Michael Owen was 17 when he first played for Liverpool at a standard considerably above what we play. Wayne Rooney was 17. Robbie Fowler was 18. If you don’t give them a chance they can’t do it. We’re playing a striker who hasn’t scored in our last 15 games and the other only fir one has scored one goal all season yet we have someone within the club who appears to know where the net is. Seems to me give the guy a go if he shows he’s not up to it fair enough but he may well surprise the management team.
We play one up front anyone who thinks Tavares will contribute a tenth of what Gyokeres did yesterday is clueless
Michael Owen was 17 when he first played for Liverpool at a standard considerably above what we play. Wayne Rooney was 17. Robbie Fowler was 18. If you don’t give them a chance they can’t do it. We’re playing a striker who hasn’t scored in our last 15 games and the other only fir one has scored one goal all season yet we have someone within the club who appears to know where the net is. Seems to me give the guy a go if he shows he’s not up to it fair enough but he may well surprise the management team.
Owen, Fowler and Rooney weren’t young prospects who magically turned into stars because they got enough 10-minute cameos at the end of games. They played because they were supreme talents, as identified by their coaches. Tavares is a kid who does great against Barnsley U23s and Solihull reserves. None of his coaches, either here or at Rochdale, have seen enough yet to think he could make the first team better.
Bit harsh, he made 18 appearances off the bench for Rochdale last season before we signed him in January. So he was obviously well thought of by Rochdale just a bit raw, but he was in and around the first team there.
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Cashmans loan has been appalling
sometimes you are a twat = nobody has suggested him playing the same role, but maybe 10 minutes at the end to see if he can maybe use the adrenaline to get his career up and running - if he is out of his depth, nothing lost, continue the developmentWe play one up front anyone who thinks Tavares will contribute a tenth of what Gyokeres did yesterday is clueless
They were clearly ready for the first X1 though.
I remember seeing Owen play against us at 17 at Anfield and he was sensational.
I'm sure if Tavares was showing he was ready for the first team he'd be in.
Eccles is the same age and wason the bench yesterday.
Robins clearly think Tavares isn't ready, I trust his judgement.
How many penalties has Tavares saved?and how many goals has Eccles scored
First month won player of the month. Hasn't featured sincehe started quite well didn't he?
Sick of hearing the "Tavares needs a chance" bollocks.
Hes 21, about 8 stone wet through and because he's scored 4 against Solihull B team people want him in the first team. This isn't football manager, I get you want to bring through an unknown youngster who will tear up the championship because he got 2 goals and an assist against Barnsley reserves, but fact is, he isn't big enough. The coaches know when he's ready. "Worth bringing on for the last 20 mins surely"
Why?
Whats his size and weight for anything to do with playing the game and having talent. Absolute dinosaur thoughts. How do you know he’s not strong?
At his age, banging in the goals for the U23s is all he can and should do and I for one, thinks he deserves a chance.
If he’s good enough, he’s big enough.
and Robins obviously thinks he's not good enough, at least not yet.
Probably but it’s got fuck all to do with him being 11 stone and ‘wet through’.
What a shit comment.
We play one up front anyone who thinks Tavares will contribute a tenth of what Gyokeres did yesterday is clueless
Gyokeres is the only one of our strikers who can work on his own imo as he is (relatively) quick , tall and strongWe play one up front anyone who thinks Tavares will contribute a tenth of what Gyokeres did yesterday is clueless
As usual a lot of posters righting him off already,unfair I just wish robins starts him and then judge him from there,Saints in the f.a cup coming up give him a start robins and let's see.
When I was first going to City games young players were constantly thrown in to test them out, and that was in the top division. Sealey, Oakey, Thomas, Gillespie, Roberts, Dyson, Butterworth, Blair, Jacobs, Gooding, Hendrie, Thompson, Hateley, English, Bodak, Bannister etc all got chances in a very short time span. Different times maybe, but until Tavares gets his chance none of us will really know if he's up to it or not. He can't do much more than what he's doing in the under 23's that's for sure. I suspect he will start to feature on the bench fairly soon and looking at the fixture overload in February particularly, a chance will mostly present itself, then its up to him.
Is that a club where everyone eats polos?Have heard from my friend at the polo club that a few 'big' clubs are looking at Tavares and that we would accept the right offer. Strange.
The ones you mention are ones who ended up successful mainly - there are many others who didn’t as they were no good
The thing about the star players mentioned is that they stood out in their age groups head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch
When they moved into the first team squads they continued to stand out
I once saw Dele Alli play for MK U18s, it was incredible how much better he was than everyone else even though he was a year younger than most on the pitch
when he stepped up he continued to improve (petered out now though......)
I've seen Tavares play a few times. He's decent but doesn't stand out
He's training with the first team now so he has the chance to push on if he shows his team mates and the manager that he can make the grade
Fingers crossed for the lad
Who is, out of interest?Regular U23 viewers would probably agree with me that he's not even the standout player most weeks though.
I have absolutely no idea how good Tavares is. I haven't seen him in the flesh at all, and as such have no real opinion on whether he is 'ready' or not. I would trust Robins to be the best judge of when that may be.
The thing that worries me the most is we have the usual suspects arguing for and against without really knowing. Those saying he is nowhere near ready etc will be the first to jump on his back if he doesn't score in his first 5 minute cameo. On the other side, he'll have a good first touch and people will be saying stick him in the first 11. He turned 21 at the weekend. He's still young. Yes, there are standout talents that break through at 16, 17, 18. Some people take longer to develop. Let's just back the lad if he gets the opportunity, show a little patience, and hopefully he makes the grade.
tbf, it's probably more that he's a forward, and we're somewhat lacking in fit ones, just atm.Totally.
Although I haven't really seen many (any?) say he's "nowhere near"?
I'd wager the biggest clamour for him is from people who have never seen him play though.
Who would you say are the standout players in our u23s this season?Spot on.
One of the best individual performances I have ever seen was Cesc Fabregas in a Reserves game when he first arrived in England. Absolutely bossed the game, head & shoulders above everyone else on the pitch, including a lot of senior pros on both sides, he was just 16 years old.
However...
"Age is but a number"
"If you're good enough you're old enough" yada yada.
Players develop at different rates. Just because Tavares is 21 years old & scoring regularly at U23 level doesn't mean he's ready yet. He plays up front in a decent U23 side so naturally grabs the goals & therefore the limelight. Regular U23 viewers would probably agree with me that he's not even the standout player most weeks though.
He has potential & is developing well but is still very raw & massively needs to improve physically imo. He has a chance but he won't be thrown in before he's ready.
Who would you say are the standout players in our u23s this season?
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Hopefully a few break into the first team over the next few seasons saving us a fortuneAs you'd probably expect given their ages & the level they're playing, a lot show flashes - in that I'd say Tavares, Rus, Tyler, Ngandu.
In terms of consistency, I like G.Burroughs & Rowe at the back & Howley in midfield is a real talent for his age.
The opposition varies in quality quite wildly though.
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