The “too many cooks” theory (1 Viewer)

Deity · Oct 8, 2024

If it’s true that the players are finding it confusing with the number of coaches giving information then that is down to Robins.

The training ground, changing room, on field instructions is his area of control. He can simplify it if he chooses too.

I don’t think the issue is the number of coaches we have, by modern standards we are very normal, so it may be the way they are being managed IF and I IF it is actually an issue.

Robinshio · Oct 8, 2024

Robins is not the messiah. Just a very naughty boy. 7 years of success without top budgets cannot be sustained forever. We got very close and what might have been. The worry is we have now missed the top of the cycle

Deity · Oct 8, 2024

Matt smith said:
It’s the ‘modern approach’

agreed, performed at our best with a manager, an assistant and a first team coach

now look how it’s going

This is a huge red herring in my view ….

Sbarcher · Oct 8, 2024

I made a point of counting the coaches on the field for the Blackburn and SW warm ups last week.
Blackburn had 8 and SW 6.

Deity · Oct 8, 2024

Sbarcher said:
I made a point of counting the coaches on the field for the Blackburn and SW warm ups last week.
Blackburn had 8 and SW 6.

Spot on ….

Too many Cov fans with views based on 1990’s …

Winny the Bish · Oct 8, 2024

I don't buy into this theory at all. The coaches all work on different things. Boateng or Delaney aren't going to be saying things that contradict how we are meant to play.

Flying Fokker · Oct 8, 2024

Robinshio said:
Robins is not the messiah. Just a very naughty boy. 7 years of success without top budgets cannot be sustained forever. We got very close and what might have been. The worry is we have now missed the top of the cycle

very Fisheresque. “Top of the Cycle”.

Flying Fokker · Oct 8, 2024

It’s an excuse that players make when they don’t pull their weight.

napolimp · Oct 8, 2024

Are we just recycling threads now?

Too many COOKS spoil the broth

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Oct 8, 2024

This might be true, but whilst there are definitely other things going on, our biggest problem is that there are simply 'too many cucks' on the pitch.

All the coaching in the world can only take you so far, and the players application is lacking. It's on them for me above and beyond anything else.

skybluecam · Oct 8, 2024

napolimp said:
Are we just recycling threads now?

Too many COOKS spoil the broth

This thread is making the opposite point

napolimp · Oct 8, 2024

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
This might be true, but whilst there are definitely other things going on, our biggest problem is that there are simply 'too many cucks' on the pitch.

All the coaching in the world can only take you so far, and the players application is lacking. It's on them for me above and beyond anything else.

Why are they looking high energy and well drilled against Blackburn, let's say, and then lost, frustrated, and unorganised against Wednesday? The theory about players not being bothered has been thrown around, but changing their attitude from one week to another doesn't make any sense.

skybluecam · Oct 8, 2024

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
This might be true, but whilst there are definitely other things going on, our biggest problem is that there are simply 'too many cucks' on the pitch.

All the coaching in the world can only take you so far, and the players application is lacking. It's on them for me above and beyond anything else.

Second time I've seen someone call our players cucks. Maybe lay off the porn for a bit?

I do find it funny when people somehow believe a squad of 20+ all spontaneously down tools for no reason.

Sky Blue Goblin · Oct 8, 2024

Nothing wrong with the amount of coaches but will argue the lack of structure does hurt us.

Also would argue there not being used right. After all we’ve got the goalie coach apparently in charge of defence instead of the ex premiership defender.

Feel the best way to solve this would be for George or Mark to be appointed Assistant and allow the other three to be first team coaches.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Oct 8, 2024

skybluecam said:
Second time I've seen someone call our players cucks. Maybe lay off the porn for a bit?

I do find it funny when people somehow believe a squad of 20+ all spontaneously down tools for no reason.

It's a long-running joke on this forum. I'm surprised you aren't aware of it.

They're downing tools selectively, which was was highlighted by another poster further up. You can argue about tactics and coaches all you want, and I am sure they are having an impact, but look at the players. It's selective. Eccles for example, is still fighting and doing everything. If he can do it, why can't some of the others?

skybluecam · Oct 8, 2024

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It's a long-running joke on this forum. I'm surprised you aren't aware of it.

They're downing tools selectively, which was was highlighted by another poster further up. You can argue about tactics and coaches all you want, and I am sure they are having an impact, but look at the players. It's selective. Eccles for example, is still fighting and doing everything. If he can do it, why can't some of the others?

I think your view is being affected by your biases.

Eccles is probably getting the benefit of the doubt because he's homegrown and has been here for years vs the new signings.

I don't think deliberate lack of effort from anyone is the problem at all.

Winny the Bish · Oct 8, 2024

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Also would argue there not being used right. After all we’ve got the goalie coach apparently in charge of defence instead of the ex premiership defender.

This is just a rumour isn't it? Seen no confirmation of it anywhere.

SBAndy · Oct 8, 2024

Deity said:
If it’s true that the players are finding it confusing with the number of coaches giving information then that is down to Robins.

The training ground, changing room, on field instructions is his area of control. He can simplify it if he chooses too.

I don’t think the issue is the number of coaches we have, by modern standards we are very normal, so it may be the way they are being managed IF and I IF it is actually an issue.

If they’re getting mixed messages from the coaches then surely Robins as head coach gets the rest of the staff in a room and explains exactly what he wants to see.

I do think the change in coaching structure is having an impact but is being overblown, especially given it’s a controllable.

Wyken Sky Blue · Oct 8, 2024

Every manager is different. Some want to do everything, some want a shitload of coaches each focusing on different things

Increasing the number of coaches is more 'modern' and then the manager becomes a 'Head Coach', but you need the right manager/head coach for this to work (personality, way or working etc...)

Sadly I don't think this works with Mark Robins, so either he has to go or some of the coaches have to go

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Oct 8, 2024

skybluecam said:
I think your view is being affected by your biases.

Eccles is probably getting the benefit of the doubt because he's homegrown and has been here for years vs the new signings.

I don't think deliberate lack of effort from anyone is the problem at all.

Bias? It is pretty simple. The players are not giving 100% all of the time, and are not applying themselves to the cause. This issue is affecting certain players worse than others. Players like Eccles don't seemingly care how many coaches there are, or what milk the tea lady is using at half time. Other players seem to be allergic to getting stuck in and doing what it takes to get a result.

There might be an issue with the coaching set up, the tactics, the substitutions etc - these are all valid. They do not however, trump one of the most basic components of winning a football game - being prepared to die for three points and giving everything when you are on the pitch.

Just look at the body language and lack of application at key moments. If you think lack of application isn't a problem then I really can't help you.

clint van damme · Oct 8, 2024

Deity said:
Spot on ….

Too many Cov fans with views based on 1990’s …

You don't just foist a,new coaching set up on someone who's used to working in a different way.
It should have been more gradual, and certainly should not have had the assistant managers position removed from the set up.

I find that very bizarre given that a lot of these clubs who have moved to a more modern coaching structure still have an assistant manager yest all of a sudden we don't.

The watchmaker · Oct 8, 2024

napolimp said:
Why are they looking high energy and well drilled against Blackburn, let's say, and then lost, frustrated, and unorganised against Wednesday? The theory about players not being bothered has been thrown around, but changing their attitude from one week to another doesn't make any sense.

For me there are a few things here. Wednesday played better, their defenders seemed to have a better measure of BTA and they didn't gift us a second goal to kill off the game.

But I also think the energy in midfield dropped off a cliff. Not sure Sheaf is ready for the number of minutes he put in during the last week and Eccles looked like he was running in treacle at times (2nd goal?). Rudoni disappeared second half and Torp and Andrews had another afternoon on the bench. Why he didn't give Kai some minutes when we were 3 up against Blackburn is beyond me.

napolimp · Oct 8, 2024

The watchmaker said:
For me there are a few things here. Wednesday played better, their defenders seemed to have a better measure of BTA and they didn't gift us a second goal to kill off the game.

But I also think the energy in midfield dropped off a cliff. Not sure Sheaf is ready for the number of minutes he put in during the last week and Eccles looked like he was running in treacle at times (2nd goal?). Rudoni disappeared second half and Torp and Andrews had another afternoon on the bench. Why he didn't give Kai some minutes when we were 3 up against Blackburn is beyond me.

In which case, international break should do them some good, and would mean the issue (not to be repetitive) is in midfield.

Just a thought, but could an idea be to overload the midfield with 4 in the middle - Sheaf/Eccles/Torp/Rudoni - in a box or diamond? With maybe Wright and Simms/BTA up top? We would lose width, but could help in getting on top of the midfield battle. Plus our forwards love to drift wide anyway.

Skyblue Bangkok · Oct 8, 2024

napolimp said:
In which case, international break should do them some good, and would mean the issue (not to be repetitive) is in midfield.

Just a thought, but could an idea be to overload the midfield with 4 in the middle - Sheaf/Eccles/Torp/Rudoni - in a box or diamond? With maybe Wright and Simms/BTA up top? We would lose width, but could help in getting on top of the midfield battle. Plus our forwards love to drift wide anyway.

Bannon is about 90 and looked better than all our midfield players .

Domo · Oct 8, 2024

having a few coaches isnt the downfall of the team. itll improve it.
maybe some of you want just MR and adi forever, but football moves on, and we've got to adapt.
itll come good, wright will score 15+ and bassette will be set free on the pitch
injuries will stop, and we'll be firing on all cylinders soon
KTF

Mucca Mad Boys · Oct 8, 2024

Deity said:
Spot on ….

Too many Cov fans with views based on 1990’s …

Frankly, they’re amateurs with amateurish opinions. Management on FM24 or managing the Dog & Duck 2s is not real experience!

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Oct 8, 2024

Sbarcher said:
I made a point of counting the coaches on the field for the Blackburn and SW warm ups last week.
Blackburn had 8 and SW 6.

I've heard of trainspotting but coach spotting, now that takes it to a new level.

I bet you're a Whizz down the Pub.

duffer · Oct 8, 2024

Flying Fokker said:
very Fisheresque. “Top of the Cycle”.

Ah, I miss those fun filled days.

Alas, two turkeys do not an eagle make. That ship has sailed.

Cally Fedora · Oct 8, 2024

It takes time to get new ideas across. Having said that it makes the decision to allow holidays during the last international break look like the ludicrous decision it was.

Nuskyblue · Oct 8, 2024

skybluecam said:
I think your view is being affected by your biases.

Eccles is probably getting the benefit of the doubt because he's homegrown and has been here for years vs the new signings.

I don't think deliberate lack of effort from anyone is the problem at all.

I think Eccles has been out most consistent performer this season, and he puts a shift in.

Sbarcher · Oct 8, 2024

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
I've heard of trainspotting but coach spotting, now that takes it to a new level.

I bet you're a Whizz down the Pub.

Got fed up with people criticising our more “professional “ approach so thought I’d check what other teams are doing.
Oh, and often have a whizz down the pub.

Covcraig@bury · Oct 8, 2024

Let’s face it , the players will play how they think it’s best , the manager can bark as much as he likes . It is as it is . It’s the player that will and should adjust. If they can’t work it out then they’re in the wrong job .

The watchmaker · Oct 8, 2024

Nuskyblue said:
I think Eccles has been out most consistent performer this season, and he puts a shift in.

If we were having a player of the season thus far award Eccles probably wins it for me... and it's possibly not even close. I'd be interested to hear any counter argument.

clint van damme · Oct 9, 2024

The watchmaker said:
If we were having a player of the season thus far award Eccles probably wins it for me... and it's possibly not even close. I'd be interested to hear any counter argument.

The only counter argument you'll hear is 'he gets a pass because he's homegrown' which is bollocks.
A glance at the shit he gets on social media will tell you that.

Think it would be between him and MVE who hasn't been above criticism himself but theyve both been far better than their team mates.

wingy · Oct 9, 2024

Well all I can say is, they leave me under cooked,and the team come to that!

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