The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (54 Viewers)

PVA · Jun 6, 2020

In a shocking turn of events it turns out you can't trust a word this government says...

Barnier:

He added: "In all areas, the UK continues to backtrack under commitments undertaken in the political declaration, including on fisheries. We cannot and will not accept this backtracking on the political declaration."

Sick Boy · Jun 6, 2020

It’s not surprising, no deal and deregulation has always been the aim of this government.

wingy · Jun 6, 2020

Brexit is forcing major retailers to consider pulling out of Northern Ireland

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 6, 2020

wingy said:
Brexit is forcing major retailers to consider pulling out of Northern Ireland

Sounds more like an RoI thing - they prefer pulling out to protection.

stupot07 · Jun 7, 2020

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chiefdave · Jun 7, 2020

Just wait until Johnson tracks down the person who negotiated the exit deal, he'll be in big trouble!

robbiekeane · Jun 8, 2020

chiefdave said:
Just wait until Johnson tracks down the person who negotiate the exit deal, he'll be in big trouble!

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Haven’t seen the Beano in ages

skybluetony176 · Jun 10, 2020

The Express in “Brexit Shock” on animal welfare. Shocked? Really? Is this the start of even the Express admitting that “Project Fear” is “Project Here”?
Brexit shock: How UK-US trade deal could massively undermine this British law

chiefdave · Jun 10, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
The Express in “Brexit Shock” on animal welfare. Shocked? Really? Is this the start of even the Express admitting that “Project Fear” is “Project Here”?
Brexit shock: How UK-US trade deal could massively undermine this British law

The only thing shocking about it is that the Express is covering it.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 10, 2020

I've not quite understood yet why no-one has asked Johnson or another Tory why they've released a statement about maintaining standards in trade deals but when a vote in the Commons was made on putting forward legislation enshrining it in law they rejected it?

skybluetony176 · Jun 10, 2020

chiefdave said:
The only thing shocking about it is that the Express is covering it.

I was shocked too.

chiefdave · Jun 11, 2020

Some news on border checks from the FT

The British government has abandoned its plan to introduce full border checks with the EU on January 1 as ministers come under mounting pressure from business not to compound the chaos caused by coronavirus.

In a significant policy U-turn, Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, has accepted that businesses cannot be expected to cope with Covid-19 and simultaneously face the prospect of disruption at the border at the end of the post-Brexit transition period.

Instead of full checks, the government will now introduce a temporary light-touch regime at UK ports like Dover for incoming EU goods, under both a deal and “no-deal” scenario.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 12, 2020

chiefdave said:
Some news on border checks from the FT

Taking back control. I'm sure those who voted leave for more border control will of course be more than happy to accept the situation.

The fact we've failed to instigate tight border controls compared to pretty much every EU country at a time when such measures can easily be justified on public health grounds shows where the real issue with border control lies. But we knew what we voted for.

clint van damme · Jun 12, 2020

chiefdave said:
Some news on border checks from the FT

It seems strange that they announced this now when they could have offered it as a concession during negotiations.

PVA · Jun 12, 2020

Saw earlier that we are rushing through a trade deal with the US to get it done in time before their elections.

Which basically means we will bend over and take whatever they tell us to.

Great.

Sick Boy · Jun 12, 2020

PVA said:
Saw earlier that we are rushing through a trade deal with the US to get it done in time before their elections.

Which basically means we will bend over and take whatever they tell us to.

Great.

That would happen regardless, the UK is negotiating with one of the most powerful countries in the world that will know the UK is going to be desperate.

shmmeee · Jun 12, 2020

PVA said:
Saw earlier that we are rushing through a trade deal with the US to get it done in time before their elections.

Which basically means we will bend over and take whatever they tell us to.

Great.

It’s the Boris way of negotiating: give them whatever they want in full knowledge that you’ll be supported for “getting a deal”.

Ring Of Steel · Jun 12, 2020

shmmeee said:
It’s the Boris way of negotiating: give them whatever they want in full knowledge that you’ll be supported for “getting a deal”.

I thought this deal was "oven ready"

skybluetony176 · Jun 12, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I thought this deal was "oven ready"

Boris forgot to pay the gas bill.

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 12, 2020

Who cares if people have been occupied with coronavirus for a quarter of the fucking year, eh

No, stick dogmatically to your bollocks man. Fucking wasters, imbeciles, and morons.

clint van damme · Jun 12, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Who cares if people have been occupied with coronavirus for a quarter of the fucking year, eh

No, stick dogmatically to your bollocks man. Fucking wasters, imbeciles, and morons.

the man who said a no deal Brexit would be disastrous for British farming is determined to pursue a no deal Brexit.

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 12, 2020

clint van damme said:
the man who said a no deal Brexit would be disastrous for British farming is determined to pursue a no deal Brexit.

Thing is, even the most hardened of Brexiteers must surely accept there's been something else occupying peoples' fucking minds for however long, recently, and would be happy for an extension accordingly.

Absolute cretins.

clint van damme · Jun 12, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Thing is, even the most hardened of Brexiteers must surely accept there's been something else occupying peoples' fucking minds for however long, recently, and would be happy for an extension accordingly.

Absolute cretins.

Leave mean leave, even if its a disastrous no deal in the middle of a global pandemic. You lost get over it.

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 12, 2020

clint van damme said:
Leave mean leave, even if its a disastrous no deal in the middle of a global pandemic. You lost get over it.

It's enough to make me want to go on a non socially distanced protest!

clint van damme · Jun 12, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's enough to make me want to go on a non socially distanced protest!

too late I'm afraid.
I've accepted we're leaving, but as you say, in the circumstances, wouldn't it make sense to just hold fire?
They've already announced a concession on border checks in order to leave at the end of the year. What's the point of it all if that's what you have to do just to say we've left?

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 12, 2020

clint van damme said:
too late I'm afraid.
I've accepted we're leaving, but as you say, in the circumstances, wouldn't it make sense to just hold fire?
They've already announced a concession on border checks in order to leave at the end of the year. What's the point of it all if that's what you have to do just to say we've left?

Yep, a protest about this. An extension is common sense because they haven't had the fucking time to sort things out, because their minds have been focussed elsewhere. That's not even blaming them, that's just such a fucking obvious statement it shouldn't need explaining to the sodding government!

clint van damme · Jun 12, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Yep, a protest about this. An extension is common sense because they haven't had the fucking time to sort things out, because their minds have been focussed elsewhere. That's not even blaming them, that's just such a fucking obvious statement it shouldn't need explaining to the sodding government!

if they'd spent as much time trying to defeat the virus as they have protecting Cummings and blustering about Brexit we'd be out of the woods by now.

fernandopartridge · Jun 12, 2020

Fucking hell, I refer back to a post I made prior to the referendum where I talked about mistrust of the Tories. I should have gone with my instinct.

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chiefdave · Jun 12, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Thing is, even the most hardened of Brexiteers must surely accept there's been something else occupying peoples' fucking minds for however long, recently, and would be happy for an extension accordingly.

Absolute cretins.

Its perfect for them. When it all goes tits up they can blame it on coronavirus. And as we can see they're already setting a narrative that any second wave is the fault of the public not the government.

chiefdave · Jun 15, 2020

One for the what did you think you were voting for file

A poll given to The Spectator today by the Best for Britain think tank shows the gap between ‘Red Wall’ voters and the Tory elite in London is dizzyingly wide. It reports overwhelming opposition to a no-deal Brexit in the seats that put Johnson in Downing Street. As striking is the widespread concern about living standards and equally valid worries about the Conservatives tying Britain to the Trump administration.

Sick Boy · Jun 15, 2020

A no deal Brexit is a hell of a long way away from what was said during the referendum, hopefully it’s a tactic to negotiate, who knows with this government though.

PVA · Jun 15, 2020

Johnson about to cave in to a shite deal and spin it as a great win.

clint van damme · Jun 15, 2020

Sick Boy said:
A no deal Brexit is a hell of a long way away from what was said during the referendum, hopefully it’s a tactic to negotiate, who knows with this government though.

I don't think this government is capable of

chiefdave said:
One for the what did you think you were voting for file

if only someone had pointed out to them what would happen.

chiefdave · Jun 15, 2020

PVA said:
Johnson about to cave in to a shite deal and spin it as a great win.

6 weeks is plenty of time. Its not like there's anything else going on at the moment that other countries might be concentrating on.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 15, 2020

PVA said:
Johnson about to cave in to a shite deal and spin it as a great win.

C'mon he didn't do that with the Withdrawal Agreem......oh, wait

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