Nick
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Common sense tells me to look at the players we have brought in and the squad to get an idea rather than something Fisher said months before the season started.
Experience tells us if anything Fisher overplays his hand not underplays. Common sense based on this fact alone would tell that you should probably admit that you’re assumptions are wrong. You won’t though because you are you.
We have a top 5 budget, there’s no doubt about that in my mind.
1) We have one of the biggest playing squads in the league, top 5 possibly top 3 size of squad easily.
2) Not relying on loans like a lot of the other big clubs like....Exeter and Notts C
3) We have also heard from opposing managers Steve Evans and Sarll (Stevenage) that Coventry blew them out the water with some targets.
4) A lot of of MR signings were from League 1, Doyle, McNulty, Davies, Obrian, Vincenti, McDonald, Andreu/Hyam/Grimmer - championship,
Biamou and Kelly (technically)only ones from Non league.
Most of the clubs at this level do business from lower leagues or rely on loans.
People keep moaning about lack of goals, but only the top two are smashing us on goal difference.
I guess you could not get on wiki quick enough to check but yes I made a mistake it was forest , my bad , it’s not a history lesson but more of an example of how pressure can help
However it proves if it was forest Norwich or who ever else it put the pressure on him to get things moving
I have given him a B+ as yes we in the autos , so the pressure should be kept up on him to achieve , he knows it . He might not walk out on us next time like before .
The apathy displayed by some CCFC supporters is remarkable , we need to get out of the league first time round and then not come back
I see nothing wrong applying pressure , especially now , he should be doing it to the players and we should expect that he can do his best
For the sake of the fans and no other reason .
If we fail to get the playoffs then you will see lots of fans wanting his head immeadiatly , then he will know all about pressure.
We are in a tight pack of teams and the time to get it right is now not next year.
He has got us here hence B+ but it’s also in his hands to cock it up with bad choices , a bit of pressure to remind him won’t hurt
Do you have a link to the 8th best budget comment? Not doubting you, just haven't heard that one before.
I remember him making a comment about our budget being mid range league 1, before we were relegated. Can't recall any comments about league 2 though.
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I didn't use Wikipedia, the fact it was Forest in round 3 of the 1990 FA cup, after 3 trophyless years, is common knowledge. 3 years - not one season. You're using that example to argue that MR shouldn't be given three years but should be under pressure for his job after half a season at this level.
To be clear, should he be sacked if we're not promoted this season? What if we don't make the play-offs?
I didn't use Wikipedia, the fact it was Forest in round 3 of the 1990 FA cup, after 3 trophyless years, is common knowledge. 3 years - not one season. You're using that example to argue that MR shouldn't be given three years but should be under pressure for his job after half a season at this level.
To be clear, should he be sacked if we're not promoted this season? What if we don't make the play-offs?
I noticed that when I looked at the table after the game yesterday. It's a bit misleading though as some of that is down to us not conceding many.
Is it critical for us to get out of this division at the first time of asking?
Is this squad good enough for the top 7?
It's the only two questions that need to be asked and I believe the answer is yes to both. With that in mind, for me:
Promotion gets him a chance to build long term, even if we ended up relegated from L1 again.
A loss in the play offs then I'd be disappointed but let him have a 2nd crack as most of the squad are on 2 year contracts, so it makes sense to have some continuity.
Outside the play offs then bye bye - it will be our first half negativity away from home that has cost us and that would be on MR.
I don't disagree, but nor do I think that failure after one season should be a sackable offence. Do you? - Edit - just saw your post above where you give your view on that question.If we don't make the playoffs he has clearly failed.
I don't disagree, but nor do I think that failure after one season should be a sackable offence. Do you?
IMO I'd give him three seasons minimum and judge him then.
Disagree. I do not see why a manager's job has to hang on performance over a single season. Judge him after 3 years; if we're not in League One by then, yes it's time to get rid.Without a doubt, he has even more pressure now as he is in auto play spot , its his to cock up .
Common sense tells me to look at the players we have brought in and the squad to get an idea rather than something Fisher said months before the season started.
Called it
Robin’s was very clear in what he said with regards to fees. I am sure others there heard him say the same. There was also a video I think.
So we are going to ignore everything else and just focus on something Fisher said months before the season, completely ignoring the squad, comments from other teams etc?.
I don't disagree, but nor do I think that failure after one season should be a sackable offence. Do you? - Edit - just saw your post above where you give your view on that question.
IMO I'd give him three seasons minimum and judge him then.
to be fair, if we had a chairman who we believed in, that's exactly what we should be doing...
If that's the case, then every team is this league has the same squad depth, because our consists of players taken from our youth team...Fisher said in the top 8 and as I have repeatedly said budgets are no indication of actual spend whatsoever. It’s pretty clear to anyone from squad depth that in reality it’s higher than that.
If that's the case, then every team is this league has the same squad depth, because our consists of players taken from our youth team...
There is still time to cancel it but unless things improve before the end of December it has to be arriving for Mr Robins soon.
No the U23's have been included and blended into our squad for years, they make up most the numbers. I see your point, but having to bring in youth and then saying we still have squad depth is daft in my opinion, our squad is thin.Again, The U23 players are only included due to injuries aren't they?
Shipley, Maycock, Bayliss and DKE would probably not even have made the bench if we didn't have any injuries.
So the moan is that we use players from the academy now?
No the U23's have been included and blended into our squad for years, they make up most the numbers. I see your point, but having to bring in youth and then saying we still have squad depth is daft in my opinion, our squad is thin.
So we are going to ignore everything else and just focus on something Fisher said months before the season, completely ignoring the squad, comments from other teams etc?
Like I said, it's using common sense. Robins doesn't have a hands tied excuse.
No the U23's have been included and blended into our squad for years, they make up most the numbers. I see your point, but having to bring in youth and then saying we still have squad depth is daft in my opinion, our squad is thin.
Common sense? Aren’t you one of the posters who insisted last season that we had a top half or top six budget? How did that work out? Is that the common sense that you’re using here? You think it’s common sense to base something Fisher said as underplaying his hand? What are you basing that on exactly? It’s not history, historically he’s always overplayed his hand. How many teams exactly have said they can’t compete with us? What’s their gate receipts historically and how does that compare to ours?
Robbins isn’t using any excuse that I can see. He’s doing a good job all things considered but to assume he doesn’t have his hands tied is completely ignorant to SISU’s tenure. Their mere presence is enough to do that. Not that you would notice.
Squad depth is the only thing that does point to maybe being more. The quality argument's a red herring... and one that pops up every season!Fisher said in the top 8 and as I have repeatedly said budgets are no indication of actual spend whatsoever. It’s pretty clear to anyone from squad depth that in reality it’s higher than that.
Squad depth is the only thing that does point to maybe being more. The quality argument's a red herring... and one that pops up every season!
Really Robins has brought in a bunch of reserves and has-beens.
Oh, or regulars in failing or non league teams.
The recruitment was hardly of those with a top notch reputation at this level, or the one above, so nothing there to suggest it's a large budget really. That doesn't mean it *isn't*, however, but the squad's been either Robins backing himself to get players to capture spurts of past form, to develop with regular football, to get over past injuries, or in Doyle's case, to keep going and put off the advance of time.
After all, for a squad with Ryan Haynes featuring to be top 3 must point to Robins doing something right in getting players playing, eh?
No the U23's have been included and blended into our squad for years, they make up most the numbers. I see your point, but having to bring in youth and then saying we still have squad depth is daft in my opinion, our squad is thin.
Probably the same as us, draft in youth players. Our only advantage is that our youth team is better than everyone's in this league.It probably is when you ignore injured players and youth players.
What would Lincoln do with their squad size if they had our injuries?
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