Surely Time to Bury the Hatchet (1 Viewer)

@richh87 · Aug 9, 2015

M&B Stand said:
what if you don't like the next owners?

you're probably better finding a new club to be honest.

SISU are extraordinarily bad owners - it's not like there are many other owners out there like them. They relegated us because they sold every player they could. They didn't even put up a fight.

The football on show has been awful. I suppose you think the Blackpool supporters need to chill out and 'enjoy' the football.

A club is only as good as it's owners - and City fans deserve a lot better. We've been through so much crap over the years it's unrivalled.

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SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 9, 2015

M&B Stand said:
what if you don't like the next owners?

you're probably better finding a new club to be honest.

Probably better giving up on professional football all together tbh as in England all these owners are cut from the same cloth. (Don't mean this sarcastically)

Just going to get even worse with the foreign owners all wanting a slice of the pie as the money in the premier league seems to have no limit in its spiral out of control.

@richh87 · Aug 9, 2015

CCFC said:
Probably better giving up on professional football all together tbh as in England all these owners are cut from the same cloth. (Don't mean this sarcastically)

Just going to get even worse with the foreign owners all wanting a slice of the pie as the money in the premier league seems to have no limit in its spiral out of control.

They aren't though. There are owners out there who invest as they love the sport - Steve Gibson at Middlesborough is probably the best example. There are fan owned clubs emerging too, like Swansea and Pompey, and that IMO is the best model for clubs.

We've just had the misfortune of landing the worst set of owners in English football (until Karl Oyston moves Blackpool 40 miles and sees their stadium bought by a rugby club).

I'd love to hear which owners are on a par with SISU.

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Hobo · Aug 9, 2015

@richh87 said:
SISU are extraordinarily bad owners - it's not like there are many other owners out there like them. They relegated us because they sold every player they could. They didn't even put up a fight.

The football on show has been awful. I suppose you think the Blackpool supporters need to chill out and 'enjoy' the football.

A club is only as good as it's owners - and City fans deserve a lot better. We've been through so much crap over the years it's unrivalled.

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You are right about SISU.

But that is not the fault of the players, it is not the fault of the Manager and coaching staff and it is not the fault of the fans.

We have to accept the limitations that face us budget wise and support the efforts on the pitch. Time to support Coventry City FC as you have always done.

oucho · Aug 9, 2015

I am happy for wasps to own the ricoh and for us to stay as tenants. Sisu use this as an excuse for oyr demise, which is purely down to their mismanagement. I wouldn't want to move to a new stadium in any circumstances.

stupot07 · Aug 9, 2015

@richh87 said:
They aren't though. There are owners out there who invest as they love the sport - Steve Gibson at Middlesborough is probably the best example. There are fan owned clubs emerging too, like Swansea and Pompey, and that IMO is the best model for clubs.

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This is what is wrong with football, that good owners are ones that encourage big spending, making losses and loaning the club money to fund those losses. It goes back to the list of 10 worst owners and the likes of Newcastle and villa being in their because having learned that spending big (e.g. Villa - bent, downing, Milner & Young) doesn't reap the rewards of champions league/european football so both have become more frugal and are therefore now poor owners.

Swansea isn't really fan ownership, they only own 20%, the rest is owned by high net worth individuals. I don't believe there's a club above league two that is 50%+ fan owned.

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@richh87 · Aug 9, 2015

Just want SISU to leave as soon as possible. They're like a terminal illness to CCFC.

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SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 9, 2015

@richh87 said:
They aren't though. There are owners out there who invest as they love the sport - Steve Gibson at Middlesborough is probably the best example. There are fan owned clubs emerging too, like Swansea and Pompey, and that IMO is the best model for clubs.

We've just had the misfortune of landing the worst set of owners in English football (until Karl Oyston moves Blackpool 40 miles and sees their stadium bought by a rugby club).

I'd love to hear which owners are on a par with SISU.

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No I didn't mean there were owners out there that have done things on par with SISU, just that a lot are in the English game for the same motivation which drew SISU here in the first place.

Oyston, Cellino, Allam, Tan, Leyton Orient owner, Venkys who knows what they would have done if they were in SISU's position, I doubt any of them would have lost any sleep over taking the same action as SISU have done.

There are a few good owners out there still, Lansdowne the guy who owns Bristol City is another good one you haven't mentioned. However imo management of clubs in England will only get worse over the coming years unless something is properly done about it.

@richh87 · Aug 9, 2015

stupot07 said:
This is what is wrong with football, that good owners are ones that encourage big spending, making losses and loaning the club money to fund those losses. It goes back to the list of 10 worst owners and the likes of Newcastle and villa being in their because having learned that spending big (e.g. Villa - bent, downing, Milner & Young) doesn't reap the rewards of champions league/european football so both have become more frugal and are therefore now poor owners.

Swansea isn't really fan ownership, they only own 20%, the rest is owned by high net worth individuals. I don't believe there's a club above league two that is 50%+ fan owned.

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Perhaps not, but I think there will be in future. If FFP means that rich benefactors aren't able to pump cash in then there's no point them being there.

If SISU leave us then a fans takeover is perfectly possible - not like there aren't enough City fans to do it.

That's the dream for me. Owners who care about the club so that we never go through this again.

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M&B Stand · Aug 9, 2015

@richh87 said:
SISU are extraordinarily bad owners - it's not like there are many other owners out there like them. They relegated us because they sold every player they could. They didn't even put up a fight.

The football on show has been awful. I suppose you think the Blackpool supporters need to chill out and 'enjoy' the football.

A club is only as good as it's owners - and City fans deserve a lot better. We've been through so much crap over the years it's unrivalled.

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couldnt care less about Blackpool to be fair. I 'enjoyed' yesterday whereas you were gutted. Says it all really.

Samo · Aug 9, 2015

@richh87 said:
Just want SISU to leave as soon as possible. They're like a terminal illness to CCFC.

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Best manager in the division, developing squad, 2-0 win, 13k crowd, more signings to come. It doesn't seem too terminal at the moment.

stupot07 · Aug 9, 2015

oucho said:
I am happy for wasps to own the ricoh and for us to stay as tenants. Sisu use this as an excuse for oyr demise, which is purely down to their mismanagement. I wouldn't want to move to a new stadium in any circumstances.

I'm in now way sticking up for SISU, they are abhorrent owners, but the rental model with limited access to revenue meant that our turnover in the championship was in the bottom 3-4 in the league, despite midtable attendances. It was inevitable that we would get relegated at some point under that model.. To put that into context the 3 other teams with the 3-4 lowest turnovers in the championship the season we got relegated were Peterborough, Barnsley and Doncaster. It is no coincidence that the 4 of us are all now in league one. The depressing thought is that unless we get a billionaire owner willing splash cash, then we're likely to struggle again when we get back to the championship under your preferred rental agreement.

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@richh87 · Aug 9, 2015

M&B Stand said:
couldnt care less about Blackpool to be fair. I 'enjoyed' yesterday whereas you were gutted. Says it all really.

Not true, I was pleased we won. I still followed it and was excited by the lineup and potential of Maddison and Armstrong.

I just want us to have something to shout about.

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stupot07 · Aug 9, 2015

@richh87 said:
Perhaps not, but I think there will be in future. If FFP means that rich benefactors aren't able to pump cash in then there's no point them being there.

If SISU leave us then a fans takeover is perfectly possible - not like there aren't enough City fans to do it.

That's the dream for me. Owners who care about the club so that we never go through this again.

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Unfortunately FFP rules are completely different in the championship and PL, where it's based on allowable losses, in fact they recently increased the threshold of losses in the championship from £6m to £15m a year, which aids those with rich benefactors so there's no real future of fan ownership in the top 2 tiers.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29940463

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@richh87 · Aug 9, 2015

Samo said:
Best manager in the division, developing squad, 2-0 win, 13k crowd, more signings to come. It doesn't seem too terminal at the moment.

Wow - rose tinted glasses or what. I should save this for in 6 months' time. You've taken possibly our highest attendance of the season, where everyone in a threadbare squad is fit and have played their best - and made out as if this is the norm.

We're not even allowed to sign a target man

What happens if Armstrong gets injured?

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Otis · Aug 9, 2015

oucho said:
I am happy for wasps to own the ricoh and for us to stay as tenants. Sisu use this as an excuse for oyr demise, which is purely down to their mismanagement. I wouldn't want to move to a new stadium in any circumstances.

I don't want to move to a new stadium either. I think the Ricoh is a fantastic stadium. If we are to stay though it needs to be as partners at the very least. Hopefully as owners in an ideal world, with the Wasps farce failing miserably.

stupot07 · Aug 9, 2015

@richh87 said:
Wow - rose tinted glasses or what. I should save this for in 6 months' time. You've taken possibly our highest attendance of the season, where everyone in a threadbare squad is fit and have played their best - and made out as if this is the norm.

We're not even allowed to sign a target man
What happens if Armstrong gets injured?

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this is new news, where did you hear that from?

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@richh87 · Aug 9, 2015

stupot07 said:
Unfortunately FFP rules are completely different in the championship and PL, where it's based on allowable losses, in fact they recently increased the threshold of losses from £6m to £15m a year, so there's no real future of fan ownership in the top 2 tiers.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29940463

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But if most of the owners are cut from the same cloth as SISU then the possibility of allowable losses won't be an advantage to them - as they wont utilise it

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SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 9, 2015

@richh87 said:
Not true, I was pleased we won. I still followed it and was excited by the lineup and potential of Maddison and Armstrong.

I just want us to have something to shout about.

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Mate as I said earlier if you don't consider it good value for money then don't go, that is a judgement everyone has to make and I decided £11 a game was good value. But don't let just the owners stop you going.

Otis · Aug 9, 2015

@richh87 said:
Wow - rose tinted glasses or what. I should save this for in 6 months' time. You've taken possibly our highest attendance of the season, where everyone in a threadbare squad is fit and have played their best - and made out as if this is the norm.

We're not even allowed to sign a target man
What happens if Armstrong gets injured?

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Not allowed? What do you mean, not allowed?

@richh87 · Aug 9, 2015

stupot07 said:
this is new news, where did you hear that from?

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Well we're allowed as long as we buy 15% more season tickets

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@richh87 · Aug 9, 2015

CCFC said:
Mate as I said earlier if you don't consider it good value for money then don't go, that is a judgement everyone has to make and I decided £11 a game was good value. But don't let just the owners stop you going.

If the football is decent then that's a bargain, no arguments from me on that score

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SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 9, 2015

Otis said:
Not allowed? What do you mean, not allowed?

Just the typical response from those beyond reason, its common knowledge Mowbray is looking to add 4 more players to the squad still.

@richh87 · Aug 9, 2015

CCFC said:
Just the typical response from those beyond reason, its common knowledge Mowbray is looking to add 4 more players to the squad still.

Er no - Waggott said so

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Sick Boy · Aug 9, 2015

oucho said:
Frankly I would rather wallow in the lower leagues than succeed under SISU, not that the latter is likely. Their conduct has been unforgivable. I don't care about the football any more, jusrt want them out

Then fuck off.

fernandopartridge · Aug 9, 2015

Sick Boy said:
Then fuck off.

I know. What a deluded c**t.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 9, 2015

@richh87 said:
Er no - Waggott said so

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Well the likelihood is if we don't get the 15% or close more sales, Mowbray will still be looking to add the same number of players but either they will be of lower quality than his initial targets or a fringe player or two will have be moved off the wage bill to make room.

SydneySkyBlue · Aug 9, 2015

Is this what we've been reduced to?

A load of apologists who'll now make any excuse to hand over there money?

SISU are immoral and those who ignore the facts are too.

NOPM until I have a club I can support again.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 9, 2015

SydneySkyBlue said:
Is this what we've been reduced to?

A load of apologisers who'll now make any excuse to hand over there money?

SISU are immoral and those who ignore the facts are too.

NOPM until I have a club I can support again.

You do have a club you can support, you choose not to.

@richh87 · Aug 9, 2015

SydneySkyBlue said:
Is this what we've been reduced to?

A load of apologisers who'll now make any excuse to hand over there money?

SISU are immoral and those who ignore the facts are too.

NOPM until I have a club I can support again.

Amen.

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Otis · Aug 9, 2015

@richh87 said:
Amen.

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And can the last one on the way out please switch the lights off and close the door behind them.

Sick Boy · Aug 9, 2015

SydneySkyBlue said:
Is this what we've been reduced to?

A load of apologists who'll now make any excuse to hand over there money?

SISU are immoral and those who ignore the facts are too.

NOPM until I have a club I can support again.

Haha in that case surely ccc and wasps are also immoral? The sooner we get rid of supporters like you the better imo. You have obviously been looking for an excuse to pack it in for years and are intent on spreading your negativity.

@richh87 · Aug 9, 2015

Sick Boy said:
Haha in that case surely ccc and wasps are also immoral? The sooner we get rid of supporters like you the better imo. You have obviously been looking for an excuse to pack it in for years and are intent on spreading your negativity.

You've always made posts that lack intelligence but contain insults. Can you explain how Wasps are immoral?

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SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 9, 2015

@richh87 said:
You've always made posts that lack intelligence but contain insults. Can you explain how Wasps are immoral?

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Moving a team 80 miles or whatever it was for financial reasons with no regard for there existing fans, the exact thing which SISU were rightly labasted for doing on a temporary basis?

Surely you can see where people are coming from here?

Astute · Aug 9, 2015

Sick Boy said:
Yes I would love to see us actually build a new stadium. Sadly we will never know who insisted on the deal. Perhaps that is all that was on offer; maybe it wasnt but sadly we will never actually know.

I have a feeling that we will. That is why I am looking forward to the next JR. The only chance there is of us not finding out is if the questioning is about separate matters. But this doesn't seem to be the case.

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