Malaka
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fascinating read. I am pretty sure that the Gulf war was over oil going to besold in Euros instead of dollars, which would have totally wrecked the US ecconomy and the value of the dollar
fascinating read. I am pretty sure that the Gulf war was over oil going to besold in Euros instead of dollars, which would have totally wrecked the US ecconomy and the value of the dollarIt's all about a gas pipe line
Picked this up in the aussie news
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle...t/news-story/74efcba9554c10bd35e280b63a9afb74
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I hate to upset all your drama queening but he didn't call everyone who disagreed with bombing a terrorist sympathiser. He said "“You should not be walking through the lobbies with Jeremy Corbyn and a bunch of terrorist sympathisers,”
Referring I should imagine to Corbyn, McDonnell and Livingstone's recent and not so recent comments about terror organisations.
Still, best to ignore the facts and have a tizzy eh?
I hate to upset all your drama queening but he didn't call everyone who disagreed with bombing a terrorist sympathiser. He said "“You should not be walking through the lobbies with Jeremy Corbyn and a bunch of terrorist sympathisers,”
Referring I should imagine to Corbyn, McDonnell and Livingstone's recent and not so recent comments about terror organisations.
Still, best to ignore the facts and have a tizzy eh?
Which comments were those?
You don't think think Cameron was implying with his remarks that objection to bombing equalled terrorist sympathies?I hate to upset all your drama queening but he didn't call everyone who disagreed with bombing a terrorist sympathiser. He said "“You should not be walking through the lobbies with Jeremy Corbyn and a bunch of terrorist sympathisers,”
Referring I should imagine to Corbyn, McDonnell and Livingstone's recent and not so recent comments about terror organisations.
Still, best to ignore the facts and have a tizzy eh?
You don't think think Cameron was implying with his remarks that objection to bombing equalled terrorist sympathies?
As has been pointed out, if this wasn't the intention, he should have clarified this then and since as he has had ample opportunity to do so, but his refusal to offer anything is very telling indeed.
Still, best ignore this when delivering condescending drivel eh?
You can read implications into anything you like sweetie. I'll stick to what they say.
Really going for the full Michael Winner ensemble here aren't you fella, and sounding as ludicrous as he used to too.You can read implications into anything you like sweetie. I'll stick to what they say.
There seems to be little appetite for this action from the public at the moment. Will be interesting to say if and how that changes when the attacks become more despicable and closer to home.
I hate to upset all your drama queening but he didn't call everyone who disagreed with bombing a terrorist sympathiser. He said "“You should not be walking through the lobbies with Jeremy Corbyn and a bunch of terrorist sympathisers,”
Referring I should imagine to Corbyn, McDonnell and Livingstone's recent and not so recent comments about terror organisations.
Still, best to ignore the facts and have a tizzy eh?
Just to be clear, you don't want to go to war with Syria, but will happily antagonise our trade partners around the globe to meet your own moral compass?
Just to be clear, you don't want to go to war with Syria, but will happily antagonise our trade partners around the globe to meet your own moral compass?
My point actually is I'm fed up to the back-teeth with all the propaganda and quarter-truths being flaunted around by left wing drama queens on every topic under the sun. All the memes with misattributed quotes from Cameron; all the recession-denial; all the hyperbole around the NHS and so on. They may fool some but it's wrong and I detest it.
With respect the majority of our mainstream is so far right wing that I'm surprised they have met them on the way back round.
With respect the majority of our mainstream is so far right wing that I'm surprised they have met them on the way back round.
With respect the majority of our mainstream is so far right wing that I'm surprised they have met them on the way back round.
On the one hand I think its so obvious its not having any impact but everyday I see people regurgitate these sort of headlines as facts.
I guess on balance you are correct, The Mail, The Express et al annoy me just as much. But Facebook and any chat site I've been to is crammed to the gunnels with rude and aggressive left wingers spouting complete bollocks and name-calling anyone who disagree with them. I can easily avoid the crappy newspapers but I cannot avoid the countless lying Cameron memes 'liked' by my friends on FB.
It's an interesting point you raise. The media is generally right-wing, with social media definitely the popular place of the left-wing. I wonder what and how that will translate in the ballot box.
I live in Germany and at the moment I am getting right wing and pro Putin stuff shared by acquaintances and others from Facebook groups. My "left wing" mate even shared a RT report that Putins bombs killed 600 terrorists and no civilians- unlike the US who hit a hospital in Afghanistan. The right and pro Putin agree that Germany is an occupied country carrying out the whims of the US. Many right wing want Germany to swap alliance from the West to Russia. In comparison German state TV and The press is mild, and the right complain of the "Lügenpresse" ( lying press ) - as did Göbels did ( or rather the "Bolschewikpresse" at that time ).
It's an interesting point you raise. The media is generally right-wing, with social media definitely the popular place of the left-wing. I wonder what and how that will translate in the ballot box.
I hate having a weak opposition - and I honestly believe that Corbyn is weak. Well-meaning I'm sure but completely misguided IMO. I see a shoe-in for Boris in 2020 as it stands - it may be a little tougher for the Tories if Osbourn gets the crown but I still think he'd beat a Left-lead Labour party. Unfortunately Ed stabbed their best chance of power in the back. I distrust most politicians with a passion - it's always me me me over what's best for the country. Oddly enough, I do trust Corbyn's intentions; he's just wrong on most things.
Really? I know the borris stupid eccentricity is an act, but most see how as a buffoon and in that cases unelectable. Surely the safest hands the country has been in for years in terms of the economy make Osborne far more a likely Victor in an election.
For me it seems like a battle between the politics of the establishment - what has always been and should remain, and the idealistic harmony - but is it deliverable?... that I think is where he will win or lose.
Really? I know the borris stupid eccentricity is an act, but most see how as a buffoon and in that cases unelectable. Surely the safest hands the country has been in for years in terms of the economy make Osborne far more a likely Victor in an election.
I guess on balance you are correct, The Mail, The Express et al annoy me just as much. But Facebook and any chat site I've been to is crammed to the gunnels with rude and aggressive left wingers spouting complete bollocks and name-calling anyone who disagree with them. I can easily avoid the crappy newspapers but I cannot avoid the countless lying Cameron memes 'liked' by my friends on FB.
In August when I was in Edinburgh, I walked past some men selling the Socialist Worker. They were shouting "Labour didn't cause the recession - the Tories did". I thought better of asking them on what basis they could possibly reach that conclusion.
It's not lazy, you just have to possess the ability to read between the lines and come to an informed conclusion.
Politics is a pantomime for public consumption, the reality behind the veil is quite different. Oh and by the way, Cameron is a man being played like a flute; his decisions are not his own, neither are the words from his mouth - he's a figurehead. He's not interested in legacies for God's sake, he's interested in lining his pockets with as much dirty, blood-stained cash as he possibly can.
Labour/Tory much the same in Scotland. Both right of centre of parties. It makes you think what an electable third party could do in the Midlands.
I think one of the main problems with the Labour Party in Coventry is that they don't realise how right wing they are. I would say there is some truth to the rumour of there being two labour parties at the moment. One that has backing of a hell of a lot of its membership and the other in their ivory tower waiting to be toppled.
Lets just hope the coup de grace comes as quickly as a vote for a war.
if they stay on much longer they will seriously threaten Labour chances of being elected.
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