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Grendel

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Barnsley said:
According to our CEO we’ve got an avoidable fee agreed should we want to sign him, “ it’s in the region as to what we usually pay”

Love the fact Carlton Morris is going unnoticed due to D-K, might be able to keep him a bit longer.
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record Transfer fee if £1.5 million isn’t it?
 
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procdoc said:
What’s your point? We never said Gyo was better. Is there any indication that he was desperate to sign for us but because we signed Gyo he went to Barnsley instead? Nope didn’t think so
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We couldn’t afford him mate he had a £20 million clause in his loan👍🏻 Gyokeres was the best out there👍🏻
 
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Boosh said:
We couldn’t afford him mate he had a £20 million clause in his loan👍🏻 Gyokeres was the best out there👍🏻
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I never said that Gyo was the best out there though. I never said he had 20m buy out clause in his loan, he maybe has a 20m clause in his contract, I wasn’t the one who said that either way. Go and cry over Robins or have a wank over players we haven’t signed you fucking idiot
 
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procdoc said:
I never said that Gyo was the best out there though. I never said he had 20m buy out clause in his loan, he maybe has a 20m clause in his contract, I wasn’t the one who said that either way. Go and cry over Robins or have a wank over players we haven’t signed you fucking idiot
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Okay I respect your opinion mate👍🏻 Maybe take some time away from the screen you’re getting a bit worked up👍🏻
 
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Boosh said:
Okay I respect your opinion mate👍🏻 Maybe take some time away from the screen you’re getting a bit worked up👍🏻
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Barnsley’s release states there’s an option to buy in the loan deal, but Julia Poe of the Orlando Sentinel reported that a league source indicated to her that the price tag is high — $20 million for 80% of his rights. Orlando would retain 20% of any sale by Barnsley, so if the English side did decide to go all-in on Dike, the Lions would reap a substantial financial windfall.
 
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Grendel

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procdoc said:
Wow, I don’t remember that. There are no words 😂
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Brace yourself.

dongonzalos said:
My point on the matter for people want to genuinely debate it and not just post WUM, Morron, idiot, dick head or that wanker icon etc......

Thorn took over from AB when we were on a dreadful losing streak.

We IMO at that point were one dimensional we could not play any other way we were lumping it. AB did the same at Colchester, their fans say that the first half of the season they played direct football, they were up there at the top of the table, then in the second half of the season the opposition knew what was coming and AB had no plan B. Most of their fans were glad when he left for this reason.

Andy Thorn took exactly the same bunch of players got them playing passing football and IMO it was good to watch and I believe he saved us from relegation.

Some people suggest that this was a honeymoon period. I accept that, some teams do get an instant reaction from the change of manager. However not all do and I also think it cant be put just down to that. The new manager has to be doing something right otherwise Cov would have been one of those teams where the honeymoon period did not work. Also he is now achieving the same success so there has to be a different explanation for the drop iin form and the now return to form.

I think Thorn looked at the players we had and decided they were more suited to passing football, that suited those particular players and it worked.

He was definately not the first choice. According to Ranson he recommended him. However I think we all know SISU went for him as a cheap option. I think this is why some people dislike him.

People say he is just a scout and is too inexperienced. Well he has played football at the top level. Yes he was a scout but so what, Jose Mourinho was an interpreter for Bobby Robson. So I dont see how that really is an issue. ( no I am not saying he is the new Mourinho)

All managers have to start somewhere Coventry are currently a lower championship side so why are Coventry not suitable for a new young manager to start his career.

I believe he has a good reputation as a scout which to me suggests he has the ability to see whether someone is a good player and envisage how they will fit into a team.
I see this as a positive I find it strange that people see it as a negative.

Coventry lost Westwood, Turner, Gunnarson and King. The reasons why are a different debate. Carlsey and Mcindoe retired.

These were replaced with McDonald and Murphy. I think Westwood is better than Murphy. However Murphy is a good enough replacement to limit that damage too much. McDDonald may be a good replacement for King in the future but he got injured so only time will tell.

Now if you lose 6 players and bring in 2, to what was in IMO already a bit of a small squad I think that is likely to have a negative impact on the ability of that team to preform the same as it was before you did this.

Now you may say Mcindoe was crap however he was a senior pro with experience. I would not have wanted him at Cov for another season but I would have preferred if once he left he was replaced with a senior championship pro. I also feel the same about Carsley.

So I honestly believe it is a big ask to lose 6 experienced first team players 2 of which were your best players and replace them with 2 players and expect exactly the same performances or better from the team.

People say we are now succeeding as Thorn is no longer making mistakes. Every manager makes mistakes even Ferguson. When I have asked on here what mistakes is Thorn making. The only thing people have replied with was not making substitutions quicker. My belief on that subject was if the subs bench had players on it that were better than what was on the pitch he would have made the changes.
I think this has been demonstrated by the fact that now he does have a stronger subs bench he is making the changes and those changes seem to make an impact.

However if tomorrow on the back of the telegraph it says Clingan, Cameron, Mcdonald, Deegan out for 6 weeks. We will go back to kids on the bench. We may start losing games again. IMO this would not then be down to Thorn making mistakes but it would be mostly due to the lack of depth in our squad because of the situation we are in.

Thorn lost his top striker in January he was allowed to make a couple of signings he chose Nimely and Norwood. Now some say this was easy they play for Man Utd and Man City. Well many players have gone out on loan from these clubs and have not had the impact of Nimely or Norwood. So I think unless somebody knows different I think Thorn should be given credit for those signings.

Now we lost 6 in the summer 2 in January all senior pros and we have signed 5. I dont think it is coincidence that once the squad has a little bit more depth then the results have picked up. However I would prefer it to have been 8 out 8 in but that is the situation we are in. Also Fat Freddie was a twat and was another experienced pro effectively not avaialable. It is a shame about Herman. Some could say that was Thorns fault looking at Hermans record. So that one could have been a mistake.

Thorn has now having a similar run to what he had at the end of last season.

I dont think he has suddenly changed his tactics I dont think he is suddenly not making mistakes. I think he has more depth of squad and has a couple of options. Clarke has come back from injury. Cody, Clingan and Cameron have come back from injury. We need Wood back from Injury.

Some say Thorn was chosing to play the youngsters. I think the fact that Christie, Bigi and Thomas now are rotated and play a bit here and there, shows that having the options then Thorn would have used them sparingly and developed them.

Don't get me wrong I think they are good players with great potential. However they should not be week in week out players that we depend on. That is not just about age it is about their readiness for a full season.

Norwood and Nimely seem more ready and so are more consistent.

So in summary Thorn like every manager makes mistakes putting fat freddie on for 2 minutes is one I certainly agree with.
I accept everything is not black and white and there are shades of grey. However something tips the balance and is the difference between a winning run and a losing one.

IMO this balance has been tipped in these circumstances not by Thorn suddenly not making mistakes but most important factor has been a greater depth in the squad by his good signings and a couple of players returning from injury.

I hope he keeps us up and I hope we dont lose him as a manager in the summer. If he does keep us up I think other clubs may have a bit of look at him.

The general consensus in the media on Radio 5 and Talk Sport seems to be a bit of shock at what Coventry are doing under the financial constraints. That will not go un noticed with other clubs.

If Thorn discovers SISU may do another fire sale. He may look at it and think I am on a hiding to nothing. A club that is willing to let him sign a few players maybe more tempting to him.

I personally would like to see him get another years contract whether we stay up or go down.

I initially said a 5 year contract on this. I was rightly shot down on that one but I think at least a year.

Anyway no winding up that is my genuine views. I am interested in hearing what mistakes people think Thorn is now not making and/or why it is some people do not think he is the right man for the job.
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procdoc said:
Wow, I don’t remember that. There are no words 😂
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Also a random thread that when West Ham were promoted they would have been much more ahead if they’d had thorn and not Allardyce

CJ Parker said he was better than Sillett and Non league talking shite said he was a better manager than Sean Dyche

Sky Blue John may have been the fergie quote
 
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Grendel said:
Also a random thread that when West Ham were promoted they would have been much more ahead if they’d had thorn and not Allardyce

CJ Parker said he was better than Sillett and Non league talking shite said he was a better manager than Sean Dyche

Sky Blue John may have been the fergie quote
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Dongo’s Thorn quote was elsewhere it’s just that Tolstoyesque piece I had to revive
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Correct. We didn’t sack Strachan and that went well, then we didn’t sack thorn and that went as well as expected
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26 managers in the last 20 years suggests it maybe time to try and stick with one for a while. Mark Robins comes in and slowly brings in his own staff, his own players and his own philosophy. I hope he is also having an impact on the style played by the under 23's and the youth teams.
You sack him and then the new manager will want his own staff, his own players and will have his own philosophy. It leads to a new culture change that will likely take years for them fully imbed. During their time trying to achieve this they will no doubt have a rocky patch. At this point some will want them sacked and off we go again on a little merry go round of distrubtion and change.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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procdoc said:
I couldn’t stand Thorn so no idea where you’re getting that from
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The point I was making was that sticking with something that has clearly ran its course is not a good idea.

I love Robins, but football is a cut throat business.

it comes down to how you think this will end. I think we’re getting worse, and panic stations are starting. We’ve got 9 games to save our season. We need a fresh look on it, someone who isn’t terrified to try and win a game rather than trying not to lose.
 
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Gregbant said:
26 managers in the last 20 years suggests it maybe time to try and stick with one for a while. Mark Robins comes in and slowly brings in his own staff, his own players and his own philosophy. I hope he is also having an impact on the style played by the under 23's and the youth teams.
You sack him and then the new manager will want his own staff, his own players and will have his own philosophy. It leads to a new culture change that will likely take years for them fully imbed. During their time trying to achieve this they will no doubt have a rocky patch. At this point some will want them sacked and off we go again on a little merry go round of distrubtion and change.
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Robins has been here 4 years he’s done his part. Maybe just maybe he’s took us as far as he can.

if we get relegated how many do you think we’ll average next season in League One? It won’t be the 17k Boddy is preparing for.

when it comes to culture, you bring in someone who buys into that culture. Brentford do that and by the looks of it so do Barnsley
 
Paxman II

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Football is a funny old game and Robins has the respect of his players and the football club. Vivash is also as much a part of the coaching/managing team, that have doen an excellent job in recent seasons. Exceptional in fact given all the circumstances surrounding this football club. Everyone to a man agreed that if we can stay up it will be a great acheivement. What changed? there are 9 games to go and we do not look favourites for the drop. We are likely to win when we least expect it and have a crappy draw when we least expect it (Wycombe) but to even consider the guy should be replaced is the worry to me. He has had some terrible key injuries to cope with just to compund the problems, playing 3rd and 4th choice strikers most of the season! Don't even get me started on playing 'away' all season again and covid giving us no crowd support. A 12th man from the crowd suport was always a key element on our tough return to the championship. Other key players out for long periods. He probably knows more about the game and how to get a team to perform than all of us put together.
Stop the nonsense or forever hold your peace when he gets a few wins and keeps us up. Don't come back here claiming how wonderful he is.
I've every confidence we will be fine. I'd certainly hate to be Birmingham. Wycombe and Wednesday are gone for me. It's Rotherham or Birmingham to drop, and I hope it's not our landlords.
 
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Paxman II said:
Football is a funny old game and Robins has the respect of his players and the football club. Vivash is also as much a part of the coaching/managing team, that have doen an excellent job in recent seasons. Exceptional in fact given all the circumstances surrounding this football club. Everyone to a man agreed that if we can stay up it will be a great acheivement. What changed? there are 9 games to go and we do not look favourites for the drop. We are likely to win when we least expect it and have a crappy draw when we least expect it (Wycombe) but to even consider the guy should be replaced is the worry to me. He has had some terrible key injuries to cope with just to compund the problems, playing 3rd and 4th choice strikers most of the season! Don't even get me started on playing 'away' all season again and covid giving us no crowd support. A 12th man from the crowd suport was always a key element on our tough return to the championship. Other key players out for long periods. He probably knows more about the game and how to get a team to perform than all of us put together.
Stop the nonsense or forever hold your peace when he gets a few wins and keeps us up. Don't come back here claiming how wonderful he is.
I've every confidence we will be fine. I'd certainly hate to be Birmingham. Wycombe and Wednesday are gone for me. It's Rotherham or Birmingham to drop, and I hope it's not our landlords.
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It’s probably a good job we didn’t have fans yesterday...

Look it will be a great achievement, we should be looking to finish above Wycombe, Rotherham and Sheff Weds though, for me it’s the lost faith I have in getting over the line. 3DMs against Wycombe suggests he doesn’t trust his team.

look If Robins stays up I’ll more than happy eat my words. I’ll put a retraction post on here and accept what ever people want to say.

I’ve Just belief I’ll get to see Hamer and O’Hare play championship football in Coventry
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
It’s probably a good job we didn’t have fans yesterday...

Look it will be a great achievement, we should be looking to finish above Wycombe, Rotherham and Sheff Weds though, for me it’s the lost faith I have in getting over the line. 3DMs against Wycombe suggests he doesn’t trust his team.

look If Robins stays up I’ll more than happy eat my words. I’ll put a retraction post on here and accept what ever people want to say.

I’ve Just belief I’ll get to see Hamer and O’Hare play championship football in Coventry
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Who’s your man to replace him
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Robins has been here 4 years he’s done his part. Maybe just maybe he’s took us as far as he can.

if we get relegated how many do you think we’ll average next season in League One? It won’t be the 17k Boddy is preparing for.

when it comes to culture, you bring in someone who buys into that culture. Brentford do that and by the looks of it so do Barnsley
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You might be right, football is very different to any other industry. I just struggle to see how any business does really well if it changes its main manager every year or so leading to wholesale changes in the management team, the staff and the philosophy.
Regarding attendances I guess it depends if we are flying in league one like last year. Compared to bottom 5 in the championship, although you do a bigger away crowds in the championship.
 
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I'm wondering if maybe close season they'll consider adding in another coach, maybe Doyle? Might get a bit feisty him and Adi though.

I think we need a forwards coach, even if it's part-time.
 
lordy_87

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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
The point I was making was that sticking with something that has clearly ran its course is not a good idea.

I love Robins, but football is a cut throat business.

it comes down to how you think this will end. I think we’re getting worse, and panic stations are starting. We’ve got 9 games to save our season. We need a fresh look on it, someone who isn’t terrified to try and win a game rather than trying not to lose.
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I agree with many people's frustrations on Robins but calling for "a fresh look on it" AKA sack the manager is ridiculous. As it stands we're not even going down, we have done well so far this season even though there have been many slip ups along the way.
 
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Grendel said:
Also a random thread that when West Ham were promoted they would have been much more ahead if they’d had thorn and not Allardyce

CJ Parker said he was better than Sillett and Non league talking shite said he was a better manager than Sean Dyche

Sky Blue John may have been the fergie quote
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It was actually that he’d get West Ham into the Champions’ League.
I’m pretty sure at one point in the madness someone actually touted him as a potential future England manager.
It would be interesting to see if there’s a correlation between the Thornites and the Cult.
 
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