The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (44 Viewers)

shmmeee · Oct 17, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
You won't see anyone remotely right leaning on mainstream British TV and that's not because there's no funny non lefty comedians, they're just not allowed on TV. What they are fed on TV is what constitutes who is funny or not to people like Skybluetony.

British comedy is dead anyway. American stand ups are far funnier.

This is utter bollocks. The BBC have been quotaing right wing comics for a while. Even the Mash Report has one (probably their best), Top Gear existed for decades. There’s a terrible one on the News Quiz each week it seems.

The idea the BBC is against the right when virtually the entire politics and news section is made up of Tories is hilarious. You may have had a point a while ago but not today.

Also the BBC isn’t the only gig in town, where are the right wing comics selling out tours or getting Netflix specials?

djr8369 · Oct 17, 2019

Astute said:
Can you work it out for yourself or don't you want to understand?

Japan has tariffs removed fr8m what they sell to EU countries. This means they don't have to make cars in the EU. So they pull many thousands of jobs out of the EU countries.

The UK like you say would be going the other direction. So this means if tariffs were introduced it would be cheaper to make many items in the UK.

Removal of tariffs = manufacturing moves into that country
Addition of tariffs = manufacturing moves into that country

Got it.

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Ian1779 · Oct 17, 2019

Grendel said:
never is as far as Mr Junker is concerned is it - he said it though

Then who was it that said an extension would be down to the British government to apply for (as I thought they couldn’t block it). It was on the radio and I didn’t catch who said it - but someone did.

shmmeee · Oct 17, 2019

Astute said:
Labour would have a much better chance with someone else leading the party.

Problem is “someone else” isn’t on the ballot and the right of the party is hardly bursting at the seams with modern day Tony Blairs or John Smiths. Even Corbyn is a cut rate Foot.

Sick Boy · Oct 17, 2019

It’s incredible that a fallback option of a backstop for NI was not on but the definitive future arrangement of NI remaining in the SM and CU is fine.

It’s actually incredible what a difference a posh accent makes.

Ian1779 · Oct 17, 2019

shmmeee said:
Problem is “someone else” isn’t on the ballot and the right of the party is hardly bursting at the seams with modern day Tony Blairs or John Smiths. Even Corbyn is a cut rate Foot.

Unless Labour have someone that will take forward the manifesto and plans that they are currently proposing they will be dead in the water. If it is not Corbyn then it has to be someone behind their social program.

Neo-liberal politics is finished.

skybluetony176 · Oct 17, 2019

djr8369 · Oct 17, 2019

Sick Boy said:
It’s incredible that a fallback option of a backstop for NI was not on but the definitive future arrangement of NI remaining in the SM and CU is fine.

It’s actually incredible what a difference a posh accent makes.

When you put it as succinctly as that it really is remarkable.

But the backstop is gone! That’s all that’s heard...

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Astute · Oct 17, 2019

shmmeee said:
Problem is “someone else” isn’t on the ballot and the right of the party is hardly bursting at the seams with modern day Tony Blairs or John Smiths. Even Corbyn is a cut rate Foot.

Of course it is a problem. A problem many try to make out doesn't exist.

Astute · Oct 17, 2019

djr8369 said:
Removal of tariffs = manufacturing moves into that country
Addition of tariffs = manufacturing moves into that country

Got it.

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Got your next twisting of what someone has said ready again you mean?

shmmeee · Oct 17, 2019

Astute said:
Of course it is a problem. A problem many try to make out doesn't exist.

Say what you like about Corbyn. Ain’t nobody writing Yvette Cooper poetry on Twitter.

My faith isn’t so much in Corbyn as in the maelstrom of radical left wing thinking behind him. We need change, that means it’s on the left to sort out and the old ways aren’t going to cut it.

I was hoping a better heir to the Corbynite throne would appear given time and space but that looks unlikely when you look across his front bench.

Thing is, when you look at what someone like Miliband has become when not in leadership you don’t wonder if many of the dull suits in Labour could do a lot better if they sacked all their advisors and went with their gut.

But I suspect the real problem with Labour is they’re radically left wing and that scares the shit out of the established powers and all guns come out against them. Corbyn just has a lot of targets to hit. If Tony Blair had Corbyns manifesto he wouldn’t have got near No 10. The British populace are well trained.

djr8369 · Oct 17, 2019

Astute said:
Got your next twisting of what someone has said ready again you mean?

How have I twisted what you said? Is that not the logic you are using?

I’ve never twisted what you’ve said. You’ve got to stop just accusing people of stuff like that. Also, stop referring to your own posts as “truth”.

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Sick Boy · Oct 17, 2019

djr8369 said:
How have I twisted what you said? Is that not the logic you are using?

I’ve never twisted what you’ve said. You’ve got to stop just accusing people of stuff like that. Also, stop referring to your own posts as “truth”.

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You must like banging your head against a wall.

fernandopartridge · Oct 17, 2019

djr8369 said:
Removal of tariffs = manufacturing moves into that country
Addition of tariffs = manufacturing moves into that country

Got it.

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Thanks, I really can't be bothered to respond to any more of his posts

CCFCSteve · Oct 17, 2019

shmmeee said:
We’re in the upside down people

Literally just heard that from a guy in my office.

Just been listening Farage on LBC...infuriating !

Saying in one breath that we should’ve left on WTO and negotiated a free trade agreement but in another because the WA/Political Dec says the intention is to secure a free trade agreement and that Barnier has said we can’t have a free trade agreement unless there is regulatory alignment etc, we won’t get one without agreeing to this ?!! Go figure ! Which one is it ?! The EU would surely be negotiating in the same way in either scenario. If anything we’d be in a weaker in a position in WTO scenario, unless other trade deals are all in place (which they aren’t)

I’m uncomfortable about the NI situation but at least there is no hard border (hopefully there will be a way to address this with technological solutions in conjunction with a trade agreement further down the line) and they have a backstop exit option every four years, although I appreciate it might be difficult to achieve this, it will be the country’s choice.

The WA is a reasonable compromise but as with the whole process the extremes don’t accept anything that doesn’t match their own ideologies.

This is heading to a second referendum (I guess that’s why Grieve, Cable etc were in Brussels yesterday). The pain continues !

fellatio_Martinez · Oct 17, 2019

shmmeee said:
This is utter bollocks. The BBC have been quotaing right wing comics for a while. Even the Mash Report has one (probably their best), Top Gear existed for decades. There’s a terrible one on the News Quiz each week it seems.

The idea the BBC is against the right when virtually the entire politics and news section is made up of Tories is hilarious. You may have had a point a while ago but not today.

Also the BBC isn’t the only gig in town, where are the right wing comics selling out tours or getting Netflix specials?

I was referring to comedy shows specifically. Top Gear isn't a comedy and politics shows aren't either.

Watch Have I Got News For You or Mock The Week etc. It's all shit comedians telling obvious Trump jokes and towing the politically correct line.

I don’t think it's necessarily a BBC phenomenon. Channel 4 are equally as bad. It's boring and it's safe and there's nowhere for younger comedians who have something different to say to go.

How would a non left British comedian go about getting a huge tour or Netflix special when British TV stations won't go near them? The exposure doesn't exist.

fernandopartridge · Oct 17, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
I was referring to comedy shows specifically. Top Gear isn't a comedy and politics shows aren't either.

Watch Have I Got News For You or Mock The Week etc. It's all shit comedians telling obvious Trump jokes and towing the politically correct line.

I don’t think it's necessarily a BBC phenomenon. Channel 4 are equally as bad. It's boring and it's safe and there's nowhere for younger comedians who have something different to say to go.

How would a non left British comedian go about getting a huge tour or Netflix special when British TV stations won't go near them? The exposure doesn't exist.

Nothing PC about taking the piss out of Trump

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Oct 17, 2019

djr8369 said:
Removal of tariffs = manufacturing moves into that country
Addition of tariffs = manufacturing moves into that country

Got it.

Depends on if you're talking imports or exports.

It does of course work both ways. EU companies may well be pulling manufacturing out of Japan as well because their plants are no longer needed now there are no tariffs.

Just as we've heard a great deal about companies in the UK planning to move to the EU, there may well be EU companies whose main market is in the UK and so would look to move here afterwards. One side will focus on the jobs moving into the EU, the other will focus on jobs being created here - whichever fits their narrative best.

Personally I believe far fewer companies will relocate here and create jobs than will leave here for the EU but we shall have to see.

Ian1779 · Oct 17, 2019

shmmeee said:
Say what you like about Corbyn. Ain’t nobody writing Yvette Cooper poetry on Twitter.

My faith isn’t so much in Corbyn as in the maelstrom of radical left wing thinking behind him. We need change, that means it’s on the left to sort out and the old ways aren’t going to cut it.

I was hoping a better heir to the Corbynite throne would appear given time and space but that looks unlikely when you look across his front bench.

Thing is, when you look at what someone like Miliband has become when not in leadership you don’t wonder if many of the dull suits in Labour could do a lot better if they sacked all their advisors and went with their gut.

But I suspect the real problem with Labour is they’re radically left wing and that scares the shit out of the established powers and all guns come out against them. Corbyn just has a lot of targets to hit. If Tony Blair had Corbyns manifesto he wouldn’t have got near No 10. The British populace are well trained.

If you were looking at a long term strategy you could argue that having Corbyn as the face of a left wing radical program is perfect. He has a lot of past history that will make him a target, and the energy used to smear a supposedly inept man tells you otherwise. But his ideas are popular - even if he isn’t. So if they were to develop an heir so to speak that will take his program forward - that doesn’t have the other aspects that have been thrown at him, then you may struggle to see how they smear the next person. Are they going to be able to credibly put smears of endemic anti-semitism for example at the feet of a younger leader? Even the public would begin to see through that.

It may turn out that his legacy is not to be the lead man of a radically different agenda, but to pave a way for someone else to do it, because him being there deflected all the shit until there was none left to throw.

fellatio_Martinez · Oct 17, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Nothing PC about taking the piss out of Trump

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 17, 2019

Sick Boy said:
It’s incredible that a fallback option of a backstop for NI was not on but the definitive future arrangement of NI remaining in the SM and CU is fine.

It’s actually incredible what a difference a posh accent makes.

Expensive suit, posh accent, long words and a few jokes

Dumbasses and journos lap it up

stupot07 · Oct 17, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
The EU27 will turn it down if that is the case

Why would they? They dont want us to leave.

Btw do you actually give a shit about NI or the union? Or just happy to have brexit? I cant wait to be financially worse off.

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Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 17, 2019

Ian1779 said:
If you were looking at a long term strategy you could argue that having Corbyn as the face of a left wing radical program is perfect. He has a lot of past history that will make him a target, and the energy used to smear a supposedly inept man tells you otherwise. But his ideas are popular - even if he isn’t. So if they were to develop an heir so to speak that will take his program forward - that doesn’t have the other aspects that have been thrown at him, then you may struggle to see how they smear the next person. Are they going to be able to credibly put smears of endemic anti-semitism for example at the feet of a younger leader? Even the public would begin to see through that.

It may turn out that his legacy is not to be the lead man of a radically different agenda, but to pave a way for someone else to do it, because him being there deflected all the shit until there was none left to throw.

He needs to stand aside before the next election and endorse a 'clean' candidate without the baggage but with the policies.

djr8369 · Oct 17, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Depends on if you're talking imports or exports.

It does of course work both ways. EU companies may well be pulling manufacturing out of Japan as well because their plants are no longer needed now there are no tariffs.

Just as we've heard a great deal about companies in the UK planning to move to the EU, there may well be EU companies whose main market is in the UK and so would look to move here afterwards. One side will focus on the jobs moving into the EU, the other will focus on jobs being created here - whichever fits their narrative best.

Personally I believe far fewer companies will relocate here and create jobs than will leave here for the EU but we shall have to see.

Yes it does indeed work both ways but I suspect your last sentence is correct.

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shmmeee · Oct 17, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
I was referring to comedy shows specifically. Top Gear isn't a comedy and politics shows aren't either.

Watch Have I Got News For You or Mock The Week etc. It's all shit comedians telling obvious Trump jokes and towing the politically correct line.

I don’t think it's necessarily a BBC phenomenon. Channel 4 are equally as bad. It's boring and it's safe and there's nowhere for younger comedians who have something different to say to go.

How would a non left British comedian go about getting a huge tour or Netflix special when British TV stations won't go near them? The exposure doesn't exist.

I honestly didn’t even realise Mock the Werk was still going. HIGNFY literally has Hislop who is dead centre and has had a host of right wing entertainers on including our very own PM. It’s also not a BBC program, it’s made by Hat Trick and they’re quite clear about the separation I believe.

This isn’t 1985, plenty of comedians get exposure on the circuit or YouTube these days. You can’t blame the man for keeping you down any more. If it’s out there it gets attention. It ain’t out there because right wing thought basically isn’t funny.

There’s a lot of good anti-SJW comedy like the Louis CK and Dave Chappell recent stuff, but that comes from mostly left of centre comedians when it’s good. So it’s not even like there’s no material.

Edit: also if Top Gear is just a car show, then HIGNFY and Mock The Week are just gameshows.

Grendel · Oct 17, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Thanks, I really can't be bothered to respond to any more of his posts

I think I know what he’s getting at he just didn’t express it very well

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Oct 17, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
I was referring to comedy shows specifically. Top Gear isn't a comedy and politics shows aren't either.

Watch Have I Got News For You or Mock The Week etc. It's all shit comedians telling obvious Trump jokes and towing the politically correct line.

I don’t think it's necessarily a BBC phenomenon. Channel 4 are equally as bad. It's boring and it's safe and there's nowhere for younger comedians who have something different to say to go.

How would a non left British comedian go about getting a huge tour or Netflix special when British TV stations won't go near them? The exposure doesn't exist.

Are you talking about the same HIGNFY that pretty much launched the media profile and front bench careers of Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg? A show which Jeremy Clarkson has appeared on and presented numerous times.

Julia Hartley Brewer I remember has made a number of appearances, as has Andrew Neil.

I also remember appearances by Pier Morgan, Kelvin MacKenzie, the Hamiltons, Nigel Farage, Richard Littlejohn, Robert Kilroy-Silk, Godfrey Bloom and that UKIP women who was up for the leadership or deputy or something, Alan Duncan, Fabricant, Roy Hattersley, Anne Widdecombe, Louise Mensch, the Aussie Robert Maxwell guy. Totally lefties.

MTW is a panel show just for comedians, and most comedians are left wing so it definitely does get more left wing than right overall.

clint van damme · Oct 17, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Whats the remoaners plan now then? Vote down the deal and then we get no deal..... or do they actually do what the majority voted for and pass the deal

This will be brilliant

When people voted leave they didn't vote for this deal did they

shmmeee said:
Say what you like about Corbyn. Ain’t nobody writing Yvette Cooper poetry on Twitter.

My faith isn’t so much in Corbyn as in the maelstrom of radical left wing thinking behind him. We need change, that means it’s on the left to sort out and the old ways aren’t going to cut it.

I was hoping a better heir to the Corbynite throne would appear given time and space but that looks unlikely when you look across his front bench.

Thing is, when you look at what someone like Miliband has become when not in leadership you don’t wonder if many of the dull suits in Labour could do a lot better if they sacked all their advisors and went with their gut.

But I suspect the real problem with Labour is they’re radically left wing and that scares the shit out of the established powers and all guns come out against them. Corbyn just has a lot of targets to hit. If Tony Blair had Corbyns manifesto he wouldn’t have got near No 10. The British populace are well trained.

I don't actually think Corbyn is radically left wing.
Variations of most of his major policies can be found in major western economies, nationalised public transport, free tuition, central government bank etc.

I just think we've lurched that far too the right they are seen as radically left. I thi k it's called Overtons window or something.

clint van damme · Oct 17, 2019

Astute said:
Can you work it out for yourself or don't you want to understand?

Japan has tariffs removed fr8m what they sell to EU countries. This means they don't have to make cars in the EU. So they pull many thousands of jobs out of the EU countries.

The UK like you say would be going the other direction. So this means if tariffs were introduced it would be cheaper to make many items in the UK.

Are Japanese companies withdrawing from Europe?
I'm not saying you're wrong I just haven't seen it anywhere.

djr8369 · Oct 17, 2019

clint van damme said:
When people voted leave they didn't vote for this deal did they

I don't actually think Corbyn is radically left wing.
Variations of most of his major policies can be found in major western economies, nationalised public transport, free tuition, central government bank etc.

I just think we've lurched that far too the right they are seen as radically left. I thi k it's called Overtons window or something.

The Overton window, you’re correct. This is why you’ve got people like Bannon running various blogs and web campaigns. Keep dragging the window further over. As you say most Corbyn policies are found elsewhere yet our media brand him a communist. It’s absurd.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, I don’t care for Corbyn either way.

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fernandopartridge · Oct 17, 2019

Lol.

djr8369 · Oct 17, 2019

clint van damme said:
Are Japanese companies withdrawing from Europe?
I'm not saying you're wrong I just haven't seen it anywhere.

At least one of the car companies plan to close factories and move it back to Japan, as I recall. Bit of a different situation for them though as they’ve got access to parts suppliers over there and can build cheaper there and now avoid a tariff importing the car to the EU.

I would think that won’t translate well to us as well be trying to bring parts in from the EU with a tariff. Will probably make sense for some smaller companies or products with less complex supply chains to open a factory in the U.K. but that will have to be weighed against the capital costs. All the models seem to show a net negative for us though.

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Oct 17, 2019

djr8369 said:
The Overton window, you’re correct. This is why you’ve got people like Bannon running various blogs and web campaigns. Keep dragging the window further over. As you say most Corbyn policies are found elsewhere yet our media brand him a communist. It’s absurd.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, I don’t care for Corbyn either way.

It does depend on the country. In the US Corbyn would be consider an uber-Communist. Over there the likes of Obama, Hilary etc are considered left wing. Over here they'd be slightly to the right. Even Bernie Sanders would be considered a centrist here.

I think over here we've the 'centre' shift to the right economically, but to the left socially.

Astute · Oct 17, 2019

shmmeee said:
Say what you like about Corbyn. Ain’t nobody writing Yvette Cooper poetry on Twitter.

My faith isn’t so much in Corbyn as in the maelstrom of radical left wing thinking behind him. We need change, that means it’s on the left to sort out and the old ways aren’t going to cut it.

I was hoping a better heir to the Corbynite throne would appear given time and space but that looks unlikely when you look across his front bench.

Thing is, when you look at what someone like Miliband has become when not in leadership you don’t wonder if many of the dull suits in Labour could do a lot better if they sacked all their advisors and went with their gut.

But I suspect the real problem with Labour is they’re radically left wing and that scares the shit out of the established powers and all guns come out against them. Corbyn just has a lot of targets to hit. If Tony Blair had Corbyns manifesto he wouldn’t have got near No 10. The British populace are well trained.

Yeah OK.

Astute · Oct 17, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Thanks, I really can't be bothered to respond to any more of his posts

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