lewys33
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I don't really agree with that personally. For one you put intelligent racists ......
This is clearly wrong, because I dispute it. Intelligent (albeit IMO misguided) racists will realise that if the UK no longer has to take just anyone from the EU who wants to move here, there is more scope for people with different coloured skin to move. That's because the controlled immigration limits can be relaxed.
I don't really agree with that personally. For one you put intelligent racists ......
Yes, a bit of an oxymoron. But the point is sound IMO; racists generally go for people with different coloured skin - Europeans are all white but the Indians, Malaysians, Africans etc. who will be able to come in greater numbers if we were not in Europe are not.
Agreed - but I would say the UK population feels the same about Eastern Europeans. The other reason they want out is they are thinking half of Syria and 75% of turkey are on the way.
Syria and Turkey I buy. Eastern Europeans; really?
Agreed if it's not out and out Racism it's resentment.Probably not to the same extent but I think so yes.
but this appalling campaign from the Remain brigade
Anyway, nobody seems to have actually countered any of the points raised in this particular post, I've just returned to this thread to see a load of soundbytes over and over...
...unlike the pure as the driven snow campaign from 'leave'... Posters of immigrants manipulated to a use beyond the original photo, with disturbing shades of propaganda, economists compared to Nazis, and fronted by a gentleman sacked for lying in the past, who has lied again during this campaign. I don't especially see how one can decide that a campaign to stay in the EU has been 'fear' compared to its opponent.
Anyway, nobody seems to have actually countered any of the points raised in this particular post, I've just returned to this thread to see a load of soundbytes over and over...
...unlike the pure as the driven snow campaign from 'leave'... Posters of immigrants manipulated to a use beyond the original photo, with disturbing shades of propaganda, economists compared to Nazis, and fronted by a gentleman sacked for lying in the past, who has lied again during this campaign. I don't especially see how one can decide that a campaign to stay in the EU has been 'fear' compared to its opponent.
Anyway, nobody seems to have actually countered any of the points raised in this particular post, I've just returned to this thread to see a load of soundbytes over and over...
And Corbyn, Blair, Brown, Cameron and Osborne can be trusted. This has been a sham of an effort at Democracy. Remain campaign lying from start to finish propped up by a load of wet blankets and PC nutters in the media.I can understand all of the downsides of being the EU (though regulations on employers and employment rights is certainly not one of them), so could be encouraged to vote out on that basis.
HOWEVER, I have no faith at all in the blatant liars within the Leave campaign who will presumably be part of the government post leave if that happens. I am thinking of Boris Johnson, Gove and Priti Patel, all pretty detestable individuals whose interests are certainly not for ordinary British people.
Agreed - but I would say the UK population feels the same about Eastern Europeans. The other reason they want out is they are thinking half of Syria and 75% of turkey are on the way.
Except they are now using the leverage of 'pay us loads of money' and give us EU membership or we let the floodgates open again..............things have changed.Turkey who have been preparing to join the EU for forty year's and are no further forward in meeting the criteria to join than they were forty years ago. It isn't going to happen.
Except they are now using the leverage of 'pay us loads of money' and give us EU membership or we let the floodgates open again..............things have changed.
Both sides aren't blameless, but the Leave campaigns idiotic behaviour is not even remotely comparable to the well orchestrated, almost militants capagin of fear from Remain.
The facts aren't clear to see, they're just pushed in favour by whoever has an agenda. There's always lies, nothing concrete.
I'm voting out, not out of spite, but because I will not be bullied, scared, or looked down upon for actually considering both sides of the fence.
Have tried to keep out of it, Stu. Not watched any of the debates, or read the papers on it and have just sought out as much info as I could myself.Both camps have campaigned on fear, remain on the fear of the unknown, and brexit on the fear of immigrants taking all our jobs, homes, NHS, school.
I suggest you check out the video I posted before voting. These are the facts
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Both camps have campaigned on fear, remain on the fear of the unknown, and brexit on the fear of immigrants taking all our jobs, homes, NHS, school.
I suggest you check out the video I posted before voting. These are the facts
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It's a pile of biased crap.Have just watched that though.
It's a pile of biased crap.
It's a pile of biased crap.
Whichever camp you are in - you could argue that the other one has not presented a compelling enough argument to make you change your mind.
I'm absolutely sick of this shit.
The latest thing to do the rounds is a picture saying 'if you're not sure, vote remain. We can always decide again in the future.'
If the EU was democratic then they wouldn't be shutting the door in our faces should we decide to leave due to a public vote anyway. Fear has captured most people in the middle ground I'd say, and that picture being shared 330k times is probably enough to shift 1% in the Remain direction.
I was on the fence originally, but this appalling campaign from the Remain brigade, and all the Facebook politicians telling people they're idiots for voting leave has made we want to do just that.
What a sour state of things.
lol dont chat shit
you wanna vote out just say it
dont act like you were forced into it
you are following farage with your own free will
LOL LOL LOLWhat's wrong with Nigel farage? Tells a few home truths and what's wrong with that?
Mmm they are still desperate............... didn't they try to come to any of her birthdays from 14th through to 20th !!?I've decided which way to vote after seeing the translation of the bribes the German paper Bild has offered...
I do like number 7....
- We'll acknowledge the Wembley goal
- We'll stop making jokes about Prince Charles's ears
- We'll stop using sun cream on the beach out of solidarity with your sunburn
- We'll reserve a place with our towels for you on the hotel sun-lounger
- We'll introduce tea breaks
- We'll turn our clocks back an hour to be in synch with you
- We'll do without a goalie in penalty shoot-outs with you to make it a bit more exciting
- We'll send (German national football manager) Joachim Low to guard your Crown Jewels
- We'll introduce an EU regulation banning a frothy head on beer
- We'll all come along to the Queen's 100th birthday
- We'll willingly provide the villain in every Bond film
Solid argument.LOL LOL LOL
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