shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Save yourself the hassle mate, just post from your normal one.
As I said the other day prepare for account hyperdrive.
Wouldn't it be nice if our fans were annoyed with the other parties as much as they are with sisu. We might not be held to ransom then.
Because the other parties don't appear to like negative press as much as sisu. Remember when the higgs story broke? People were annoyed with wasps and they quickly spun it.
Let's face it - SISU are the custodians of our club and given the state we're in now vs when they arrived, fans are going to be principally annoyed at them as our fate is mostly in their hands not in the hands of the council, Wasps etc (all of whom are less to blame than SISU, in any case).Because the other parties don't appear to like negative press as much as sisu. Remember when the higgs story broke? People were annoyed with wasps and they quickly spun it.
Let's face it - SISU are the custodians of our club and given the state we're in now vs when they arrived, fans are going to be principally annoyed at them as our fate is mostly in their hands not in the hands of the council, Wasps etc (all of whom are less to blame than SISU, in any case).
The worrying issue of being "held to ransom" is that "ccfc fans" will applaud it and think it's great.
Agree - and given that they're being forced to cut back services as a result of the general austerity agenda, that's quite right too. There are plenty of Cov fans who seem to think that it's up to the council to assist the club including some who think they should have provided the £30m Ricoh funding for noting in return (including letting us keep ownership of the ground).And... if the council say we will not assist the club in any way over what we are obliged to do unless they ( or SISU if you prefer ) drop JR2, they will be applauded for it by the council tax payers. There will be no pressure to help CCFC from the council tax payers.
How so? At present the only option in coventry is the Ricoh. That is controlled by Wasps and they have ended talks with the club and refused any further talks.
The tax payers stuff is a bit of a strange one, it's made out as if there will be families having their lives ruined by it. Having worked for a council and watching them pay 4 or 5 times the going rate for things day in, day out there are plenty of ways "tax payers money" is being pissed down the drain.
That's not saying it's OK, as when SISU lose then of course the judge should award costs to be paid back.
Again, "Ccfc fans" will applaud it as it will be "showing SISU".
If I were a council tax payer, I would applaud measures taken to avoid further wastes of money. SISU made a bad purchase and it has cost them millions. Not the fault of the Coventry taxpayer. Any money the council has to pay in to fund SISU's mistakes comes from people who have worked for that money. I would support CCC's efforts to force Joy to drop JR2 - which would probably be better for Joy anyway ( based on her court failures so far ). For me, it wouldn't be to "show SISU", it would be to stop Joy getting money - however little - which I had worked for and had had to pay for council services.
Would it come directly from tax payers?
Joy would only get money from it if she won, surely?
Yes, she would. I don't think she will win, but it involves staff time and the possibilty that she wins holding back the council doing other things that they are supposed to be doing. I don't think they get the money back for their own time and trouble if Joy loses. Both sides lose by this continuing and it would be a travesty, if at the end, the working population of Coventry had to compensate a hedge fund's mistake - even if per capita it would not ruin families. CCFC would not win if Joy wins.
In terms of people saying about being angry about multiple parties, it isn't just this one thing. There are plenty of things over the years rather than one isolated incident, even before SISU came in. In terms of CCFC being held hostage, have a look at how Dave worded it...
Understand the staff time, although why would tax payers be banging the drum because it is CCFC and not when the CEO of the council on 210k a year is working elsewhere 2 days of the week and the council has to pay a replacement to do his job and the numerous other ways the council is pissing money down the drain.
I think the court case is pointless, I don't think they will win, when they lose they should of course cover all costs of the "winning" parties.
If the unexpected happens and it ends up the working people of Coventry had to compensate SISU, the questions would surely be with the council as they would be in the wrong?
The worrying issue of being "held to ransom" is that "ccfc fans" will applaud it and think it's great.
How so? At present the only option in coventry is the Ricoh. That is controlled by Wasps and they have ended talks with the club and refused any further talks.
Wouldn't it be nice if our fans were annoyed with the other parties as much as they are with sisu. We might not be held to ransom then.
Why have said that they have ended talks?
We still have the ball abd I am gobsmacked every Cov fan is not asking SISU to drop the legal action the judges are talking them to drop because that legal action is a really weak case that is causing us maximum damage.
Can I ask you Dave have you spoke to any
SISU or CCFC club official about the who CCFC Ricoh situation?
I've no doubt they do but they key is what deal they want. For all we know they're saying £1m a year for 50 years with no break clause. Would be an absolute non starter.Grendel has confirmed they want ccfc at the Ricoh on a long term deal but ccfc don't want it.
How is it going to cost the tax payer money? Presumably you are also up in arms at the Ricoh being sold at a loss by the council to Wasps and for them allowing the loan to be paid back early, a loan they had previously claimed was a great deal for the taxpayer due to the amount of interest it would generate.If I were a council tax payer, I would applaud measures taken to avoid further wastes of money. SISU made a bad purchase and it has cost them millions. Not the fault of the Coventry taxpayer.
Go ahead and ask SISU all you like, it will do you zero good. We could have 0 people at a match and 10,000 marching to their offices and it would make no difference. But make sure you are asking SISU and not CCFC.Why have said that they have ended talks?
We still have the ball abd I am gobsmacked every Cov fan is not asking SISU to drop the legal action the judges are talking them to drop because that legal action is a really weak case that is causing us maximum damage.
Can I ask you Dave have you spoke to any SISU or CCFC club official about the who CCFC Ricoh situation?
Assistance doesn't necessarily mean monetary. Anyone who seriously thinks the legal action is in anyway impacting on the day to day operation of a local council with £95m reserves is crazy.Agree - and given that they're being forced to cut back services as a result of the general austerity agenda, that's quite right too. There are plenty of Cov fans who seem to think that it's up to the council to assist the club including some who think they should have provided the £30m Ricoh funding for noting in return (including letting us keep ownership of the ground).
He says the position hasn't changed. Their position was that they were in talks with CCFC, talks that both sides described as positive. They then pulled out of talks citing the legal action SISU were taking.Errr not according to this it hasn't! Wasps won't take part in mediation over CCFC's future at Ricoh
Well, well, well, a senior manager and negotiator. I don't believe you are that dumb Grendel. Don't try and make out others on here are dumb.They have ended talks because the club under its current owners refuse to discuss anything other than a 2+2 year deal.
Wasps at present will not discuss anything other than a much longer commitment.
If you don't believe that go and ask Eastwood.
How is it going to cost the tax payer money? Presumably you are also up in arms at the Ricoh being sold at a loss by the council to Wasps and for them allowing the loan to be paid back early, a loan they had previously claimed was a great deal for the taxpayer due to the amount of interest it would generate.
That's before you even consider the financial benefit of having a football club playing in the city. Wasps, we are told, benefit the local economy enormously. If they do that on a total attendance of 234,360 last season then so must we with a total attendance of 209,725. Imagine how much a successful CCFC would generate, surely thats in the taxpayers interest?
Utter bollocks as usual. Based on a survey of your own opinion.Apart from costs and benefits, the reality is that there will be no negotiations whilst JR2 is running,
Quite frankly, most people were glad that Wasps took the debt off the council's books. Most people are also happy that 2 professional sports are using the "white elephant" and that a commercial company is attracting events.
On what are you basing your assertion that most people are happy that Wasps purchased ACL at a loss to the taxpayer?Quite frankly, most people were glad that Wasps took the debt off the council's books. Most people are also happy that 2 professional sports are using the "white elephant" and that a commercial company is attracting events.
I've read plenty of shit on here. But this is right up there.Apart from costs and benefits, the reality is that there will be no negotiations whilst JR2 is running,
Quite frankly, most people were glad that Wasps took the debt off the council's books. Most people are also happy that 2 professional sports are using the "white elephant" and that a commercial company is attracting events.
On what are you basing your assertion that most people are happy that Wasps purchased ACL at a loss to the taxpayer?
I've read plenty of shit on here. But this is right up there.
Who are these most people of which you speak? I presume you've done an extensive survey questioning Coventrians?
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So you're talking shit then.No. Have you seen anything to the contrary- apart from city fans ( and not all of them )?
Apart from costs and benefits, the reality is that there will be no negotiations whilst JR2 is running,
Quite frankly, most people were glad that Wasps took the debt off the council's books. Most people are also happy that 2 professional sports are using the "white elephant" and that a commercial company is attracting events.
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