The Chinaman Has Not Disappeared (1 Viewer)

[theprince]

From a credible source and that's all I know really. Still interested and the man installed by Hoffman's group to see a deal through is still beavering away. Was also told SISU have nothing to stay for only the fact they are owners. No money coming in and plenty going out. No chance of getting their hands on any part of the Ricoh and clearing that rent slush fund account is their only option.

In Hoffman I trust

 

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[Sir Digby Chicken Caesar]

Is this the Chinaman that lives with Father Christmas & the Tooth Fairy?

 

[@richh87]

People are very angry at Hoffman for not having done a deal yet - but he's the only person out there trying.

Personally he's the only hope we have. We've sunk so low under SISU and it'll only get worse.

Hit them where it hurts guys - in the pocket. Get them out.

 

[dongonzalos]

To be honest I fully believe in that, as Hoffman said he will come out and speak if he gets a catergoric yes or a catergoric no.

However where we are on that scale is anybodys guess

 

[Bennets Afro]

It's hard to make SISU sell if Hoffman is not offering what SISU are asking for

 

[oldskyblue58]

so we know the name of the guy who is interested (apparently) ....... what exactly would stop SISU going direct to him in that case and cutting out any middleman. It would suit both parties wouldnt it .... it isnt as if the chinese company has any difficulty operating in the english speaking world.....

in hoffman we zzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[theprince]

My brief conversation with my source and this fella is well in the loop, just said when there is something to say it will be said and that is exactly as it stands. Not a done deal, not a certain deal but what is happening at the moment is exactly what was described in that Telegraph article a couple of months ago. For me no news is good news.

In Hoffman I Trust

 

[theprince]

so we know the name of the guy who is interested (apparently) ....... what exactly would stop SISU going direct to him in that case and cutting out any middleman. It would suit both parties wouldnt it .... it isnt as if the chinese company has any difficulty operating in the english speaking world.....

in hoffman we zzzzzzzzzzzz

My belief is that was attempted to no avail.

 

[Grendel]

I agree with Eleanor (sorry prince) the chinaman hasn't disappeared some of spin bowlers still have it in their repertoire though it is a dying art.

 

[oldskyblue58]

so given that GH has no current facts or figures what exactly is his role? SISU have to be talked to, why talk to someone who knows nothing remotely current yet not talk to the people who actually own what they are "interested in"?

 

[ccfcway]

[video=youtube;mFWI8Uy24tI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFWI8Uy24tI[/video]

 

[canleykid]

If you want something you buy it,the Chinese wouldn't need Hoffman to talk to sisu,I think its Mind games,cos like most people who want to get into football they announce themselves on sky in papers,I think Hoffman had a Chinese in the wing wag spoke to a waiter and created this story cos eight months later and still no sign of anyone hmmmmm

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

If you want something you buy it,the Chinese wouldn't need Hoffman to talk to sisu,I think its Mind games,cos like most people who want to get into football they announce themselves on sky in papers,I think Hoffman had a Chinese in the wing wag spoke to a waiter and created this story cos eight months later and still no sign of anyone hmmmmm

How do you think this alleged individual, or anyone from the other side of the world would even know CCFC existed, were it not for an introduction via someone such as Hoffman?

 

[sky blue john]

I dont believe or dis-believe but obviously discussions have happened in the past and Sisu have been unrealistic in their expectations of value. Just look at the derisory offer they made the Higgs charity. so from a business point of view i wouldn't be showing my hand and would wait for sisu to slit their own throats and then pick the club up for a realistic price.
There is no point people on here screaming where are you hoffman because your just being muppets and not in touch with the business world.

 

[dongonzalos]

so we know the name of the guy who is interested (apparently) ....... what exactly would stop SISU going direct to him in that case and cutting out any middleman. It would suit both parties wouldnt it .... it isnt as if the chinese company has any difficulty operating in the english speaking world.....

in hoffman we zzzzzzzzzzzz

The only thing I would hope is it is like a bloke has going bankrupt and he want 150k for his house.

You have heard the rumours he is going bankrupt do you deal with him and pay the 150k or do you wait till you wither get it a lot cheaper or it is repossessed.

I not getting into the whole liquidation debate again.

However, do you think it is likely he would get the deal now for a cheaper price or if he waits would he get a cheaper price

 

[Grendel]

If you value the business and are very wealthy you buy it before administration because then you have total control and can dictate terms. If what you say is true and bearing in mind what we know about Sisu why did they only want to purchase if the club did not enter administration?

 

[sky blue john]

We all know now what Sisus tactics and bargaining techniques are like. want something for nothing merchants. They will hold out until the death.

 

[torchomatic]

Sorry, but I don't believe in the Prince anymore than I believe in others who come on here with apparent "inside" info.

 

[torchomatic]

FFS, CCFCWay! At least have the decency to post a link to the Average White Band!!

[video=youtube;nl-xP0yHMr8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl-xP0yHMr8[/video]

 

[oldskyblue58]

don.................

except that ccfc have provided evidence to FL and auditors to file accounts that the club is a going concern .......... so that says there is a plan to keep going until next june

BUT my point is that anyone interested is going to need relevant and up to date information to go from casual interest to serious interest let alone a bid ............ that means talking with SISU who are the ones with the info but in addition ACL Charity & Council ........... at least 3 of those are credible when they have said there is no contact......... like it or not GH does not have the info required

 

[Covstu]

I am getting sick of these 'my reliable source' stories! We have one every week a fook all happens. We are stuck with em for another year get used to it people

 

[sky blue john]

If you value the business and are very wealthy you buy it before administration because then you have total control and can dictate terms. If what you say is true and bearing in mind what we know about Sisu why did they only want to
purchase if the club did not enter administration?

this is what has always stumped me but they bought the debt and are probably claiming fees and interest against it. Also there has to be tax benifits. Maybe jimmy carr is one of our investors and its the loophole for the 1% tax club.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

At least the discussions are moving at a fast pace, the initial discussions started 11 months ago and look how much we have progressed since then.

 

[dongonzalos]

I think hoff's previous position means he has enough info. To try and get a yes or no from the Chinese as to whether they are interested, before then asking for further info from the people you have mentioned.

I am happy that hoff will tell us if it is a total no. However for what it is worth I think on the scale it will more likely be a no than a yes.

I think the Chinese are rightly taking their time to have a good long hard think.

I think the longer it drags on the better the terms are for them

Do you think dealing with sisu 6 weeks ago when they were confident of getting half the stadium would have been harder or easier than now.

I think sisu will still be hard to deal with as they still think they are in with a shout. However imagine in 6 months if it becomes a fact that it is never going to be feasible for them to get half the stadium.

That would make a massive shift in power at the negiotating table.

I can see lots of advantages for the Chinese in sitting back and waiting. I cant see many positives for diving in now.

 

[dongonzalos]

If you value the business and are very wealthy you buy it before administration because then you have total control and can dictate terms. If what you say is true and bearing in mind what we know about Sisu why did they only want to purchase if the club did not enter administration?

Administartion was not really the debate I was trying to get into.

I made a mistake taliking about reposession. What I mean is SISU are losing a lot of money, the longer it drags on the better it is for the buyer as the seller becomes more desperate.

At the moment SISU think they have a shout at half the stadium so probably would still be a pain to try and do business with.

Regarding the other point I think SISU bought before administration as they had a very poor business plan. They believed they could stil get into the play offs and thought the points deduction could destroy this and lead to relegation.

That IMO was the main driving factor plus the competition that would have come out the woodwork once the club was placed in administration.

Personally I wish SISU had not done their pre-emptive strike.

 

[LeamingtonBootBoy]

I agree with Eleanor (sorry prince) the chinaman hasn't disappeared some of spin bowlers still have it in their repertoire though it is a dying art.

SISU bowl googlies only, so a chinaman would be a useful variety.

 

[sw88]

Was there ever really a chinaman interested? I don't believe there was.....

 

[TheBoss]

People are very angry at Hoffman for not having done a deal yet - but he's the only person out there trying.

Personally he's the only hope we have. We've sunk so low under SISU and it'll only get worse.

Hit them where it hurts guys - in the pocket. Get them out.

try telling that to the 5000 sheep out there.

 

[Grendel]

try telling that to the 5000 sheep out there.

Howzaaat!!!

 

[Perryccfc]

At the end of the day, nobody knows what SISUs real intentions were when they purchased the club. They were never going to come in and say were a hedge fund we will asset strip, flog anything of value, and be general twats. They may have planned all this, they are a hedge fund. They buy sinking ships, break it up, and sell it on. Despite what they say They will have taken money. We don't know if they're struggling and panicking behind the scenes. It's what seems the most likely thing anyone would do. But this is a professional company, who have made a fortune doing this kind of thing. They may be happy with the way things are going. All we can do is second guess. They don't care about us. Or the club. They want money. End of. There's a reason they're not willing to sell. And my guess is that they're happy enough with how we are. They will try squeeze every last penny out, and they drop the club quicker than a 16 year old ejaculates (excuse the expression).

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

so we know the name of the guy who is interested (apparently) ....... what exactly would stop SISU going direct to him in that case and cutting out any middleman. It would suit both parties wouldnt it .... it isnt as if the chinese company has any difficulty operating in the english speaking world.....

in hoffman we zzzzzzzzzzzz

Well, putting myself in Chinese Billionaire shoes, if I was approached by the very people that the man who had attracted me to the project in the first place had told/warned me all about, I'd be well informed to tell them to get lost!

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

I agree with Eleanor (sorry prince) the chinaman hasn't disappeared some of spin bowlers still have it in their repertoire though it is a dying art.

Like this guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Hogg

It's not so much a delivery in his repertoire as a style, like Slow Left Arm, Leg Break, Off Break etc.

Can we change this to Warwickshire Bears Talk? We'd have a decent club to follow then! One that pays the bills, too..

 

[shmmeee]

To be honest I now have more of an issue with the bullshit merchants like theprince and others than I do with Sisu.

It's easier to take knowing Sisu are here for the next year than constant what ifs. It splits the fan base and makes some take stupid decisions like not backing the club in some insane hope that it forces Sisu to sell to a supposed buyer.

There is no buyer. Nothing any of these so called insiders say has ever come true. They're just attention seekers and the same people keep hero worshipping them.

If theprince (or any of them) can point me to posts they've made with specific predictions that have come to pass and weren't public knowledge before then fine, I'll apologise. But AFAIK there is no such evidence just bullshit rumour after bullshit rumour and it's actively damaging the fanbase and spamming up a message board which is seriously lacking in intelligent, informed debate at the best of times.

/rant

 

[wingy]

Am affraid this one matches all the other False Dawns ,and they usually appear after Sisu make a show of "Carrying On".Reeks of Mischief Making,Destablisation !!!
Now that would sell ,the comedy that is "Carry On Coventry City".

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

At the end of the day, nobody knows what SISUs real intentions were when they purchased the club. They were never going to come in and say were a hedge fund we will asset strip, flog anything of value, and be general twats. They may have planned all this, they are a hedge fund. They buy sinking ships, break it up, and sell it on. Despite what they say They will have taken money. We don't know if they're struggling and panicking behind the scenes. It's what seems the most likely thing anyone would do. But this is a professional company, who have made a fortune doing this kind of thing. They may be happy with the way things are going. All we can do is second guess. They don't care about us. Or the club. They want money. End of. There's a reason they're not willing to sell. And my guess is that they're happy enough with how we are. They will try squeeze every last penny out, and they drop the club quicker than a 16 year old ejaculates (excuse the expression).

Well said, Perr! I reckon we are possibly a tax loss adjuster.