ajsccfc
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I'm sure they don't, but at the moment Coventry City are very much in existence and people are still apparently working to get things back to how they should be.
Do you think any fans of the various clubs who have gone under and been reborn feel like they've transferred allegiance? I doubt it.
No one is saying drop the fight. It is a contingency plan but its looking more likely to have to be a reality.
Do you think any fans of the various clubs who have gone under and been reborn feel like they've transferred allegiance? I doubt it. I also suspect that with a strong campaign in the city and serious backing a large majority of fans would prefer to support the new club.
I still feel like the various conversations that are happening about a new club are lacking in focus here, though. Lots of people are sceptical about it working (which is fine, nothing is guaranteed) or being a good idea (also, there's no way of knowing it it really is the best path yet), but I think we ought to start polling for the most important things that fans want to see in a new club. The values of the club, how it's organised (we don't want to ever find ourselves in this situation again, do we?), how to finance it etc. etc. I would still prefer the club to be named ‘City of Coventry Football Club’ rather than ‘Coventry 1883’, for example, but I'm sure that's nowhere near as important for everyone.
So how about that — focus on adding your tuppence on what you'd like in a new club, rather than debating if it should/could even happen?
I think that's probably the main part where we disagree, I just can't take the talk of a new stadium seriously or the idea of a permanent franchise relocation. Of course I didn't take the Northampton move and Ricoh boycott seriously too and that's reality, so all the best with whatever you plan.
I don't have a problem with it being in the coventry area to be honest. Just outside is fine. It could even end up being closer to Earlsdon than the Ricoh.
I do have a problem with it being Sisu planning it.
I guess it depends where and how far out of Coventry.
I'm sure they don't, but at the moment Coventry City are very much in existence and people are still apparently working to get things back to how they should be.
If it succeeds, great — it becomes unnecessary. But I think given that any new club would have to wait until 2014-2015 to play means we should be planning all the same.
Hell, if you got all the pieces into position you could theoretically go to SISU and say: we're going to do this unless you sell up / move back to the Ricoh.
Spionkop, yes their has been discussions and groundwork done on a number of scenarios, hence the recent vote for rule change. But the focus has to be on Coventry playing in Coventry until we (members and fans) honestly believe that that is a hopeless cause.
If it succeeds, great — it becomes unnecessary. But I think given that any new club would have to wait until 2014-2015 to play means we should be planning all the same.
Hell, if you got all the pieces into position you could theoretically go to SISU and say: we're going to do this unless you sell up / move back to the Ricoh.
Think this is exactly the point. If nothing else it's another means of applying pressure and should be used.
Consider my protest withdrawn. I'll never follow a different team, but I do like this bargaining chip tactic.
Consider my protest withdrawn. I'll never follow a different team, but I do like this bargaining chip tactic.
Ribbons and banners on the Ring Road are fine and I applaud the people who did that. Well done. But I doubt it will sway Sisu. They are only driven by money.
One question, at what point do we give up so to speak? Christmas, 1 year, 2 years, 3 years at Northampton etc.
My point is if this goes on and on what will happen is that people and genuine fans will no longer give a shit about watching football on a Saturday afternoon as they will be doing different things and then you lose more supporters. At some point we have to say enough is enough and quite franky Tim stating that the new ground will be close to Coventry is frankly not good enough.
Are you on the Trust board TurkeyTrot?
Yes I am, I'm the membership secretary
Kapowaz, some good points.
The Trust should be openly discussing the 'possibility' of a reborn CCFC, if only to make it abundantly clear to SISU that we have a BIG alternative.
Nobody really wants to give up on CCFC yet. But you are spot on. It would still be OUR club, we'd have to spell it out. This would be CCFC fans TAKING BACK their club. With all the history.
Sure, if we can apply pressure to get back from Sixfields, then great.
Ribbons and banners on the Ring Road are fine and I applaud the people who did that. Well done. But I doubt it will sway Sisu. They are only driven by money.
I don't share Turkeytrot's optimism I'm afraid. But he's/she's right, we can work together. We have a lot of power uniting as one.
A reborn CCFC has to be on the agenda. It might be that if the FA/FL become aware of the growing call, they'll have a rethink. They'll see that it puts the Sisu project (if it exists) into serious jeopardy.
surely a new club could kick off until next season anyway.....so the priority has to remain Cov in Cov....new club last resort next year if things dont change (or deteriate!)
The feeling is if we took that decision to put this route to our members it would be done with a heavy heart and we would have to be absolutely sure all avenues had been explored and all doors shut before a massive decision like this was made. We're all aware of timing so if something was to happen it would be done in plenty of time.What is the feeling amongst the trust board on this? Is there a chance of it being put to member vote at some point? Would carry so much more weight with the trust behind it.
I was talking to a football professional last night and he said something that's changed my views a little.
I was gung - go for a new club and he said we should never underestimate the value of a league place. The Conference is almost impossible to get out of as there is always some rich fool happy to fund some tin-pot club like Crawley ; the Newport owner was a euro-millions winner for crying out loud!
"Hell, if you got all the pieces into position you could theoretically go to SISU and say: we're going to do this unless you sell up / move back to the Ricoh."
Kapowaz, that's a good tactic. Fight fire with fire. It may focus minds.
If we demonstrate we've got a 5,000 minimum fan base we'll be placed in a higher league. With the passionate fans behind us we'll be able to bring in good quality players at those levels to quickly climb the leagues. Say four years and back where we are?
Where will Sisu Cobblers be? Possibly long gone, part of a Sisu Franchise team. Northampton beware who you are dealing with.
Certainly lets work to rescue our team, but have this as backup surely?
The feeling is if we took that decision to put this route to our members it would be done with a heavy heart and we would have to be absolutely sure all avenues had been explored and all doors shut before a massive decision like this was made. We're all aware of timing so if something was to happen it would be done in plenty of time.
Look at the comments on this thread and it shows you even now the different points of view. Some would go and support CCFC if a new stadium was built near Cov. Some are saying the trust should form a new CCFC as a bargaining tool.
Fans ain't ready to let go just yet, and I don't think it's over, not just yet.
Problem the trust has, and don't get me wrong, I know it's frustrating because its frustrating for me and a lot of others too, if we (the trust) start a debate about forming a new club in whatever guise, and also call for Coventry to return to Coventry we will be accused of sending out mixed messages. Do we want cov in cov or a new cov etc.
I was talking to a football professional last night and he said something that's changed my views a little … he said we should never underestimate the value of a league place. The Conference is almost impossible to get out of as there is always some rich fool happy to fund some tin-pot club like Crawley ; the Newport owner was a euro-millions winner for crying out loud!
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