Match Thread Supporter's Meeting with Doug King Match Thread (5 Viewers)

[MusicDating]

This bit is all a bit vague

Yer same. Adi left on 1st July and assume club knew he was going before then. Plenty of time to get someone in before the season started. Robins has worked with a few assistants, so wouldn't expect him to be stubborn or picky about it or feel his job threatened.

 

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[Senior Vick from Alicante]

Laughable that King claimed he wouldn't speak to anyone before firing Robins out of respect, yet had been waiting to fire him for months, and was quite happy to spend an hour disrespecting him on the radio.

Thats pure speculation on your behalf, he said that he had offered help to Robins and wanted to employ an assistant?

 

[junglej13]

There was something that John Dawkins said last night on his podcast that referenced this, about he knew of a high calibre individual who applied for the role of assistant, but it never got to a discussion with Doug King and he didn't know why.

I wonder if maybe Mark Robins had an involvement in the recruitment of the coaches but for one reason did not progress any discussions to a point where a deal could be done, the question would then be why, something only Robins himself could answer.

May be wrong on this but remember Dawkins tweeting at the time about a 'Champions League' coach he knew had applied. Based on a few other bits and joining the dots I think he was referring to Gavin Strachan (who I believe coached as Celtic). I'd suggest the positive spin from Dawkins was a bit sensationalised.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Interesting doubling down the reason Lawrence left was he wanted to be closer to home rather than him not getting a contract

 

[torchomatic]

The insinuation last night seemed pretty clear to me, they couldn't find one that Robins was happy with.

Yes, that was my take from what King said. We basically offered him anyone he wanted, but he wasn't happy with any of the choices offered.

 

[Bigelvesy]

The insinuation last night seemed pretty clear to me, they couldn't find one that Robins was happy with.

Yup, honestly i could see this being Robins stubbornness. I think he was happy with the flat coaching structure, felt he didnt need a number 2 and so went through the motions of 'looking for one' but ultimately had no intention of taking one to Doug.

Up until the point things looked v bad and he started talking to the guy whose name i cant remember now, but US Skyblue has it on v good authority robins approached him and a deal was there to be done. I think at that stage though, Doug already had a feeling about sacking Robins and therefore didnt want to bring in a number 2 for him anymore

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Interesting doubling down the reason Lawrence left was he wanted to be closer to home rather than him not getting a contract

This was common knowledge at the time I believe.

 

[Deity]

Thats pure speculation on your behalf, he said that he had offered help to Robins and wanted to employ an assistant?

Pure speculation on my part but it maybe that Mark was tired of the challenge of managing a strong and vocal assistant and / or nervous of appointing someone who may even become his successor and therefore felt that a young group of hungry but less challenging coaches was the answer that worked best for him.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

This was common knowledge at the time I believe.

I know. Only disputing what GIMOC came and said

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Have I missed something? But I haven't read into anything King has said as a criticism of the standard of coaching or the individual coaches.

It feels more like he's critical of the restructure as Robins appointed the coaches but did not appear to want an assistant or arrange them coherently.

He said they weren’t good enough and then said it sounds a bit critical and apologised

 

[RoboCCFC90]

I know. Only disputing what GIMOC came and said

Yeah I get that

 

[Matt smith]

He didn't even say deck on Talksport, already moving the goalposts.

He said chips

 

[Briles]

Yup, honestly i could see this being Robins stubbornness. I think he was happy with the flat coaching structure, felt he didnt need a number 2 and so went through the motions of 'looking for one' but ultimately had no intention of taking one to Doug.

Up until the point things looked v bad and he started talking to the guy whose name i cant remember now, but US Skyblue has it on v good authority robins approached him and a deal was there to be done. I think at that stage though, Doug already had a feeling about sacking Robins and therefore didnt want to bring in a number 2 for him anymore

It's a good point about his stubbornness. He has always had that in him

 

[Deity]

One thing is consistent …. DK felt the new coaches were not yet experienced enough to guide us to promotion, players were telling their friends etc that the coaching standards had dropped, too many voices etc.

DK gave Mark 3 choices

bring in a proven assistant
Make of the existing your assistant
Carry on as you are but it could expose you

MR chose the last option and it did.

 

[torchomatic]

It's a good point about his stubbornness. He has always had that in him

A double-edged sword like most traits. Sometimes he was right to be stubborn, sometimes not.

 

[chiefdave]

You are talking about a non football situation

Yes you're right, no football manager has ever left accompanied by a press release about it being by mutual consent

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

One thing is consistent …. DK felt the new coaches were not yet experienced enough to guide us to promotion, players were telling their friends etc that the coaching standards had dropped, too many voices etc.

DK gave Mark 3 choices

bring in a proven assistant
Make of the existing your assistant
Carry on as you are but it could expose you

MR chose the last option and it did.

I think that’s fair
It’s also fair to ask what about Chris Ramsey? And at what point did he decide no this can’t go on!
The answer of timing too was strange. Wanted to scare everyone into taking it seriously um ok

 

[Nick]

Yes you're right, no football manager has ever left accompanied by a press release about it being by mutual consent

They have when it's been by mutual consent.

I'm confused, are the issues now that King didn't lie to the fans about him being sacked?

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

Pure speculation on my part but it maybe that Mark was tired of the challenge of managing a strong and vocal assistant and / or nervous of appointing someone who may even become his successor and therefore felt that a young group of hungry but less challenging coaches was the answer that worked best for him.

That's how I see it to, if you loose 2 creative coaches the like AV and DL who challenge and then over promote folk that will be under qualified but grateful for the chance, all you are doing is creating an echo chamber that will say what you want to hear. I think DK is rightly angry that he was doing his darndest to put the building blocks in place and Robins might have gone for a different approach.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

They have when it's been by mutual consent.

I'm confused, are the issues now that King didn't lie to the fans about him being sacked?

If you had seen his face I think you would have been less binary on this. He was either incredibly nervous (understandable) or knows he flew close to the litigious winds (possible).

He gave his version of the truth knowing it wouldn’t be challenged

 

[skybluecam]

They have when it's been by mutual consent.

I'm confused, are the issues now that King didn't lie to the fans about him being sacked?

People are living in a fantasy world.

Can you imagine that meeting?

"Hi Mark, you're sacked. Do you mind if we call it mutual in the statement, and do you fancy doing a load of stuff for our media channels to make it look better for the fans?"

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Yup, honestly i could see this being Robins stubbornness. I think he was happy with the flat coaching structure, felt he didnt need a number 2 and so went through the motions of 'looking for one' but ultimately had no intention of taking one to Doug.

Up until the point things looked v bad and he started talking to the guy whose name i cant remember now, but US Skyblue has it on v good authority robins approached him and a deal was there to be done. I think at that stage though, Doug already had a feeling about sacking Robins and therefore didnt want to bring in a number 2 for him anymore

Out of all of it, the assistant manager thing is a bit odd. If what you have said in bold is true, which seems possible, what Doug is saying isn't entirely the truth. If that's right then I don't know why everyone is swallowing everything he has said as if it is absolute fact. He might be justified in many of his decisions, but I suspect he has twisted some things like this ever so slightly to get fans on board.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That's how I see it to, if you loose 2 creative coaches the like AV and DL who challenge and then over promote folk that will be under qualified but grateful for the chance, all you are doing is creating an echo chamber that will say what you want to hear. I think DK is rightly angry that he was doing his darndest to put the building blocks in place and Robins might have gone for a different approach.

How can you go so many months and not resolve it?
Again if he was allowing robins time to do it then ok that goes in his favour

 

[Nick]

If you had seen his face I think you would have been less binary on this. He was either incredibly nervous (understandable) or knows he flew close to the litigious winds (possible).

He gave his version of the truth knowing it wouldn’t be challenged

On what, whether Robins was sacked or it was mutual consent?

 

[Phoenix5555]

Having listened to the fans forum, the talksport interview etc i'm starting to think that this could be the correct decision. The coaching structure appears as though it was down to Mark Robins, the lack of new appointment to replace Adi appears to fall more at the feet of Robins for not providing a name for King to go further with. I find it hard to believe King has rejected someone when he was pushing for something to happen and has sacked Robins because of the lack of it happening. Since the start of this season, we have often looked tactically behind the other team. We have some good players and so will always pick up some good results, but some of the performances have been bad and left many wondering what happened. I am often wondering what style of play we are trying to play this season. I can only take the view that maybe the success we have had previously was more to do with Vivash and Lawrence rather than Robins and now it is being exposed. I may be totally wrong and Robins will always be a legend, but maybe this is the change we needed given the circumstances.

 

[TomRad85]

On what, whether Robins was sacked or it was mutual consent?

Petes always had a bee in his bonnet with King. Preferred Joy and Tim.

 

[clint van damme]

One thing is consistent …. DK felt the new coaches were not yet experienced enough to guide us to promotion, players were telling their friends etc that the coaching standards had dropped, too many voices etc.

DK gave Mark 3 choices

bring in a proven assistant
Make of the existing your assistant
Carry on as you are but it could expose you

MR chose the last option and it did.

Funny that this post is getting believed but Shep posted a post on Friday night which contained the first paragraph and people are believing it but everything else in his post is being dismissed.

 

[skybluecam]

Petes always had a bee in his bonnet with King. Preferred Joy and Tim.

that new profile pic is going to rattle some

 

[The watchmaker]

The Adi interview is still available on the CovTel site and there is nothing damning in it at all. So why would Robins get upset ? Adi would have had to get permission to talk to the press so candidly. As Adi's boss, Robins would have known about it beforehand and could have blocked it if he didn't want to be undermined.

Doug mentioned that the issue was that he didn't get permission. It is also likely that Robins found out about it before he had read the article as Turner would likely have looked for some input from the main man so at that point you can envisage some annoyance/concern about what might be in it.

It seems highly unlikely to me that that was the entire cause of the breakdown but I think it would be extremely unprofessional to set everything and I do hope this goes away. End of the day, rightly or wrongly - I think we have to accept that this was Robins' decision. Whether you accept that this act in itself was fatal to his tenure is a question you can debate but on this particular point I think it is best accept the headline and move on.

 

[TomRad85]

that new profile pic is going to rattle some

Hop on in, but I'm calling shotgun.

 

[torchomatic]

Out of all of it, the assistant manager thing is a bit odd. If what you have said in bold is true, which seems possible, what Doug is saying isn't entirely the truth. If that's right then I don't know why everyone is swallowing everything he has said as if it is absolute fact. He might be justified in many of his decisions, but I suspect he has twisted some things like this ever so slightly to get fans on board.

And it's worked a treat!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Andy Turner be like

 

[MusicDating]

Doug mentioned that the issue was that he didn't get permission. It is also likely that Robins found out about it before he had read the article as Turner would likely have looked for some input from the main man so at that point you can envisage some annoyance/concern.

It seems highly unlikely to me that that was the entire cause of the breakdown but I think it would be extremely unprofessional to set everything and I do hope this goes away. End of the day, rightly or wrongly - I think we have to accept that this was Robins' decision. Whether you accept that this act in itself was fatal to his tenure is a question you can debate but on this particular point I think it is best accept the headline and move on.

Robins started it. It was his interview a couple of weeks before Adi's when Robins called him difficult - Viveash gone

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

On what, whether Robins was sacked or it was mutual consent?

lol no not that particular point touché

 

[TomRad85]

Robins started it. It was his interview a couple of weeks before Adi's when Robins called him difficult - Viveash gone

Wait until the blame game finally finds its way back to Turner. Poor fucker is finished.