rofl.Oh yeah Corbyn and his communist buddies are so much better
What’s that got to do with anything? Lab want a CU and SNP and Dems want to revoke so of course they reject it. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be scrutinised if you want it to go through.
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Ahh, you mean shoot yourself in two feet vs shoot yourself in one foot. No chance of having don’t shoot yourself in either foot?How about we have a second referendum with either No Deal or Boris deal? Seems fair don't it
You do know, you saying "If you don’t let me win I’m going to take my ball back. What an absolute child" is exactly what people trying to overturn the vote are doing?
You do know, you saying "If you don’t let me win I’m going to take my ball back. What an absolute child" is exactly what people trying to overturn the vote are doing?
A second referendum would be a rematch. Boris isn’t even willing to let the first match get to full time.
It would be more sensible than taking your ball away during match 1Hahahaha rematch only because you can't accept the result.....
Sorry 17.4 million voters, we have to have a rematch because Tony said so
Mate the game is over, full time, leave won get over itIt would be more sensible than taking your ball away during match 1
One more experience, one more entry, in a diary self-penned.Mate the game is over
Mate the game is over, full time, leave won get over it
One more experience, one more entry, in a diary self-penned.
It ain’t over until the paperwork is done. Unfortunately for leavers we have a PM who doesn’t want the T’s crossing and the I’s dotting so would rather not complete the game instead.
Nah. I can move countries and earn enough to be cushioned from any economic impact.
How is Johnson's the best deal to leave the EU?Accept it fellas, if it was the other way round we'd have accepted it years ago.... can't ya both see how childish it looks
How is Johnson's the best deal to leave the EU?
How is it better than May'[s deal?
Why are both deals better than no deal?
Why are all of the above better than staying?
Why was May's deal the best way to leave, but it is now right it was rejected (by the likes of Johnson)? Why could the current Prime Minister not accept leaving, and worked to obstruct it?
Are the DUP now ardent remoaners, as they oppose this deal?
You must answer each question in a minimum of two sentences, with at least 52% of the words including two or more syllables.
No no no Dom you can't do that. You can't include any second referendum that doesn't include remain.How about we have a second referendum with either No Deal or Boris deal? Seems fair don't it
Is it? So what’s the issue with Johnson then?
Good question. The average person will notice very little apart from their rights being taken away.Anyone else wish we hadn't bothered with any of this? What do we actually have to gain?
The last four dozen pages of this thread succinctly sum up all the benefits.What do we actually have to gain?
Accept it fellas, if it was the other way round we'd have accepted it years ago.... can't ya both see how childish it looks
So you're saying that there aren't people that have been fighting to get out since our decision to join in 1972? They've spent over 40 years complaining about the situation and trying to push us out. They had a referendum in 1975. They tried it under Maggie but got blown out the water because she negotiated a rebate. Still they didn't (and haven't) shut up.
Oh yeah Corbyn and his communist buddies are so much better
Anyone else wish we hadn't bothered with any of this? What do we actually have to gain?
No no no Dom you can't do that. You can't include any second referendum that doesn't include remain.
We live in an inclusive world and your suggestion is totally unfair because there's nothing in it for remainers. Remember, the first referendum doesn't count because the result went wrong for those who don't like change and anyway, most of those who voted leave are nearly all dead now . (as they were 6 months after the vote )
The referendum in 1975 when cabinet ministers minutes were suppressed which briefed specifically not to reveal the true intent of the EU you mean?
Or the 2016 referendum where the main protagonists went around claiming outcomes and deals which were completely and utterly unfeasible, toured the country with a bus with a message on the side which if you're being very, very kind would be described as a mistruth (but more accurately described as a lie) and who said NI would be unaffected by us leaving?
There are leading Brexiters who have stated they’d rather Remain than have CU/No Deal. Are they not Leavey enough now?
Besides, as keeps being pointed out this is a second referendum and we let you have leave on it.
Also, the first referendum says nothing about how we leave, why wouldn’t you check if this is good enough?
But you know all these arguments and are just scared that the majority aren’t on your side any more.
The argument made by many righties that Corbyn's scared of an election because he knows he'll lose tends to be forgotten when reflected back on themselves...But you know all these arguments and are just scared that the majority aren’t on your side any more.
Who would actually win in a second referendum?The argument made by many righties that Corbyn's scared of an election because he knows he'll lose tends to be forgotten when reflected back on themselves...
tbf you help to contribute to that!All I see on this thread though is an idea to win - one way or the other 50% will lose and until someone wakes up to that nothing will change
One thing we have to do is leave. Under whatever guise that is we have to leave the EUtbf you help to contribute to that!
I agree on a philosophical level but, what do you do? The soft options antagonise hard righties, and end up with the country worse off than under the current status quo and will therefore antagonise dribbling europhiles (although worth noting that for one such europhile, Ken Clarke has made mighty steps to try to compromise his beliefs to help the country move forward. If only some of the righteous righties had been prepared to do the same, eh!). So... you still end up having a sizeable number who 'lose' in the compromise situation that pleases nobody.
Ultimately, it's been bungled too much, and it needs some bravery to take a step back and re-set. The goivernment needs to consult with the opposition and reach a consensus, if that isn't possible then we need some indicative votes for preferred way forward and, if they don't work, we need a number of options put on the table to the people... but that's a very complicated public vote, and arguably too complicated so therefore we shouldn't even get to that stage.
Parliament's system is too black and white really. They had the chance when they did indicative votes last time but, really, having failed to get a majority for anything, there ought to have been the chance to knock out the tailenders and run the votes again, looking for that consensus.
The actual slogan was not a lie and there was ample opportunity for the other side to make the obvious comments against it
All I see on this thread though is an idea to win - one way or the other 50% will lose and until someone wakes up to that nothing will change
I disagree. Again, you're reducing it to a binary. Leaving with no deal, would be a catastrophe, Johnson's deal is near that. Even May's deal not good at all... and it's always missed, of course, that both of these deals don't protect against economic and social armageddon, they just kick the can down the road for the same arguments to be made with a different goal at the end of it.One thing we have to do is leave. Under whatever guise that is we have to leave the EU
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