skybluetony176
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Like I said. It’s a cult.
Moggmentum purge of the Tory party continues:
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A cult??? Deluded mateLike I said. It’s a cult.
Exactly the response I would expect from a cult member.A cult??? Deluded mate
Moggmentum purge of the Tory party continues:
This was sent to her, remember an MP that voted for Brexit 3 times!
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I am too old to understand this comment.
Incredible, isn’t it? Mogg himself voted against it (twice?) and was a major player in preventing us from leaving.
Voters should be turning away from the tories in droves while this toxic behaviour continues.
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Oh yes the so called experts. All of them have an opinion that differs to the next opinion. These are the same experts that got it wrong on there being a leave vote. But of course they will be right this time......
Yes there will be job losses. But hopefully if it all goes tits up....which I don't think it will....we can go back to making things instead of importing them because they are cheaper to buy than make. And all because we pay a decent wage.
I know that I have been constantly told that I am wrong for the last few years when I have said that the EU will relent right at the end. But they always do. That is why other countries have deals not available to anyone. But what it will look like is anyone's guess. The problem is that the doom mongers are the loudest.
We have a choice. Go to the British government to be in charge who are on the side of the rich or pay to have the EU in charge who are on the side of the rich.
They will back it
The last line is indeed true. The main Brexiteers are all wealthy who don't want to have to share their influence with others in this country. It's self interest not what will be best for the country.
Like you my main focus of hope is that at some point we will start making things again rather than import, but that will be dependent on tariffs and the companies making decisions on whether it is more financially viable to pay the tariffs or open up a base here. But in order to avoid tariffs somewhere along the line they have to have the entire supply chain here in the UK - that's a big outlay. It's not just about setting up a factory - it's about materials, components etc.
At the moment we have a foothold because as well as the large domestic market manufacturers have access to the even larger EU market. If that goes then as we're seeing at the moment the initial instinct is to have your base in the larger market, which is the EU. Will that change over time? Who knows but my instinct suggests the tariffs will end up being cheaper than setting up an entire operation in the UK, certainly without some form of government incentive being offered. Time will tell but it's going to take a fair while for them to make that decision after we leave.
really? Who will they vote for then?
So I am not allowed to mention what you quote?Have you got confused?
You said the people saying we’d fuck manufacturing etc were people like me who weren’t leavers. Nothing about “noise”. That was a different conversation thread.
That’s a fair point Grendel and shows how toxic an issue Brexit has become. Also shows the weakness of a GE as it ends up being a leave vs remain vote but with the complexities of a normal election and party lines.
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So I am not allowed to mention what you quote?
You both make out the noise for leave is massive yet make out the noise for remain is much lower. Yet the opposite is the truth.You seem to have conflated two separate points from two different people and misinterpreted them but I’ll try and answer you.
Where is all the noise for leave? - as I stated the noise for leave in the media seems to have abated somewhat as it met with reality yet the government is still in a knot of its own making as it now tries to tweak the deal and get the DUP onboard.
As somebody else stated - the noise, within the Tory party and government, is still there in the form of the prominent leavers who are still plotting the course.
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You both make out the noise for leave is massive yet make out the noise for remain is much lower. Yet the opposite is the truth.
And vote for who? Remain has one chance. The Lib Dems. But they jumped into bed with the Tories. Labour? No chance while Corbyn is in charge. Saying that he was defended to the hilt for the last few years. But reality has finally hit home.Voters should be turning away from the tories in droves while this toxic behaviour continues.
If tariffs are introduced manufacturing will return to the UK.The last line is indeed true. The main Brexiteers are all wealthy who don't want to have to share their influence with others in this country. It's self interest not what will be best for the country.
Like you my main focus of hope is that at some point we will start making things again rather than import, but that will be dependent on tariffs and the companies making decisions on whether it is more financially viable to pay the tariffs or open up a base here. But in order to avoid tariffs somewhere along the line they have to have the entire supply chain here in the UK - that's a big outlay. It's not just about setting up a factory - it's about materials, components etc.
At the moment we have a foothold because as well as the large domestic market manufacturers have access to the even larger EU market. If that goes then as we're seeing at the moment the initial instinct is to have your base in the larger market, which is the EU. Will that change over time? Who knows but my instinct suggests the tariffs will end up being cheaper than setting up an entire operation in the UK, certainly without some form of government incentive being offered. Time will tell but it's going to take a fair while for them to make that decision after we leave.
You said initially all the noise was leave? When did you say 'initially'?Nope. That’s at best an oversimplification of what I said and at worst completely wrong.
I said initially the noise was all leave, and this dictated government direction and put them in the bind they’re in.
Having met reality most of the leave slogans have been shown to be as vacuous as they seemed and the remain voices are now louder while leave is all but in hiding.
HOWEVER, the government continues to dance to the tune of leave due to the various leavers in positions of influence.
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That’s a fair point Grendel and shows how toxic an issue Brexit has become. Also shows the weakness of a GE as it ends up being a leave vs remain vote but with the complexities of a normal election and party lines.
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And vote for who? Remain has one chance. The Lib Dems. But they jumped into bed with the Tories. Labour? No chance while Corbyn is in charge. Saying that he was defended to the hilt for the last few years. But reality has finally hit home.
Leave means leave etc. Although in another twist of Irony she is right in what she’s said today even though she didn’t practice what she is now preaching.
Are you saying that Corbyn is the person to take Labour forward or are you just waiting for a chance to twist my words as usual?Out of curiosity. What’s the “reality” that’s hit home about Corbyn?
Are you saying that Corbyn is the person to take Labour forward or are you just waiting for a chance to twist my words as usual?
If tariffs are introduced manufacturing will return to the UK.
Look at Japan. They get a trade deal with the EU then start pulling manufacturing out of Europe.
I take it all back about Boris. Truly the wankers PM
If tariffs are introduced manufacturing will return to the UK.
Look at Japan. They get a trade deal with the EU then start pulling manufacturing out of Europe.
I take it all back about Boris. Truly the wankers PM
Typical answer of someone who can't face simple facts.I don’t think anything of it, I wasn’t aware of it. Doesn’t sound particularly interesting, quite a lot of people think we should honour the result don’t they? What’s your point?
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