So you would agree that Catalans should have their independence? How about Cornwall? London? Coventry? Bedworth?
What you are aiming toward despite your comments about the GFA is pure out & out war & anarchy.
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Patronising twaddleEmpty heads make the most noise. Young people seeking a sense of purpose that find one are going to make a lot of noise too - they get quite excitable.
The youngsters at said vote rally are not necessarily representative of youth at large. Just like those carry knives & those that get pissed every Friday night aren't!
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You said "if they both want it"...well if that mean NI & Scotland all you are talking about is opening the floodgates for the break-up of probably 90% of nations. That would mean erecting borders...& that is what led to the troubles that led to the GFA!Wow, just wow.
How would following the GFA with regards to a referendum on a united Ireland be aiming for pure out and out war and anarchy?
Your comparison of Coventry and Bedworth to Ireland and the provisions for a referendum on reunification is priceless and one of your best yet. And yet you still have the nerve to try and act condescending towards others.
Yes but if we focus on another specific case, a school in Beaconsfield on News at Ten last night seemed to suggest the young are as divided as the old. So for every specific of relatively small carefully selected examples to support an argument...somebody else can find a contradictory one!Patronising twaddle
You said "if they both want it"...well if that mean NI & Scotland all you are talking about is opening the floodgates for the break-up of probably 90% of nations. That would mean erecting borders...& that is what led to the troubles that led to the GFA!
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People with the relevant skills can make a far more informed prediction than you or I. The reduction of experts to nothing is one of the saddest states of affairs of modern Britain.
Yes but if we focus on another specific case, a school in Beaconsfield on News at Ten last night seemed to suggest the young are as divided as the old. So for every specific of relatively small carefully selected examples to support an argument...somebody else can find a contradictory one!
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Yes, I agree...but not the point you were making, unless I misinterpreted what you were saying initially that seemed to indicate to me that if people (anywhere) want independence you should give it them!?Breaking the GFA and denying a united Ireland (if that was what Ireland and the north wanted) would lead to far more bloodshed.
I was replying to a post about NI and Scotland.Yes, I agree...but not the point you were making, unless I misinterpreted what you were saying initially that seemed to indicate to me that if people (anywhere) want independence you should give it them!?
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Conservatives still showing as having a 15 point lead.. Labour are finished unless they replace Corbyn
Which is it? Labour's policies or their leader? You're contradicting yourself as usual dim
3 and a half years and the tossers still want more time, disgraceful... losing more and more votes by the day!! Bring on the election
You said in the prior post 3.5 years and they still want time. That suggests you've a problem with labour wanting to scrutunise the bill.Corbyn, when did i say anything about policies?
You said in the prior post 3.5 years and they still want time. That suggests you've a problem with labour wanting to scrutunise the bill.
Parliament only had sight of the draft WAB a couple of days ago, so 3.5 years is a complete misnomer or you just don't get how things work.
Labour should realise how them constantly delaying the process is losing them so many votes!! Will be brilliant to see how parliament will look after the elections
Who threatened to pull the bill entirely?
the original bill without amendments? No one.
Then my original point stands. If you encourage independence in Scotland, Cornwall et al. Can feel emboldened in seeking the same. NI/ROI is a perfect example of what that can lead to.I was replying to a post about NI and Scotland.
C.mon. You can do this. I have faith in you. Who was the person who threatened they would remove the Withdrawal Agreement entirely and thus prevent Brexit occuring?
Direct quote from said person. 'With great regret I must say the Bill will have to be pulled and we will have to go forward to a general election, in no circumstances can the government continue with this."
It cannot continue with it though can it? Amendments passed would then need to go back to the EU for accept or decline. Highly likely not all would be accepted...& we thereby enter into a back & forward over years. And that is BEFORE we start negotiating the next phase! At the moment parliament is hell-bent on preventing Brexit.C.mon. You can do this. I have faith in you. Who was the person who threatened they would remove the Withdrawal Agreement entirely and thus prevent Brexit occuring?
Direct quote from said person. 'With great regret I must say the Bill will have to be pulled and we will have to go forward to a general election, in no circumstances can the government continue with this."
People have taken the very reasonable approach of “question everything” without the cognitive or research skills to manage it and just end up with a load of emotive conspiracy nonsense.
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It cannot continue with it though can it? Amendments passed would then need to go back to the EU for accept or decline. Highly likely not all would be accepted...& we thereby enter into a back & forward over years. And that is BEFORE we start negotiating the next phase! At the moment parliament is hell-bent on preventing Brexit.
That is why a GE is the only way. All the arguments people (especially MPs) wanting to remain have levelled at those wishing to leave by not having another referendum have come back to bite them on the arse!
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If the GE isn't the tory landslide that some people think it will be and I suspect it wont be,
It will be as people are fed up and won't vote for parties intending on delaying brexit anymore, anyway if he has to make a pact with someone it will be with the brexit party
The opposition due to the constitutional coup conducted on Saturday which allowed the Letwin Bill. I hate to disappoint you but Johnson is gaining supporters every day of this saga
It will be as people are fed up and won't vote for parties intending on delaying brexit anymore, anyway if he has to make a pact with someone it will be with the brexit party
I've no doubt Alexander is gaining supporters. But he's doing what he's been doing since the day he came to prominence. Hoodwinking them and getting them to believe his dis-ingenuity.
The fact is parliament has potentially elongated the process of passing this bill, Boris has threatened to end it all together.
Yes then Boris, telling it how it is
I've no doubt Alexander is gaining supporters. But he's doing what he's been doing since the day he came to prominence. Hoodwinking them and getting them to believe his dis-ingenuity.
The fact is parliament has potentially elongated the process of passing this bill, Boris has threatened to end it all together.
Point of order: Parliament hasn’t elongated the process, they’ve just not allowed it to be shortened.
As disingenuous as Alexander's Brexit stance, when in the past he's been supportive of the EU and wrote two pieces for his newspaper column - one pro-EU and one anti-EU - and only chose which one to publish after he knew which side Cameron was supporting in the referendum so he could cause the most disruption and advance his own political career.
When are you going to realise Alexander doesn't care one jot about Brexit. He cares about himself. If you guaranteed him an election win as long as he dropped Brexit he'd do it in a heartbeat. Even his own family don't think he's trustworthy and does things solely out of self-interest.
I think there would be more chance of getting this sorted if he accepts the extension and allows a vote on the amendments. I'd imagine most of those proposed would relate to workers rights which he'd have to make concessions on but I don't think the EU would decline.
If the GE isn't the tory landslide that some people think it will be and I suspect it wont be, and the government has a small majority or needs to enter into an arrangement similar to the one it had with the DUP then we're back to square one.
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