The case for Yasin Ayari (1 Viewer)

shmmeee · Nov 9, 2023

Recently put this guy just above Collins at second from bottom in a ranking of our signings on Twitter. Most I saw also put him bottom or close to it.

Suggesting playing him on here gets cries or derision.

But are we being too harsh? His job as an AM is arguably to score and create goals. Well…

Third highest key passes in the division for an U21.

Highest xG per 90 of our AMs bar O’Hare. Double that of Palmer next down.

More shots per 90 than any AM bar Cal (we won’t talk about the accuracy of said shots in this particular thread )

And of course more goals per 90 than any AM, and more scored unconsciously with his cock than the rest of the squad combined.

Yes he’s weak, yes he’s raw, yes he ambles about like he can’t be arsed.

But is he actually quite effective?

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 9, 2023

How do these compare to Palmer last season?

SkyblueDad · Nov 9, 2023

How do you get Collins to be second bottom ? he’s hardly played, one cup-tie I think.

Briles · Nov 9, 2023

shmmeee said:
Recently put this guy just above Collins at second from bottom in a ranking of our signings on Twitter. Most I saw also put him bottom or close to it.

Suggesting playing him on here gets cries or derision.

But are we being too harsh? His job as an AM is arguably to score and create goals. Well…

Third highest key passes in the division for an U21.

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Highest xG per 90 of our AMs bar O’Hare. Double that of Palmer next down.

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More shots per 90 than any AM bar Cal (we won’t talk about the accuracy of said shots in this particular thread )

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And of course more goals per 90 than any AM, and more scored unconsciously with his cock than the rest of the squad combined.

Yes he’s weak, yes he’s raw, yes he ambles about like he can’t be arsed.

But is he actually quite effective?

He is effective, he almost seems ahead of the rest of play at this level which makes him look poor when it's actually others who aren't seeing what he is

shmmeee · Nov 9, 2023

slowpoke said:
How do you get Collins to be second bottom ? he’s hardly played, one cup-tie I think.

And that’s why he’s not a very good signing. We sign players to play them in the first team

MalcSB · Nov 9, 2023

They are missing the xKOTBTE stat (Knocked off the ball too easily).

shmmeee · Nov 9, 2023

Brighton Sky Blue said:
How do these compare to Palmer last season?

Edit: fucking file insert functionality

MalcSB · Nov 9, 2023

shmmeee said:
Recently put this guy just above Collins at second from bottom in a ranking of our signings on Twitter. Most I saw also put him bottom or close to it.

Suggesting playing him on here gets cries or derision.

But are we being too harsh? His job as an AM is arguably to score and create goals. Well…

Third highest key passes in the division for an U21.

View attachment 32370

Highest xG per 90 of our AMs bar O’Hare. Double that of Palmer next down.

View attachment 32371

More shots per 90 than any AM bar Cal (we won’t talk about the accuracy of said shots in this particular thread )

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And of course more goals per 90 than any AM, and more scored unconsciously with his cock than the rest of the squad combined.

Yes he’s weak, yes he’s raw, yes he ambles about like he can’t be arsed.

But is he actually quite effective?

There are lies, damned lies and statistics. In this case, the statistics will have been heavily skewed by the unconscious cock goal and it would be interesting to see what they would look like if that could be excluded.

San Francisco · Nov 9, 2023

Though he’s not performed well for us so far there’s clearly a player there albeit very raw and needing of guidance and good training.

A team like Brighton with their scouting network don’t flog €4 million for no reason.

MalcSB · Nov 9, 2023

shmmeee said:
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So better then Hamer then, what a load of bollocks,

shmmeee · Nov 9, 2023

MalcSB said:
They are missing the xKOTBTE stat (Knocked off the ball too easily).

Not quite the same but his progressive carries are really poor and that’s probably why

shmmeee · Nov 9, 2023

MalcSB said:
So better then Hamer then, what a load of bollocks,

Comparable to Hamer in a lot of respects. Hamers chance creation that’s the little he played this season were a joke, double that of anyone else.

Hamer could carry the ball, and could shoot on target, and also had a much better striker on the end of his balls. (Ooo err). He also ran his heart out and enjoyed the physical side of the game. Which is a huge difference.

Much like Vik though, replacing Hamer will probably be two players.

MalcSB · Nov 9, 2023

shmmeee said:
Not quite the same but his progressive carries are really poor and that’s probably why

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You original post said

”But are we being too harsh? His job as an AM is arguably to score and create goals.”

He has scored one goal as you correctly described unconsciously and off his cock, and contributed 0 assists. Does that really fulfil his job description?

SkyblueDad · Nov 9, 2023

shmmeee said:
And that’s why he’s not a very good signing. We sign players to play them in the first team

Bit of a stupid answer. He was never going to start and until recently Wilson’s been okay.

wingy · Nov 9, 2023

But you can only play one of the , unless you bin off

SkyblueDad · Nov 9, 2023

wingy said:
But you can only play one of the , unless you bin off

And you can’t do that until January.

shmmeee · Nov 9, 2023

MalcSB said:
You original post said

”But are we being too harsh? His job as an AM is arguably to score and create goals.”

He has scored one goal as you correctly described unconsciously and off his cock, and contributed 0 assists. Does that really fulfil his job description?

Well there’s two halves to an assist isn’t there? There’s a reason we’re about 7th in xG yet about 15th in goals scored.

Clearly there’s some tongue in cheek here you’re not vibing with, but I’m saying for one element of his game that’s arguably quite important he’s clearly got something. He may have only scored one off his cock in 5 game equivalents, but it’s one more than any of our other AMs!

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2023

My main thought would be Doyle looked erratic and a bit lost up until Christmas last season, then turned immense.

I know it's different players, different skill levels etc, and different positions of course(!) but the hope is he does get up to speed and then bosses it all.

We shall see, I guess!

shmmeee said:
And that’s why he’s not a very good signing. We sign players to play them in the first team

tbf, Wilson deserved to start the season. With Moore having seemingly forgotten how to do what he's paid to do, we needed somebody who could push Wilson.

Proof will be in the pudding of course, but given the position, it's not unreasonable that he hasn't played much yet,

MalcSB · Nov 9, 2023

shmmeee said:
Well there’s two halves to an assist isn’t there? There’s a reason we’re about 7th in xG yet about 15th in goals scored.

Clearly there’s some tongue in cheek here you’re not vibing with, but I’m saying for one element of his game that’s arguably quite important he’s clearly got something. He may have only scored one off his cock in 5 game equivalents, but it’s one more than any of our other AMs!

I haven’t picked up on the tongue in cheek vibe, must have been lost in all the statistics which I don’t understand and shows stuff like Sean Maguire was more of a goal threat than Hamer last season.

I will leave it at I don’t think we are being harsh on Ayari. If others are correct and he merely has a lot to learn, I would rather he learnt it elsewhere and we give our own youngsters an opportunity.

MalcSB · Nov 9, 2023

shmmeee said:
Well there’s two halves to an assist isn’t there? There’s a reason we’re about 7th in xG yet about 15th in goals scored.

Clearly there’s some tongue in cheek here you’re not vibing with, but I’m saying for one element of his game that’s arguably quite important he’s clearly got something. He may have only scored one off his cock in 5 game equivalents, but it’s one more than any of our other AMs!

Are you suggesting our other AMs are cockless?

SlowerThanPlatt · Nov 9, 2023

Briles said:
He is effective, he almost seems ahead of the rest of play at this level which makes him look poor when it's actually others who aren't seeing what he is

How do some Championship players (or any league, actually) get moves to a higher level then if they’re dragged down by *supposedly* lower quality?

Briles · Nov 9, 2023

SlowerThanPlatt said:
How do some Championship players (or any league, actually) get moves to a higher level then if they’re dragged down by *supposedly* lower quality?

Because scouts spot it I spose. You watch next game he plays. He wants to play a pass and nobody is on.

fernandopartridge · Nov 9, 2023

shmmeee said:
Recently put this guy just above Collins at second from bottom in a ranking of our signings on Twitter. Most I saw also put him bottom or close to it.

Suggesting playing him on here gets cries or derision.

But are we being too harsh? His job as an AM is arguably to score and create goals. Well…

Third highest key passes in the division for an U21.

View attachment 32370

Highest xG per 90 of our AMs bar O’Hare. Double that of Palmer next down.

View attachment 32371

More shots per 90 than any AM bar Cal (we won’t talk about the accuracy of said shots in this particular thread
)

View attachment 32372

And of course more goals per 90 than any AM, and more scored unconsciously with his cock than the rest of the squad combined.

Yes he’s weak, yes he’s raw, yes he ambles about like he can’t be arsed.

But is he actually quite effective?

He's always been fine on the ball it's off it which is the problem

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MalcSB · Nov 9, 2023

SlowerThanPlatt said:
How do some Championship players (or any league, actually) get moves to a higher level then if they’re dragged down by *supposedly* lower quality?

Because scouts believe the statistics rather than their own eyes.

Cally Fedora · Nov 9, 2023

Ayari is the kind of guy that would be great if you were allowed 11 players + him and he could add his rare flashes of ability. But he is a luxury player and doesn’t contribute enough overall.

Frostie · Nov 9, 2023

I said before the Preston game that he is the one player we have who can pick a key pass & create chances. The problem at the minute is he has lots of deficiencies too. MR doesn't trust him defensively to be played in his preferred deeper midfield position where he could do a bit of the Hamer type stuff & he's a bit lightweight physically.

I'm certain he'll go on to be an excellent player, probably at the top level, but he's got a bit to do.

MalcSB · Nov 9, 2023

Frostie said:
I said before the Preston game that he is the one player we have who can pick a key pass & create chances. The problem at the minute is he has lots of deficiencies too. MR doesn't trust him defensively to be played in his preferred deeper midfield position where he could do a bit of the Hamer type stuff & he's a bit lightweight physically.

I'm certain he'll go on to be an excellent player, probably at the top level, but he's got a bit to do.

Lots of “bits” in there. he is very lightweight and will have lots to do to become an excellent player. Let h8m do it on someone else’s time and expense.

shmmeee · Nov 9, 2023

MalcSB said:
Are you suggesting our other AMs are cockless?

The stats speak for themselves!

shmmeee · Nov 9, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
He's always been fine on the ball it's off it which is the problem

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At some point you have to accept not every player is a Gus or a Cal that’s going to work both ends of the pitch. If you’ve got a half decent defence you shouldn’t need your creative players to be the reincarnation of Viera off the ball.

pusbccfc · Nov 9, 2023

Haji topping all those charts. He's going to score 20 goals this season.

PVA · Nov 9, 2023

When he came on against Sunderland and played that lovely reverse pass for Wright I thought he was going to be a class player for us.

Clearly has heaps of ability but just seems to be struggling with the physicality of the game at the moment.

I think his natural position is probably as an 8, but don't think we'll see much of them there because of the aforementioned lack of physicality.

Johhny Blue · Nov 9, 2023

MalcSB said:
There are lies, damned lies and statistics. In this case, the statistics will have been heavily skewed by the unconscious cock goal and it would be interesting to see what they would look like if that could be excluded.

It cancels out the terrific shot that hit the bar for Simms to score

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Nov 9, 2023

I can see the argument being made and where it is coming from. However, this is the problem with stats. They never paint the full picture. Someone posted the other day hammering home that Sheaf was our best player because he made the most accurate passes. What does that mean? He spends all game passing between himself and the back 5 under almost no pressure.

These stats here are a bit more favoured towards progressive passing, which is of course is something we need. Though, what good is that if like someone above said, he's like a school boy off the ball? Isn't it counter-productive?

In general our whole midfield needs an upgrade, but I'm not sure I can see that this guy is the answer. I would give this 4-3-3 a go for now. Perhaps bring him on a bit later in games and see how he gets on. Based on what I've seen however, I would be hesitant to give him a jersey in the starting eleven until there's some improvement.

MalcSB · Nov 9, 2023

shmmeee said:
The stats speak for themselves!

Need to get Kelly into the area more often then. Cock Goal scoring problem solved.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Nov 9, 2023

You can see why MR might have considered him an option to replace the creative side of Hamer's game. Trouble is he's nowehere near it for the defensive and tactical side of it, and really you need to do that first to earn the right to do the creative stuff.

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