one thing not really picked up on at meeting was Fisher said he has the investment in place for this project would love to know more about that
There was investment in place for the new stadium aswell. You may recall, Joy had the people with cash ready to go and she was excited about the project.
Not to sure what happened with that really.
Anyway let's forget that we have been promised this all before we will be at the Butts!!!
you forgot the r in pickSandra Garlick would be my pick to lead the group
suggest we ask the owners of the Butts if they are interested in this grande schemeSo the deal at the Butts will be better?
Can't see how we get CRFC to finance it, then we rent it and .............. we get 365 day incomes.
People need to now ask the right questions.
This is the big fear. Grand initial plan, very tight space and massive opposition.I would love the butts to happen but just isn't big enough even for 12,000 - insufficient road network to cope with 12,000 leaving a football stadium at the same time, would be significant pedestrian congestion as everyone spills onto the dual carriageway on Butts Lane. Remember Swan Lane after a game would be all fans walking blocking the road and there were multiple other routes available. Its SISU polka time agin
The Butts would be perfect ............ if that retirement village wasn't there.
He has the investment but CRFC would own the stadium and CCFC would rent it.one thing not really picked up on at meeting was Fisher said he has the investment in place for this project would love to know more about that
Liberty Stadium and New Den both just over 20K. If they were serious it wouldn't be impossible I don't think.
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Complete dreamland thinking. By the time there is agreement we will be a conference club and the current set up at the Butts will be fineHere's a scenario if the Butts redevelopment happened. I can't see anything happening this year. Loads of planning permission hoops etc to get through.
Say they start next year in 2018 and it takes 2 years complete.
We could be back in the Championship from our L2 bounce (doubt it will happen but in theory).
The new stadium is built based on 10k supporters. By the time it's built and ready we are in the championship. The crowds will go up back to 14-15k.
It doesn't make sense. We would really need to understand what the initial capacity of the Butts would be. At the moment Fisher is saying anything between 7k to 25k.
I agree.I just think arguing about the exact capacity, the engineering of it, parking, planning, the old boys flats etc is jumping the gun. Don't give Fisher excuses, just tell him its a fantastic idea and get on with it.
I'm not an architect, so I'll wait for the architect's plans.It's not possible though.
It's not possible though.
No way the residents there will stand for anything approaching anywhere even close to the capacity we would need to function above League Two.
If Fisher is saying anything between 7,000 and 25,000, I think you very much need to be focusing on the 7,000 end of the scale.
Of course they do.All the other parties, including the fans, need to say "go on then prove it show us".
Is that true? Really? Honest question.Residents wouldn't have s choice. Power of objection these days is zero
Agreed. City centre location helps in identity too.his goes beyond the financials - and for me is more about club identity and having somewhere to lay our hat and call home (and feel like home).
I don't see how it can work, but as far as Im concerned Im with chiefdave: if that's the plan let's get on with it.
Didn't listen tonight, is it a joint operation or out of one rental deal playing second fiddle to a rugby club and into another?
Would also question how the pitch would hold up with less investment and more teams playing on it.
If all those issues can be solved though Im right behind it.
I think with other owners we would be a lot more accommodating in our belief, but this is Sisu and if they were to somehow secure funding and investors I would be a bit concerned as to where the money was coming from.Putting aside all the politics, on a technical level, 25,000 is possible. I was speaking to an architect who is also a city fan, and he said it is feasible, but it would require a walkway adjacent to the railway line to create another access point to Albany Road. The Butts already has planning permission up to 11 or 12K, based on quite modest proposals. Traffic congestion is also a red herring because the vast majority would park in the city centre and therefore access would be dispersed around the ring road. There are plenty of centrally located grounds that can be used as an example. St James Park has only 200 on-site parking spaces.
I don't believe it will happen for lots of reasons. However, lets say a viable, coherent plan is put forward. We would have to decide whether we would back it. Personally, I would, not in support of SISU, but because of the long-term viability of the football club. This goes beyond the financials - and for me is more about club identity and having somewhere to lay our hat and call home (and feel like home). A long term future as Ricoh squatters is a bleak prospect for me. A viable stadium plan that is backed by the fans might also prick the ears of potential investors who might see the Ricoh situation as a massive roadblock. Wishful thinking? Perhaps.
It won't happen, but that will be down to politics and SISUs inability to get anything right more than the technical feasibility imo.
It's not possible though.
No way the residents there will stand for anything approaching anywhere even close to the capacity we would need to function above League Two.
If Fisher is saying anything between 7,000 and 25,000, I think you very much need to be focusing on the 7,000 end of the scale.
I am sure we can all go round in circles about this again but two things need to happen
- Jon Sharpe & Tim Fisher need to detail and show us the plan, confirm the funding, show viability etc. All the other parties, including the fans, need to say "go on then prove it show us". They have been working on this for two and a half years according to Fisher they must have some detail by now
- There has to be some sort of partnership formed with CCC by CRFC&CCFC in order to deal with the infra structure problems of the project both in building and operation. No evidence of that only demands for active support. So how will they do that - mediation? what is to mediate if no plan put forward?
After that we can have a proper discussion of the merits of a move to BPA
And again, as has been said, we still wouldn't own our own stadium.
When they bought their properties the search would show the Butts Arena has not just a lease but a Building Agreement attached to it - so it was always intended to be expanded
Won't we need a 45000 capacity minimum now with the new found support?
I am sure we can all go round in circles about this again but two things need to happen
- Jon Sharpe & Tim Fisher need to detail and show us the plan, confirm the funding, show viability etc. All the other parties, including the fans, need to say "go on then prove it show us". They have been working on this for two and a half years according to Fisher they must have some detail by now
- There has to be some sort of partnership formed with CCC by CRFC&CCFC in order to deal with the infra structure problems of the project both in building and operation. No evidence of that only demands for active support. So how will they do that - mediation? what is to mediate if no plan put forward?
After that we can have a proper discussion of the merits of a move to BPA
Putting aside all the politics, on a technical level, 25,000 is possible. I was speaking to an architect who is also a city fan, and he said it is feasible, but it would require a walkway adjacent to the railway line to create another access point to Albany Road. The Butts already has planning permission up to 11 or 12K, based on quite modest proposals. Traffic congestion is also a red herring because the vast majority would park in the city centre and therefore access would be dispersed around the ring road. There are plenty of centrally located grounds that can be used as an example. St James Park has only 200 on-site parking spaces.
I don't believe it will happen for lots of reasons. However, lets say a viable, coherent plan is put forward. We would have to decide whether we would back it. Personally, I would, not in support of SISU, but because of the long-term viability of the football club. This goes beyond the financials - and for me is more about club identity and having somewhere to lay our hat and call home (and feel like home). A long term future as Ricoh squatters is a bleak prospect for me. A viable stadium plan that is backed by the fans might also prick the ears of potential investors who might see the Ricoh situation as a massive roadblock. Wishful thinking? Perhaps.
It won't happen, but that will be down to politics and SISUs inability to get anything right more than the technical feasibility imo.
Is that true? Really? Honest question.
I'm not an architect, so I'll wait for the architect's plans.
I agree.
If it did turn out to be possible, and if they did do it, it'd be fantastic.
So let's get behind the idea and push them with unstoppable mmentum to show it is possible.
And then having shown it is possible, with the will of the people behind the idea, it'll happen.
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