Wonder if any of this is at least partially tied into the leak prior to second lockdown
Not so sure. Gove might be in a precarious position though as this is his circle of friends that are going not Boris’.
Wonder if any of this is at least partially tied into the leak prior to second lockdown
Wouldn’t surprise me. There was plenty of talk that it was Gove and his circle.Wonder if any of this is at least partially tied into the leak prior to second lockdown
I wonder if it isn’t the Brexit Boys jumping ship before reality hits TBH.
#takingbackcontrolPolice warn of ‘major operational impact’ after Brexit
Key information systems will be lost even if a security deal is struck before 31 December, National Crime Agency sayswww.independent.co.uk
Lot of bilateral arrangements seem to being announced this week. We've been told today that legal residents here can change their papers next year without any hassle. Have to be done online then have to pop in and sign the papersWas driving to work today and a radio ad came on letting Italians know that they could still quite easily live and work in the UK after Brexit, presumably it’s going on across Europe.
It was always obvious immigration wasn’t going to decrease but I think there are going to be a few annoyed people
I think here it’s quite straightforward as well but I’ve not had to because am registered as being Irish.Lot of bilateral arrangements seem to being announced this week. We've been told today that legal residents here can change their papers next year without any hassle. Have to be done online then have to pop in and sign the papers
That was just checking passports. When we leave they will also be checks on food, drink and agricultural products so even bigger delays.
That was just checking passports. When we leave they will also be checks on food, drink and agricultural products so even bigger delays.
TBF, it was a "trial"....conducted by a disgruntled french border staff working strictly to rule in the middle of an ongoing pay dispute.....
Obviously, its not rocket science to streamline such basic tick-box processes......but it does rely on both sides having both the will & wherewithal to do so.
Perhaps some kind of trade agreement might be an idea going forward.
Bolshy bastards
We used to have to fill in a Carnier , everything we took had to be submitted prior to the journey and approved, right down to the last screw or nail.under a no deal every lorry crossing the border fairly seamlessly with a CMR form will no longer be able to do so so fingers crossed there is a trade agreement.
Otherwise, even if it only puts 10 minutes time on each vehicle clearing customs with something like 17,000 vehicles a day it's going to be carnage.
So, the ERG are threatening to vote against the EU trade deal that they campaigned to get done not even 12 months ago meaning that it could be up to Labour MP’s to vote for it so the conservatives can deliver their manifesto headline.
Can see labour being between a rock and a hard place with this. If they don’t vote for it no deal will of course be their fault and not the Tories who didn’t vote to deliver their own manifesto. If they do vote for it, see above.
Years of experience.Yep. Inevitable. You'd think with such a massive majority from the election, given to them solely due to their pledge on brexit, if they then aren't able to pass Brexit legislation that would automatically have to fall at their door. But somehow it won't and the apologists will say it's because the deal isn't good enough for Britain and they're protecting our interests (ignoring the inference they're making about Tory negotiating ability).
Always amazes me how often Tories can be the cause of a problem yet it's always the other people involved who get the blame. How do you get that good at deflecting blame?
Not sure that will be an option this time given the severity of the consequences. Wouldn’t be surprised if Labour basically lend the Tories enough votes to get it through and not pander to the cult known as the ERG which ultimately would be the alternative. Not stopping a no deal Brexit is something many Labour voters might not be able to forgive Starmer for. Either way there’s some tough decisions to be made.Labour would just abstain surely? That seems to be the Starmer style.
Not sure that will be an option this time given the severity of the consequences. Wouldn’t be surprised if Labour basically lend the Tories enough votes to get it through and not pander to the cult known as the ERG which ultimately would be the alternative. Not stopping a no deal Brexit is something many Labour voters might not be able to forgive Starmer for. Either way there’s some tough decisions to be made.
I wonder if the ERG do vote against it will Boris remove the whip from them?
That’s sort of the problem. No one really knows how many Tory mp’s are members of the ERG, certainly new Tory MP’s rushed to join them when elected in 2019. I’d be surprised if the 8 DUP MP’s didn’t vote against it considering their aversion to a border in the Irish Sea. It might not be as clear cut as the majority would have you believe at first glance.No way are more than half the Tories in the ERG. There’s no need for Labour to get involved if they don’t want to.
If it comes to it they hold the whip hand and could probably push for an extension or similar. Also if it comes to it Johnson is open to a legitimate no confidence vote. It’ll be 2019 all over again.
But I just don’t see how the maths works out to anything but Johnson getting his deal through.
Not sure that will be an option this time given the severity of the consequences. Wouldn’t be surprised if Labour basically lend the Tories enough votes to get it through and not pander to the cult known as the ERG which ultimately would be the alternative. Not stopping a no deal Brexit is something many Labour voters might not be able to forgive Starmer for. Either way there’s some tough decisions to be made.
I wonder if the ERG do vote against it will Boris remove the whip from them?
It’s pretty clear there’s a deliberate effort within the Tory Party and most likely the cabinet to undermine Boris, speaker of the house had to give a telling of to the Tories again today over leaks to the press so the announcement in Parliament today regarding lockdown was already known. Who knows how many followers the ringleader of that problem has and what lengths they will go too to overthrow Boris.But if in future it turns out to be a crap deal (or people perceive it as such) you know full well who'll be getting the blame for it passing though.Not the party who negotiated it.
On the other hand they vote it down or abstain and they get blamed right now for trying to stop a Brexit deal (ignoring the uber brexiteers of the ERG not voting for it and preventing a parliament with a massive majority passing it).
Suppose they could leave it as a free vote but that'll be attacked too. Can't win.
I could see some arseholes in the Tories seeing it as a means to stab Johnson while he's weak and under pressure to mount a leadership challenge (possibly with the help of a man with a cardboard box and vision problems)
The fishermen are waking up. Is there anyone left who still believes in Brexit? Why are we doing this to ourselves?
At least we will have our Country back.
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Project fear as it turns out was hopelessly optimistic.At least we will have our Country back.
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