Liquid Gold
Well-Known Member
That is how it comes across.
Supporters Forum groups pledge Ricoh Arena deal support (3 Viewers)
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Nick
Administrator
That's exactly how it reads and why people react in that way.
CJ_covblaze
Well-Known Member
Again appreciate that. With regards to Boddy I don’t think anyone looks at him as the villan do they? As far as I’m aware pretty much everyone puts the blame at the doors of others from the club, CCC and Wasps.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
It reads exactly like that when the trust refuse to have their name alongside other fans groups on a statement asking for nothing more than talks to be held with a view to us still having somewhere to play next season.
CJ_covblaze
Well-Known Member
Point taken on board.
Nick
Administrator
That's the thing, I don't doubt you will take it on board. I do doubt anybody else would do anything anywhere even slightly different.
Like the other bloke on the board said, The views on here don't represent city fans. You engaged about the other thing I asked about, why could nobody else do that?
rob9872
Well-Known Member
Who exactly do the Trust represent apart from themselves? I paid the obligatory £1 back in the day to join when it looked like they might have a voice but are now pretty pointless. It might be better if they disbanded and set up something different - perhaps even just representing Coventry as a local supporters group for the City rather than as they currently are, but I guess those on the current board are on too much of a power trip to let that happen.
CJ_covblaze
Well-Known Member
Everyone on here is a City fan and deserve to get their voices heard. That’s partly what a Supporters Trust is supposed to be there for. If voices aren’t being heard then it’s partly down to myself and others within the Trusts leadership. I will take this all forward.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Its really that simple. Not sure how the trust manage to make it so complicated.
By far the biggest priority is still having a club next season. Everything else can wait.
If the Trust issue a statement stating they they would agree if "despite the on-going court case" was dropped it is saying that they fully support the action that Wasps is taking.
I previously thought they had a hard job trying to represent the many different views but to say that they would rather the club no longer existed if SISU continue the action is unbelievable from what is supposed to be a fans group wanting the best for CCFC
I previously thought they had a hard job trying to represent the many different views but to say that they would rather the club no longer existed if SISU continue the action is unbelievable from what is supposed to be a fans group wanting the best for CCFC
Nick
Administrator
I don't think it is to do with you personally though. You come on here to do your best but in fairness to you why can't other people engage and listen to fans?
I have said for years the same has been going on, that there was no interest at all in listening properly. Like I said though it's as if you, Moz, Steve etc try your hardest and others end up just making it a nightmare for you.
CJ_covblaze
Well-Known Member
That isn’t what we have tried to say at all. I can see how it reads that way though.
CJ_covblaze
Well-Known Member
If I’m partly or solely responsible for running something I’m party or solely responsible for the failings of the organisation.
Nick
Administrator
Only so much you can do and only so far you can take something.
Which is why I said it doesn't really seem fair that you are willing to engage when most of the issues about the other people who have no interest in it.
CJ_covblaze
Well-Known Member
As I’ve said I appreciate that but I disagree.
The thing is that while we would all like to be rid of SISU there is a more pressing issue and if that is solved there will not be a club for anyone to own.
Nick
Administrator
That's the thing, the Trust have now made clear that the primary aim is to get the court case dropped rather than somewhere for us to play.
It's been clear there won't be any pressure at all against the Council or Wasps to do a deal also.
skyblueinBaku
Well-Known Member
It's beginning to look like the Trust board is more interested in preserving it's anti-Sisu credentials than in finding a way out of the mess we are in.
Nick
Administrator
Is it even about CCFC or just politics in general nowadays?
The other groups have appeared and have shown what a CCFC Orientated Fan group is about.
It just looks more like a Council Vehicle to roll out when needed to push something to be honest. Seems there's a bigger agenda than CCFC.
With the Trust being rolled out then comes "the Jimmy Hill Way" who has already proved there is some sort of agenda there. That's before the guy with all of the Twitter accounts....
It then makes things that CJ does when he tries his best to communicate with people look completely pointless
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
I just hope all parties can find a way to lay all problems between them to rest in a way that allows the club to play in Coventry for a long long time to come.
Its up to them to sort it out, what will be will be.
Its up to them to sort it out, what will be will be.
mark82
Super Moderator
That's how it sounds to everyone else.
mark82
Super Moderator
There are a range of differing opinions on here which are far more representative of the whole spectrum of fan views than things like the Facebook pages. Unfortunately the Trust only listen to the shouty few on Facebook. I wish we had a supporters body that genuinely represented fans, it'd be a lot more productive.
CJ - nothing against you personally, you're always a reasonable contributor on here.
mark82
Super Moderator
If that is the case there must be another reason for not signing then. I think the Trust have made a huge mistake on this. No doubt you'll all get a huge pat on the back from the Facebook group though. Bad enough Sisu, Wasps and CCC being against the club we now have our own trust being obstructive and not looking out for what is in the best interest of the club, fans and city as a whole.
CJ_covblaze
Well-Known Member
Sky Blue Trust's Response to Coventry City's published statement from the Supporters Forum regarding the Ricoh Arena Situation
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Published: 19 December 2018
This morning, Coventry City published a statement from the Supporters Forum regarding the Ricoh Arena situation NEWS: Supporters Forum groups pledge Ricoh Arena deal support Most groups and individuals represented at the Forum have agreed with the totality of points proposed by the football club.
The article concludes with the comment: “Also in attendance and offered the opportunity to support were The Sky Blue Trust, though their board subsequently decided they did not wish to commit to the entire statement.” The Trust is in agreement with many of the points made in the Club Statement. However, certain phrasing within the text is simply not credible and cannot be supported by the democratically appointed Board of the largest group of Coventry City supporters. In particular, there is a complete contradiction in calling “on ALL parties to put aside their differences to sit down and negotiate a deal for Coventry City to play at the Ricoh Arena as soon as possible” then adding in the same sentence “despite the on-going court case”.
Moz Baker, Chair of the Trust, tried to make the point at the meeting that many city fans including Trust members would expect the owners of the club to be challenged and to be lobbied to drop their legal challenge, but was prevented from pursuing this. He did agree to take the statement for discussion by Trust board members.
Therefore, in support of Coventry City FC (but not the owners and directors of Otium Entertainment, Sky Blue Sports and Leisure, Sisu Capital and Arvo Master Fund) CCFC supporters and the whole Sky Blues Community, the Sky Blue Trust wishes to make the following statement:
Sky Blue Trust - Sky Blue Trust's Response to Coventry City's published statement from the Supporters Forum regarding the Ricoh Arena Situation
Details
Published: 19 December 2018
This morning, Coventry City published a statement from the Supporters Forum regarding the Ricoh Arena situation NEWS: Supporters Forum groups pledge Ricoh Arena deal support Most groups and individuals represented at the Forum have agreed with the totality of points proposed by the football club.
The article concludes with the comment: “Also in attendance and offered the opportunity to support were The Sky Blue Trust, though their board subsequently decided they did not wish to commit to the entire statement.” The Trust is in agreement with many of the points made in the Club Statement. However, certain phrasing within the text is simply not credible and cannot be supported by the democratically appointed Board of the largest group of Coventry City supporters. In particular, there is a complete contradiction in calling “on ALL parties to put aside their differences to sit down and negotiate a deal for Coventry City to play at the Ricoh Arena as soon as possible” then adding in the same sentence “despite the on-going court case”.
Moz Baker, Chair of the Trust, tried to make the point at the meeting that many city fans including Trust members would expect the owners of the club to be challenged and to be lobbied to drop their legal challenge, but was prevented from pursuing this. He did agree to take the statement for discussion by Trust board members.
Therefore, in support of Coventry City FC (but not the owners and directors of Otium Entertainment, Sky Blue Sports and Leisure, Sisu Capital and Arvo Master Fund) CCFC supporters and the whole Sky Blues Community, the Sky Blue Trust wishes to make the following statement:
- The Sky Blue Trust agrees that Coventry City should play its home matches in Coventry.
- They agree that Coventry City should play its home matches in the 2019/20 season and beyond at the Ricoh Arena.
- They call on ALL parties to put aside their differences to sit down and negotiate a long-term deal for Coventry City to play at the Ricoh Arena as soon as possible. Putting aside differences must include an announcement by Otium Entertainment Limited, Sky Blues Sports & Leisure Limited, Arvo Master Fund and Sisu Capital Limited that they are prepared to suspend legal action in an effort to achieve the best possible deal for Coventry City Football Club.
- The Sky Blue Trust notes that two previous attempts at mediation in the dispute concerning the Ricoh Arena have been unsuccessful. The first attempt was initiated by the Minister of Sport and a further round was ordered by justices of the Court of Appeal. The Trust calls on ALL parties to indicate publicly whether they would be prepared to enter into genuine and meaningful mediation, without pre-condition other than the suspension of court action, to settle their wider differences.
- They agree that the consequences of ‘no deal’ for Coventry City Football Club to play at the Ricoh Arena would be catastrophic for Coventry City Football Club, its supporters present and future, the community, the City of Coventry, wider footballing community and everyone who cares about the Club.
- They call on ALL supporters and community stakeholders to back attempts for this deal to be concluded as soon as possible in an amicable fashion and without threats to the interests of other parties.
Sky Blue Trust - Sky Blue Trust's Response to Coventry City's published statement from the Supporters Forum regarding the Ricoh Arena Situation
Nick
Administrator
Why is it a contradiction to say despite the legal issues? Why must it mean that SISU are going to drop the legals before the other parties can put things to one side for CCFC?
How about calling on the council to confirm what Ann Lucas meant when she said it was a condition of the bid being accepted also?
The club have already said they would meet any time, any place for discussions. So why not use that and put it to the others?
It doesn't really clear anything up does it.
How about calling on the council to confirm what Ann Lucas meant when she said it was a condition of the bid being accepted also?
The club have already said they would meet any time, any place for discussions. So why not use that and put it to the others?
It doesn't really clear anything up does it.
Liquid Gold
Well-Known Member
- They call on ALL parties to put aside their differences to sit down and negotiate a long-term deal for Coventry City to play at the Ricoh Arena as soon as possible. Putting aside differences must include an announcement by Otium Entertainment Limited, Sky Blues Sports & Leisure Limited, Arvo Master Fund and Sisu Capital Limited that they are prepared to suspend legal action in an effort to achieve the best possible deal for Coventry City Football Club
You can't say you support all parties coming together depending on an action of one party. All must come together no matter what or we're fucked. Stop being a pressure group and start showing some fucking leadership.
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
I don't think the trust should read so much into this.
I don't think anyone would see them putting their name to this statement as an endorsement of the owners.
They might see it as them standing in solidarity with their fellow supporters groups to plead for securing the short term future of the club.
Massive own goal by the trust in my opinion.
Nick
Administrator
I can't see why putting the name to that makes them endorsing the owners, if anything not doing it is endorsing other parties.
Liquid Gold
Well-Known Member
The trust would only put their name to a declaration that they support the club if they could add ‘but not sisu’ at th end.
Nick
Administrator
But will openly endorse Wasps.
Flags are firmly nailed to the mast and it isn't CCFC's.
Liquid Gold
Well-Known Member
They openly hate sisu more than they love city. I don’t get it.
Nick
Administrator
It's all about the politics. Football is sadly a sideshow.
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
It's frustrating that a decent and well meaning statement has caused a riff rather than doing what it was intended to do.
Typical CCFC.
Typical CCFC.
Nick
Administrator
Oh, the riff is done on purpose.
The Trust didnt seem too keen on putting this twat and his other accounts straight with facts who is going out of his way to mislead and divide, I wonder why that could be? (By Trust, I mean everybody bar CJ who I know is very busy at the minute who was unfairly left to reply while the others sat about liking everything each other said).
