The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (80 Viewers)

skybluetony176 · Oct 24, 2019

djr8369 said:
Laura K and Peston have several of these a day on twitter. Almost always completely bollocks, usually Cummings trying to change the narrative or throwing out a distraction.

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This was exactly what the journalist in question was saying, especially regarding Peston. He described them as sewers spewing directly into a river without going through treatment. Basically saying that they wasn’t doing their job by investigating the substance of what the “leaks from “government sources”” were saying instead choosing to become a mouthpiece for Cummings propaganda fake news. Still, as you can tell from this very thread no one is lapping it up so no harm done

SkyBlueDom26 · Oct 24, 2019

Sick Boy said:
It’s funny that we have those who kept going on about how bad May’s deal was and now seem to be desperate to get an even worse deal through.

Not worse, its a harder brexit

SkyblueBazza · Oct 24, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Didn't Alexander have meeting with Steve Bannon at some point? Got his fingerprints all over it.

Why this "Alexander" thing? He's called Boris by everyone. Bit like Anthony Blair was called Tony not Anthony, nor was Jeremy John Durham (Paddy) Ashdown called Jeremy. Or the likes of Nigel (Keith) Vaz or Daphne (Barbara) Follett...both Labour, both former ministers.

Is it just your stereo-typical perception of the Tory "toff"/elite/privately educated/upper-class/oxbridge type thing you complex you have going on?

Maybe you (& others) ought to look up the background of some of their (apparently) socialist hero's too before spouting. Blair for one was the son of a Barrister, privately educated, went to Oxford Uni & talks with a plum in his mouth.

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clint van damme · Oct 24, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
Why
socialist hero's too before spouting. Blair for one was the son of a Barrister, privately educated, went to Oxford Uni & talks with a plum in his mouth.

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Fuck me, I've heard it all now.

Sick Boy · Oct 24, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
Why this "Alexander" thing? He's called Boris by everyone. Bit like Anthony Blair was called Tony not Anthony, nor was Jeremy John Durham (Paddy) Ashdown called Jeremy. Or the likes of Nigel (Keith) Vaz or Daphne (Barbara) Follett...both Labour, both former ministers.

Is it just your stereo-typical perception of the Tory "toff"/elite/privately educated/upper-class/oxbridge type thing you complex you have going on?

Maybe you (& others) ought to look up the background of some of their (apparently) socialist hero's too before spouting. Blair for one was the son of a Barrister, privately educated, went to Oxford Uni & talks with a plum in his mouth.

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Laughable, no one has ever suggested that Blair is a socialist hero.

SkyblueBazza · Oct 24, 2019

Astute said:
Would you like to explain why you consider me to be a leaver?

All I do is point out the lies and inaccuracies. This is from both sides. But only one side ever gets noticed by certain people.

This Brexit bullshit has cost me thousands personally already. I need certainty back. I need something to happen. I can't stand many more years of this crap to continue. I don't like comments like 'peoples vote' or similar. It tries to make out that the last vote wasn't a vote of the people. I don't like it when we are supposed to concentrate on one side having told us lies. I don't like it when only one side of parliament are full of shit.

I could continue for ages. But those who don't look at my posts looking for something to have a go at know exactly what I am saying. My family has moved to France. I need to know what I have to do to secure their futures. I have 3 children at school in France. I have my wife who has retired at 52. This is creating a problem. The exchange rate is costing me a lot each month.

So what is wrong with me wanting it over one way or another? Why does it make me a leaver?

In fairness he said "leavers such as yourself, or the likes of Astute...etc"
OR being the key word that suggests he doesn't necessarily consider you to be a leaver.

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clint van damme · Oct 24, 2019

Sick Boy said:
Laughable, no one has ever suggested that Blair is a socialst hero.

Baz has!

Sick Boy · Oct 24, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Not worse, its a harder brexit

I take it you thought the backstop wasn't definitive enough too then?

SkyblueBazza · Oct 24, 2019

clint van damme said:
Fuck me, I've heard it all now.

Cherry picking are you? Or did you miss the "(apparently)"???

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SkyblueBazza · Oct 24, 2019

Sick Boy said:
Laughable, no one has ever suggested that Blair is a socialist hero.

Well that's two of you & counting!

He led a supposedly socialist political party. Plenty of socialist leaning people voted for said party. Enough said

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Grendel · Oct 24, 2019

Sick Boy said:
Laughable, no one has ever suggested that Blair is a socialist hero.

How about Lord Anthony Wedgwood Benn or Tony to his mates

clint van damme · Oct 24, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
Well that's two of you & counting!

He led a supposedly socialist political party. Plenty of socialist leaning people voted for said party. Enough said

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if only.

Sick Boy · Oct 24, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
Well that's two of you & counting!

He led a supposedly socialist political party. Plenty of socialist leaning people voted for said party. Enough said

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The only person who has suggested it is you.
And plenty of non socialist leaning people voted for them?

skybluetony176 · Oct 24, 2019

Sick Boy said:
Laughable, no one has ever suggested that Blair is a socialist hero.

Yeah but he banned fox hunting so he’s clearly a communist.

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 24, 2019

Fucking hell, if Blair's a socialist, is Pinochet considered a moderate now?

skybluetony176 · Oct 24, 2019

Just to put this Boris Alexander thing to bed Boris not an abbreviation of Alexander and is in fact an anglicised version of Bororis. So he’s basically sticking to the current right wing trend of operating under an alias.

skybluetony176 · Oct 24, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
Well that's two of you & counting!

He led a supposedly socialist political party. Plenty of socialist leaning people voted for said party. Enough said

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Using that “logic” the Brexit Party must also be a socialist party.

Grendel · Oct 24, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
Fucking hell, if Blair's a socialist, is Pinochet considered a moderate now?

Blair was a Marxist and when elected In 1983 was on the most socialist manifesto of the Labour Party in its history - even when he saw that was no road to power he had his communist bruiser chum whose name now escapes me by his side

SkyBlueDom26 · Oct 24, 2019

Disgraceful, an election can't come soon enough

skybluetony176 · Oct 24, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Disgraceful, an election can't come soon enough

Treasonous. How dare the opposition have an alternative opinion to the government.

RegTheDonk · Oct 24, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Disgraceful, an election can't come soon enough

What's the point Jo. You are pro remain. Bollocks to Brexit. If a people's vote went the other way, you would ignore it.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Oct 24, 2019

Astute said:
Would you like to explain why you consider me to be a leaver?

All I do is point out the lies and inaccuracies. This is from both sides. But only one side ever gets noticed by certain people.

This Brexit bullshit has cost me thousands personally already. I need certainty back. I need something to happen. I can't stand many more years of this crap to continue. I don't like comments like 'peoples vote' or similar. It tries to make out that the last vote wasn't a vote of the people. I don't like it when we are supposed to concentrate on one side having told us lies. I don't like it when only one side of parliament are full of shit.

I could continue for ages. But those who don't look at my posts looking for something to have a go at know exactly what I am saying. My family has moved to France. I need to know what I have to do to secure their futures. I have 3 children at school in France. I have my wife who has retired at 52. This is creating a problem. The exchange rate is costing me a lot each month.

So what is wrong with me wanting it over one way or another? Why does it make me a leaver?

See the other person's explanation. I was calling ADM a leaver. I was separating out the rest of you because you argue largely on why we should leave, but that doesn't necessarily make you leavers and just favour putting the poll result into practice. There are also those on this thread who mainly state the case for remain even though they voted leave.

skybluetony176 · Oct 24, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Disgraceful, an election can't come soon enough

I wouldn’t get your knickers in a twist anyway. Just been reading that well known communist John Bercow has rejected the motion anyway.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Oct 24, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Treasonous. How dare the opposition have an alternative opinion to the government.

It's not just an alternative to the government though is it ? It's in defiance of you know what.
I suppose she has to make hay while the sun shines. Post Brexit she'll be packing boxes at Amazon.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Oct 24, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
Why this "Alexander" thing? He's called Boris by everyone. Bit like Anthony Blair was called Tony not Anthony, nor was Jeremy John Durham (Paddy) Ashdown called Jeremy. Or the likes of Nigel (Keith) Vaz or Daphne (Barbara) Follett...both Labour, both former ministers.

Is it just your stereo-typical perception of the Tory "toff"/elite/privately educated/upper-class/oxbridge type thing you complex you have going on?

Maybe you (& others) ought to look up the background of some of their (apparently) socialist hero's too before spouting. Blair for one was the son of a Barrister, privately educated, went to Oxford Uni & talks with a plum in his mouth.

I call him Alexander because I believe Boris is nothing more than a character he has created to both disassociate himself from the shitty things he's done to further his own political ambitions and act as the clown to play up to his audience with his buffoonery. Make up don't let him appear like that on TV, he messes his hair up seconds before the cameras roll deliberately.

Frankly I'm not interested in having a comedy or Machiavellian character in charge of the country, so I'll call him by his actual name and the one his friends apparently refer to him by. People should make HIM feel responsible for his own actions not just pass it off as 'Boris'.

I'm aware of Blair's background (whom I never voted for) and Corbyn is a champagne socialist as well.

ccfc92 · Oct 24, 2019

So the adverts for "we are leaving on the 31st October" can stop now?

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Oct 24, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
I wouldn’t get your knickers in a twist anyway. Just been reading that well known communist John Bercow has rejected the motion anyway.

Bercow is a sweaty tomato headed tosser with whom I'd never have left my kids when they were small. Mainly because I didn't know him but he looks sinister to me. Should have been in the exorcist.

skybluetony176 · Oct 24, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
It's not just an alternative to the government though is it ? It's in defiance of you know what.
I suppose she has to make hay while the sun shines. Post Brexit she'll be packing boxes at Amazon.

Regardless of you know what she’s still entitled to an opinion and as an elected MP to pursue a course of action to assimilate that opinion into action. Without that liberty you know what would never have happened so you should be grateful that we’re the type of democracy that allows this behaviour within our constitution and applaud the use of it.

skybluetony176 · Oct 24, 2019

Just in case anyone is wondering where we’re up to today basically we have grown men getting upset because a grown man is being addressed by his actual name, that’s his actual name, not a nickname he assigned himself at school.

skybluetony176 · Oct 24, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Bercow is a sweaty tomato headed tosser with whom I'd never have left my kids when they were small. Mainly because I didn't know him but he looks sinister to me. Should have been in the exorcist.

I’m struggling to think of one MP I would leave my kids with. Sure Boris would be good fun but you would be picking them up from A&E.

SkyblueBazza · Oct 24, 2019

Sick Boy said:
The only person who has suggested it is you.
And plenty of non socialist leaning people voted for them?

There are plenty that do...Google it! Here is one specifically gathered as it is by a Professor who I imagine with fits your view about being "expert" - although I think true to form you will argue with it on at least one count because that is what you do.

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SkyblueBazza · Oct 24, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I call him Alexander because I believe Boris is nothing more than a character he has created to both disassociate himself from the shitty things he's done to further his own political ambitions and act as the clown to play up to his audience with his buffoonery. Make up don't let him appear like that on TV, he messes his hair up seconds before the cameras roll deliberately.

Frankly I'm not interested in having a comedy or Machiavellian character in charge of the country, so I'll call him by his actual name and the one his friends apparently refer to him by. People should make HIM feel responsible for his own actions not just pass it off as 'Boris'.

I'm aware of Blair's background (whom I never voted for) and Corbyn is a champagne socialist as well.

If you are aware of his background you'd know that he indeed apparently started to call himself Boris - in his first term at Eton in 1977. Not sure he was in a position to further his political career at that stage beyond education...certainly doubt calling himself Boris would further it anyhow tbh

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SkyblueBazza · Oct 24, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Just in case anyone is wondering where we’re up to today basically we have grown men getting upset because a grown man is being addressed by his actual name, that’s his actual name, not a nickname he assigned himself at school.

OR is it grown men getting upset that someone pointed something out, when questioning calling him his real name when he has been called Boris since he was a kid, that hit a nerve for them?

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Sick Boy · Oct 24, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
There are plenty that do...Google it! Here is one specifically gathered as it is by a Professor who I imagine with fits your view about being "expert" - although I think true to form you will argue with it on at least one count because that is what you do.

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It seems the only one on here to regard Blair as a socialist is you

SkyBlueDom26 · Oct 24, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
I wouldn’t get your knickers in a twist anyway. Just been reading that well known communist John Bercow has rejected the motion anyway.

OMGGGGGG HE'S MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR ONCE

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