division) kick off all that Ibiza music scene in the early 80s??
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Monners said:
They (or Tony Parsons - their manager - I think) used their funding for the Hacienda in Madchester, and promoted the Happy Mondays etc.. So I suppose they did really
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Joy Division said:
Different tastes an all that, which is perfectly fine.

That music that you are listening to whilst off your tits in Ibiza...., that whole scene was pioneered by New Order at places like the Hacienda in the 1980's born from the band Joy Division. That's influence in a sense of music and culture defining that Queen have never done.
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There you go, you learn something new everyday. :D
 
stupot07

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Joy Division said:
Different tastes an all that, which is perfectly fine.

That music that you are listening to whilst off your tits in Ibiza...., that whole scene was pioneered by New Order at places like the Hacienda in the 1980's born from the band Joy Division. That's influence in a sense of music and culture defining that Queen have never done.
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And kraftwork in the 70's


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Nonleagueherewecome

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Joy Division said:
Different tastes an all that, which is perfectly fine.

That music that you are listening to whilst off your tits in Ibiza...., that whole scene was pioneered by New Order at places like the Hacienda in the 1980's born from the band Joy Division. That's influence in a sense of music and culture defining that Queen have never done.
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Creating an entire genre: that's pretty influential :D
 
Paxman II

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Wow a music thread! Or was that something about the stadium?

Ok back on point because to get involved in the 80's music scene again for me is too good a memory.

people need to realise before they consider SISU would not build a stadium due to cost that such a stadium would most likely be built by a developer of a site. Money would pour in from all over. SISU's outlay would in fact be small. They would end up the owners with a mortgaged freehold property or even a 125 year lease. The projection for such a mortgage or lease is less than the 1.2m they were paying for renting the Ricoh pitch! This time the income of everything they do is theirs. beginning to make more sense?

For me though I still believe the part ownership or long lease interest in the Ricoh is the more viable option for them. But don't rule out a new stadium, far from it. The modular design is easy in concept and built to speed, can be increased in capacity during a close season.
Perhaps ACL need to realise they may have another stadium competing for business with them in a few years time and the football club would be the big headline grabber that ACL could not offer.

What I want is a sensible council work something out with the football club for the long term and offer SISU a clear exit strategy they could live with while the stadium is always in the football clubs hands whoever own the football club from time to time. In other words a clause that stipulates an owner can not sell the stadium interest without the football club.
 
Nonleagueherewecome

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stupot07 said:
And kraftwork in the 70's


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They were the true originals, and there are plenty of others in between, but New Order and The Hacienda scene were the beginning of modern dance music-in this country at least.
 
Nonleagueherewecome

Nonleagueherewecome

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Paxman II said:
Wow a music thread! Or was that something about the stadium?

Ok back on point because to get involved in the 80's music scene again for me is too good a memory.

people need to realise before they consider SISU would not build a stadium due to cost that such a stadium would most likely be built by a developer of a site. Money would pour in from all over. SISU's outlay would in fact be small. They would end up the owners with a mortgaged freehold property or even a 125 year lease. The projection for such a mortgage or lease is less than the 1.2m they were paying for renting the Ricoh pitch! This time the income of everything they do is theirs. beginning to make more sense?

For me though I still believe the part ownership or long lease interest in the Ricoh is the more viable option for them. But don't rule out a new stadium, far from it. The modular design is easy in concept and built to speed, can be increased in capacity during a close season.
Perhaps ACL need to realise they may have another stadium competing for business with them in a few years time and the football club would be the big headline grabber that ACL could not offer.

What I want is a sensible council work something out with the football club for the long term and offer SISU a clear exit strategy they could live with while the stadium is always in the football clubs hands whoever own the football club from time to time. In other words a clause that stipulates an owner can not sell the stadium interest without the football club.
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That's all well and good, but what do you think about the merits of Queen and Joy Division?
 
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Monners

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Shouldn't forget the likes of Tubeway Army, Classix Neaveux and Depeche Mode either - Oh for the late 70's early 80's again (musically, football of course - not politics). Quite like a lot the Queen "stuff" as well by the way
 
Moff

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Monners said:
They (or Tony Parsons - their manager - I think) used their funding for the Hacienda in Madchester, and promoted the Happy Mondays etc.. So I suppose they did really
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Ah the Hacienda...happy memories of a couple of nights out there, although at the time I was having too much of a good time to remember anything.

The manager was Tony Wilson, the man who managed to lose money on New Orders Blue Monday the best selling 12 inch of all time by making the cover of the disc more expensive than the sale price....mad!

A great time which seemed to start off with the music of Joy Division. For anyone interested in that period a good film to watch is 24 Hour party people, which is based on Wilsons life during that era, with Steve Coogan playing Wilson, and covering the time from Joy Division, to the closure of the Hacienda.

Sorry a bit off topic!
 
KG7

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There's 1 Queen song that I like and that's Too Much Love Will Kill You. It's the only one of their songs that has an emotional truth to it, although even that cranks up a bit on the chorus. They went for showmanship and commercialism over expression and artistic merit. On the contrary, emotional truth and expression seep out of every Joy Division song. Sometimes they're too much for me but I would always choose them over Queen, and would never ever put a Queen track on out of choice - they make my stomach turn.

Whilst the fact about each member of the band having four number one hits is impressive (in a sense), to me it says more about them understanding the mechanics of what makes a song a commercial success rather than what makes a song good.
 
Nonleagueherewecome

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Moff said:
Ah the Hacienda...happy memories of a couple of nights out there, although at the time I was having too much of a good time to remember anything.

The manager was Tony Wilson, the man who managed to lose money on New Orders Blue Monday the best selling 12 inch of all time by making the cover of the disc more expensive than the sale price....mad!

A great time which seemed to start off with the music of Joy Division. For anyone interested in that period a good film to watch is 24 Hour party people, which is based on Wilsons life during that era, with Steve Coogan playing Wilson, and covering the time from Joy Division, to the closure of the Hacienda.

Sorry a bit off topic!
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Bang on-topic, fella!

I was going to mention 24 Hour Party People. Soundtrack's great, too. I now have Voodoo Ray in my head :D


I often wondered whether this Fall track was partly about Tony Wilson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=j_Et2w-LjBc#t=288
 
stupot07

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Cracking film that.

I've notice human traffic is on love film....


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Nonleagueherewecome

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stupot07 said:
Cracking film that.

I've notice human traffic is on love film....


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Human Traffic is also great. It's aged a bit, but so it should as something that is so of it's time!
 
duffer

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Paxman II said:
Wow a music thread! Or was that something about the stadium?

Ok back on point because to get involved in the 80's music scene again for me is too good a memory.

people need to realise before they consider SISU would not build a stadium due to cost that such a stadium would most likely be built by a developer of a site. Money would pour in from all over. SISU's outlay would in fact be small. They would end up the owners with a mortgaged freehold property or even a 125 year lease. The projection for such a mortgage or lease is less than the 1.2m they were paying for renting the Ricoh pitch! This time the income of everything they do is theirs. beginning to make more sense?

For me though I still believe the part ownership or long lease interest in the Ricoh is the more viable option for them. But don't rule out a new stadium, far from it. The modular design is easy in concept and built to speed, can be increased in capacity during a close season.
Perhaps ACL need to realise they may have another stadium competing for business with them in a few years time and the football club would be the big headline grabber that ACL could not offer.

What I want is a sensible council work something out with the football club for the long term and offer SISU a clear exit strategy they could live with while the stadium is always in the football clubs hands whoever own the football club from time to time. In other words a clause that stipulates an owner can not sell the stadium interest without the football club.
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Some intersting points there, but I'm not sure about money pouring in...

In any case, Joy herself said 40% equity, 60% debt.

On a £20m stadium that leaves £12m for the club to find.

Even at 3% p.a. that's £800,000 per year over 20 years if I've done my figures correctly.

Even without considering the losses that are currently mounting up, and the losses that are already there, that's a lot of money to find from a much smaller set of customers. Can't see how it works myself.
 
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Godiva

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duffer said:
Some intersting points there, but I'm not sure about money pouring in...

In any case, Joy herself said 40% equity, 60% debt.

On a £20m stadium that leaves £12m for the club to find.

Even at 3% p.a. that's £800,000 per year over 20 years if I've done my figures correctly.

Even without considering the losses that are currently mounting up, and the losses that are already there, that's a lot of money to find from a much smaller set of customers. Can't see how it works myself.
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Some of that can be profit from selling of land and leases.
 
Astute

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hill83 said:
I don't believe it does make economic sense, but that doesn't mean that without a doubt it won't be built.
Basically let's wait and see rather than steaming in.
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You could be right Hill. They don't seem to be any good at economic sense.
 
Astute

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matesx said:
20,000 would be the ideal size

build it in modular form so that it can easily be increased if the need ever arises
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And reduced in size if we don't go back.
 
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