Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Oh I don't think it will happen.
I'm just saying it is feasible, and highlighting that many people who say it isn't just simply don't want us to play there.
Is this a wind up ?
Tim Fisher is certainly winding people up. I didn't think anyone actually believed him.
Or, as we're playing guessing games - CCFC & CRFC get on well together and support each other, making money and attracting loads of true blue Cov supporters who go to follow both clubs. Meanwhile, Wasps continue to get deeper into the financial too-doos with no income from football to prop up their rugby losses. They fall behind and have to leave the Ricoh. The council then beg Ccfc to take it over and this leaves CRFC with a spanking good stadium to carry on with. The good guys win in the end and they all live happily ever after.Could also be do something and die. This is my worry. It get's built at huge investment and then doesn't produce enough revenue to support the debt, CRFC or CCFC. All three go to the wall and Wasps have Coventry to themselves. This development if it happens could yet prove to stand as a gift to Wasps at the expense of CRFC and CCFC.
.... because they will be better off with CCFC settled.A fantasy as much as Fisher's new stadium. Why would Wasps give us more income when they need every single penny themselves?
Oh I don't think it will happen.
I'm just saying it is feasible, and highlighting that many people who say it isn't just simply don't want us to play there.
It has to be said that SISU could get planning permission but I suggest CCC would make it difficult.*suggest* and *could* is quite different to *has*
This is the wildcard which means it's too soon (IMO) to rule out a development at the Butts. But if the club were serious about this, and wanted people to support it, I don't understand why they wouldn't come out with illustrative plans. As has been said, an outline application can be put in at any time. I'd love to see a 25,000 seater city centre stadium, but it's always smoke and mirrors with Fisher so no wonder nobody trusts him an inch. And such a development, especially if it involves re-routing roads etc., basically means the club going to the Council for help with a new stadium for a second time, against an acrimonious backdrop.Mr Sharp revealed in December there was potential for development on a larger area of land than the current Butts stadium footprint
Yeah. We would believe them if they would show us a picture.This is the wildcard which means it's too soon (IMO) to rule out a development at the Butts. But if the club were serious about this, and wanted people to support it, I don't understand why they wouldn't come out with illustrative plans. As has been said, an outline application can be put in at any time. I'd love to see a 25,000 seater city centre stadium, but it's always smoke and mirrors with Fisher so no wonder nobody trusts him an inch. And such a development, especially if it involves re-routing roads etc., basically means the club going to the Council for help with a new stadium for a second time, against an acrimonious backdrop.
Wasps have way too much debt loaded on the arena. Eventually this will catch up on them and they will default and be in serious trouble.
They won't go under because of the Ricoh. They would just lose it and could move back south where they belong. It is spending money on players that they don't have that would put them in trouble unless Richardson puts the 10m back into the club he took out after the bonds issue. And then how long would it last if they had to move again?Wasps debt will eventually catch them out in the end. I predict in 5 years that Wasps will go under.
You can carry on re bonding but a debts a debt eventually it will require paying. It's way to much for a rugby club never mind a football club.
I was told the rugby communitys sitting back waiting for it all to unfold.
Like I said pages ago, the fact the site has had permission for a stadium in the past is enough to suggest it could get such again (up to around 10K or so). It would need a new planning application of course but the fact that a previous one had been approved would support a new one. You do try too hard.
They won't go under because of the Ricoh. They would just lose it and could move back south where they belong. It is spending money on players that they don't have that would put them in trouble unless Richardson puts the 10m back into the club he took out after the bonds issue. And then how long would it last if they had to move again?
Oh I don't think it will happen.
I'm just saying it is feasible, and highlighting that many people who say it isn't just simply don't want us to play there.
It's the issue for me too. Sure it might be several years down the line before it's an issue, but if Wasps become entrenched here and we find the Butts is no longer big enough for us and is not expandable and further, then what?A 12000 stadium may be possible but realistically that's it.
That's a big issue for me looking forward as it will not be suitable should we get in and beyond the Championship.
Also I noticed on the link you put up ir specifically says Rugby Stadium. Is this a reflection on the conditions that apply to the site?
There is a decent chance that Wasps will have failed by then.A 12000 stadium may be possible but realistically that's it.
That's a big issue for me looking forward as it will not be suitable should we get in and beyond the Championship.
There is a decent chance that Wasps will have failed by then.
Agreed. Seems almost pointless going on about the requirements of championship football when we're going to be playing in league two.There's a decent chance we'll all be dead by then, and the world will be ruled by apes!
So doesn't sound like the "active not passive support from Coventry City Council" Fisher spoke about. Why can't the football club get the same level of assistance Wasps do with any plans. When it was them building at Higgs there were emails from the council talking about how they could ensure the application passed.the council will consider any planning application and/or requests relating to the council as landowner in respect of the football club in accordance with our statutory duties.”
I don't imagine they will go out of their way but they have to follow process or they'll be in court.It has to be said that SISU could get planning permission but I suggest CCC would make it difficult.
Wasps debt will eventually catch them out in the end. I predict in 5 years that Wasps will go under.
You can carry on re bonding but a debts a debt eventually it will require paying. It's way to much for a rugby club never mind a football club.
I was told the rugby communitys sitting back waiting for it all to unfold.
Wasps debt will eventually catch them out in the end. I predict in 5 years that Wasps will go under.
You can carry on re bonding but a debts a debt eventually it will require paying. It's way to much for a rugby club never mind a football club.
I was told the rugby communitys sitting back waiting for it all to unfold.
All normal process.Quote from the council in the CT today
So doesn't sound like the "active not passive support from Coventry City Council" Fisher spoke about. Why can't the football club get the same level of assistance Wasps do with any plans. When it was them building at Higgs there were emails from the council talking about how they could ensure the application passed.
See how everybody’s expectations are being lowered by the PR.It's the issue for me too. Sure it might be several years down the line before it's an issue, but if Wasps become entrenched here and we find the Butts is no longer big enough for us and is not expandable and further, then what?
As has been said lots of times, if we got to the Championship we could be attracting much bigger crowds. You also of course have to factor in that if we did get to the Championship we would then be a club with a bit of success behind us, having to have achieved promotion from League One and Two.
As it stands now in the Championship, if we were there we would be getting much more than 15,000 for Newcastle, Sheff Weds, Wolves, Birmingham, Leeds and Villa. Some of those would achieve 20,000+.
Let's face it, if we WERE in the Championship in a 12,000 seater stadium and doing quite well, we would all be saying the stadium isn't big enough.
The Butts is absolutely fine as a short term fix, but we also need to think long term too.
12,000 if you think about it would be perfect right now. If it were to be short term it would serve us well in League Two and League One and then when we left it behind, 12,000 would be absolutely perfect for Cov to be left with.
See how everybody’s expectations are being lowered by the PR.
And all of the city's new found egg shaped converts need a team to support following Wasps disappearance, what better than a club 10 min walk from the station with local team playing in a 12k stadium?Or, as we're playing guessing games - CCFC & CRFC get on well together and support each other, making money and attracting loads of true blue Cov supporters who go to follow both clubs. Meanwhile, Wasps continue to get deeper into the financial too-doos with no income from football to prop up their rugby losses. They fall behind and have to leave the Ricoh. The council then beg Ccfc to take it over and this leaves CRFC with a spanking good stadium to carry on with. The good guys win in the end and they all live happily ever after.
Quote from the council in the CT today
So doesn't sound like the "active not passive support from Coventry City Council" Fisher spoke about. Why can't the football club get the same level of assistance Wasps do with any plans. When it was them building at Higgs there were emails from the council talking about how they could ensure the application passed.
Yeah, not having forward thinking has served the city of Coventry well over the years hasn't it.Agreed. Seems almost pointless going on about the requirements of championship football when we're going to be playing in league two.
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Can't see CCC ever selling the freehold - it cost them next to nothing and will always generate some income for themWasps administration?
However much we would all like it to happen, what is the likelihood?
Lets say it did and the Ricoh became available to the highest bidder how much would it go for 5,10,15, 20 million?
Can anyone actually see Sisu stumping up the cash for it, when at every opportunity in the past they have failed to even make an offer ?
Quote from the council in the CT today
So doesn't sound like the "active not passive support from Coventry City Council" Fisher spoke about. Why can't the football club get the same level of assistance Wasps do with any plans. When it was them building at Higgs there were emails from the council talking about how they could ensure the application passed.
Wasps administration?
However much we would all like it to happen, what is the likelihood?
Lets say it did and the Ricoh became available to the highest bidder how much would it go for 5,10,15, 20 million?
Can anyone actually see Sisu stumping up the cash for it, when at every opportunity in the past they have failed to even make an offer ?
Really? How much was owed to the council at the point Wasps took over compared to how much Wasps owe on the bond issue?Wasps cleared that
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