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covcity4life
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Of course. I was just trolling because he has shown up what I was trying to doThat was a piece of piss
Brilliant
fernandopartridge
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Of course. I was just trolling because he has shown up what I was trying to do
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mmttww
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Hobo
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Manchester City are not under investigation for breaking the same rules as other teams that have had points deducted. The Manchester City situation/allegations are very complex.
blunted
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Man City lawyers have proved the football authorities were wrong to put in place the FFP rules that were voted on by all the PL clubs. Man City may be off the hook.
As Bob Dylan said, Money doesn't talk it swears.
Hobo
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That is part of their defense.
They main thrust of the investigation into Manchester, is around the validity of accounts filed and accepted. So the case isn't about just Manchester City, it is about Directors, and numerous accountants. It is a difficult case to prove. It is compounded by the fact it isn't Prem rules v Manchester City. It is business and financial law. Not just the club, defending itself, but individuals too. Who have the right to defend themselves.
This isn't about a club being docked a few points or even relegated. The allegations, which is all they are at this stage, if proven would see people going to prison.
Anybody waiting for Manchester City to be hauled over the coals, my advice is don't hold your breath. The numerous allegations can't proceed with one without the other. You are talking Fraud, financial irregularities of the highest order and in the most difficult to prove league.
At the moment it is allegations only and the club and individuals have the right to defend themselves and will defend themselves. It will take ages
Lamps
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It.has already taken years. The result is expected any day now. But whichever way it goes I can't see anything severe happening.
Hobo
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Because in their case the allegations are difficult to prove and that is why it has taken so long. There may be hundreds of allegations but without proof of certain key ones the rest just disappear, simple as that.
Lamps
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Even simpler than that. It comes down to who has the best legal team and what loopholes they can come out with. That’s how Leicester City got away with it yet again. That's why the PLFA had to rewrite the rules. Good chance it will happen with Manchester City as well.
Hobo
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It's well known the Manchester City allegations were always going to be difficult to prove just like they would be with any business - nothing to do with football rules. It's about financial regulations that apply to any business.
Lamps
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In what way are the football rules nothing to do with football rules?
Hobo
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Because it's to do with financial regulations that applies to any business. That is the crucial pivot to proving most the allegations with Manchester City. If they can't prove the accounts historically submitted, audited and accepted were false, they can't prove the breaches of football rules.
Forget football rules and punishments, potentially people would be going to prison.
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Lamps
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The main charge is them breaking FFP rules. They haven't broken the law. They have broken football rules.
ovduk78
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Some of the charges, about 20% I think and the most serious, are accountancy based where the FA/PL have no real jurisdiction
Lamps
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They will depend on what was reported officially. If they gave 1 to the PLFA and correct to.the other no law has been broken. And not seen anything where a law has been broke. For instance amount paid to manager. If HMRC got correct figures or not.
ovduk78
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Some of the charges relate to accountancy processes where audits have to be performed by external companies. If they are found guilty of these then the companies involved in the audits could face business law or criminal law charges, as well as accountant/companies working for Man City, that could result in prison sentences. I read an article when the charges were announced that was saying that these charges shouldn't be brought by the FA/PL. I can't find the article now.
Lamps
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I've only seen the word 'could'
If the wrong information has only been given to the football authorities it's a football thing. If it's been done for fraud it's a different matter.
The.way I see it there wouldn't be any doubt about not knowing if they can be found guilty or not if it is on official paperwork not connected to the PLFA. If official paperwork had been falsified it wouldn't be under the jurisdiction of any football authorities.
Hobo
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You obviously don't understand the original allegations, why it has taken so long to investigate (because it's involved the clubs lawyers and individual people lawyers) and why the potential allegations are melting away. We are now at the tail end and coming to a conclusion. Nothing will have been proved is my guess because 115 breeches depended on proving corruption of the highest scale. Simon Jordan said on Talksport months ago, you are trying to prove financial irregularities of the highest order, and the most difficult offences to prove in the business world (not Prem rules world). But after all that the Prem investigation still has to come to a conclusion.... Which will be nothing.
Hobo
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Let's face it you can't get your head around the seriousness of the allegations (why it has taken so long). Why it is so difficult to prove and they may not have breeched.
Everton and Forest clearly overspent. It is clear in their accounts. Forest deliberately overspent expecting a fine. They got deducted points but still stayed up. So the calculated risk paid off.
The Manchester City allegations were in a different league altogether, they were outside of Prem rules, hence the time to investigate.
But the investigation has to complete even if it dilutes to nothing
Lamps
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Name the allegations that are unlawful instead of trying to start an argument over something you certainly don't understand.Let's face it you can't get your head around the seriousness of the allegations (why it has taken so long). Why it is so difficult to prove and they may not have breeched.
Everton and Forest clearly overspent. It is clear in their accounts. Forest deliberately overspent expecting a fine. They got deducted points but still stayed up. So the calculated risk paid off.
The Manchester City allegations were in a different league altogether, they were outside of Prem rules, hence the time to investigate.
But the investigation has to complete even if it dilutes to nothing
Man City Premier League charges explained: What are they? What could punishment be? What's the timescale?
In February 2023, Man City were charged by the Premier League with more than 100 alleged breaches of the leagues financial rules; hearing led by independent commission concluded in December, with verdict expected soon
long way home
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I totally agree with you but when has the topic title ever determined what gets posted... This site has a history of us all posting shite on any given day..... But i suppose that's the madness of it. ...
Hobo
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Name the allegations that are unlawful instead of trying to start an argument over something you certainly don't understand.
Man City Premier League charges explained: What are they? What could punishment be? What's the timescale?
In February 2023, Man City were charged by the Premier League with more than 100 alleged breaches of the leagues financial rules; hearing led by independent commission concluded in December, with verdict expected soonwww.skysports.com
They are in my recent posts I'm not going to keep
repeating them just for you.
Most the allegations go back over several seasons. The suggestion is Man City over inflated the value of revenues and sponsorships to get around the Prem Rules. If that was the case that means the accounts that had been submitted as a company were false. That is fraud. Which means if found guilty in a court of law, potentially directors, accountants and auditors could go to prison. Not just Manchester City but potentially other companies too. One of the reasons it has taken so long is anyone potentially involved is entitled to defend themselves with their own legal representation.
If you can't prove the accounts were false, then you can't prove the allegations around them breaking Prem rules. So most of the allegations are going to melt away.
The reason they have been charged with them, is so the Prem can say they have investigated it and everyone can move on.
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Hobo
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Yes, it is a lower release clause potentially, which may make him more of an attractive proposition for clubs
It does mean we will get less of course.
ovduk78
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Unless we get promoted & buy him back
Hobo
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Unless we get promoted & buy him back
Well the rumour is he is not interested in a move to Manchester United. But Arsenal, Manchester City and Liverpool are monitoring his situation.
baldy
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Oh ffs - don't mention Man City again
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Could be some good players becoming available....
Colin Steins Smile
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PSG has also been mentioned as a potential club of interest
Jesse Carver
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If we go up we're looking to loan one of their junior barristers from them
Captain Dart
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Bidding war, nice.
Hobo
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Sanctions might stop them buying Gyokeres and MVE
Cally Fedora
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Who from the current squad is out of contract in the summer?