Turkey surprised me, are they using the Russian vaccine?
The Isle of Man ought to have 100% vaccinated people too, at that rate!We are among the best in the world for it, which is still excellent news. But Israel is smashing it out the park by some distance.
Don’t really count the Seychelles!
How’s Israel getting on with the second doses?We are among the best in the world for it, which is still excellent news. But Israel is smashing it out the park by some distance.
Don’t really count the Seychelles!
Got up to 17c here the other day.Looking at all these counties names is making me want to go on holiday.
Fuck, even a lock in at the aardvark would fucking do.
The most unforgivable things are the complete lack of joined up thinking and delaying decision making until there is no decision to make. Both connected.
For example, delaying closing schools. Both times they closed schools they let kids go in on the Monday before closing schools on the Tuesday. Both decisions needed making at the weekend. How many people caught the virus because they made the kids go on for one day? The first time you could argue that they didn’t have the benefit of hindsight, the second though...
The ignoring of the science while claiming you were following the science and failing to extend the autumn half term as a circuit breaker.
Xmas. If you’re going to let families mix at Xmas why didn’t they close schools a week early to give children and families who may have caught the virus but not showing symptoms to have the time to present symptoms before mixing with other people or if they remain asymptotic they pass the point of being able to transmit the virus before mixing.
Just the lack of common sense is scary.
This made me curious, so just downloaded the vaccination data for all the countries and looked at average daily doses per million:
country vacc Gibraltar Seychelles Israel United Arab Emirates Bermuda Northern Cyprus England Bahrain United Kingdom Northern Ireland Turkey Wales United States Scotland Isle of Man Malta Serbia Denmark Spain
We come off very very well. (I know you know this, just thought the data was interesting to see who else is at our level)
Are you using the OmniCalculator one? They update theirs with the number already done and change the rate used to calculate your estimate to what it is currently so is probably about as accurate you'll get.I don't know how accurate these vaccine predictors are But when vaccinations started by estimated time for first vaccine was between mid June to mid July, now it's so.e time in March.
That's a seriously impressive ramp up if accurate.
Are you using the OmniCalculator one? They update theirs with the number already done and change the rate used to calculate your estimate to what it is currently so is probably about as accurate you'll get.
Of course that relies on the current level being maintained which will depend on supply.
If you go right to the bottom of the page it tells you what's been updated.
Charming...
Britain is on a collision course with the European Union over vaccine shortages after Brussels refused to accept that people in the UK have first claim on Oxford/AstraZeneca doses produced in British plants. Stella Kyriakides, the EU’s health commissioner, said the UK should not earn any advantage from signing a contract with AstraZeneca early. “We reject the logic of first come, first served,” Kyriakides said. “That may work in a butcher’s shop but not in contracts and not in our advanced purchase agreements.” Peter Liese, an MEP from the German ruling party, foreshadowed a “trade war” if the EU found itself having to retaliate by blocking exports to the UK of the alternative “very good” BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine that is “produced in Europe, supported by European money … So the company [AstraZeneca] and the UK better think twice.”
Mr Liese appears to have forgotten that the UK also ordered Pfizer vaccine in the summer and approved it in start of Dec. EU ordered in November and only approved it at the back end of Dec. But I suppose you can just jump to the front of the queue if you’re the EU so it counts for nothing
Ive seen in another report that’s AZ have reminded the EU that they are doing all this not for profit and for the benefit of the wider word...ie not just the EU
I understand they're annoyed if they throught they were getting doses and now aren't but surely the same applies to everyone around the world and other countries seem to be accepting it and waiting their turn. “We reject the logic of first come, first served” is a hell of a quote.Britain is on a collision course with the European Union over vaccine shortages after Brussels refused to accept that people in the UK have first claim on Oxford/AstraZeneca doses produced in British plants. Stella Kyriakides, the EU’s health commissioner, said the UK should not earn any advantage from signing a contract with AstraZeneca early. “We reject the logic of first come, first served,” Kyriakides said. “That may work in a butcher’s shop but not in contracts and not in our advanced purchase agreements.” Peter Liese, an MEP from the German ruling party, foreshadowed a “trade war” if the EU found itself having to retaliate by blocking exports to the UK of the alternative “very good” BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine that is “produced in Europe, supported by European money … So the company [AstraZeneca] and the UK better think twice.”
Mr Liese appears to have forgotten that the UK also ordered Pfizer vaccine in the summer and approved it in start of Dec. EU ordered in November and only approved it at the back end of Dec. But I suppose you can just jump to the front of the queue if you’re the EU so it counts for nothing
that's appalling. One big call our government got right was pre ordering large quantities of these vaccines before we even knew if they'd work. It could have backfired so the UK should definitely earn an advantage from the risk taken.
Where are those quotes from Steve?
I understand they're annoyed if they throught they were getting doses and now aren't but surely the same applies to everyone around the world and other countries seem to be accepting it and waiting their turn. “We reject the logic of first come, first served” is a hell of a quote.
Are they suggesting every other country ordered on a cross your fingers and hope it gets delivered at some point basis? Not to mention the fact we ordered months ahead of them and the vaccine development was funded by government grants.
If they keep on like this they'll have the remainers celebrating the fact we left!
Exactly, remember the discussion on the covid thread that if they turned out to be useless we'd wasted a fortune as we had commited to pay. Even if the EU did also commit in advance they did it months after other countries, I can't see any reason they should now be at the front of the queue.that's appalling. One big call our government got right was pre ordering large quantities of these vaccines before we even knew if they'd work. It could have backfired so the UK should definitely earn an advantage from the risk taken.
Or maybe not.Also I presume Pfizer has supplied the EU with far more vaccines even though we ordered way in advance ?! They appear to have ignored that fact as well
From what I can make out they've ordered 600 million doses of the Pfizer, half of their total expected output and 400 million doses of the Astra among an order of 2.3 billion doses, for a population of 450 million.BBC said:The EU - which has been criticised for the slow rollout of its inoculations - is also facing delays with supplies of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The bloc has a much bigger deal with the US-German vaccine-maker.
I understand they're annoyed if they throught they were getting doses and now aren't but surely the same applies to everyone around the world and other countries seem to be accepting it and waiting their turn. “We reject the logic of first come, first served” is a hell of a quote.
Are they suggesting every other country ordered on a cross your fingers and hope it gets delivered at some point basis? Not to mention the fact we ordered months ahead of them and the vaccine development was funded by government grants.
If they keep on like this they'll have the remainers celebrating the fact we left!
I appreciate your reply, but that is a prime example of a politically motivated fact check. It's not even close to being the full story.
The reason we were able to go faster was because we were not part of the EMA APA, which prevents EU participants from procuring outside of EMA approval. Why weren't we? Brexit.
It's quite simply as straight forward as that.
? From 2021. The linked article at the bottom of the page predicting this is what’s from 2018. A few other outlets have picked up on it now too.Brexit: Lough Neagh eel fishermen 'concerns' over future
Fishermen on Lough Neagh say they have concerns about the future of the industry after Brexit.www.bbc.co.uk
From 2018
Worth remembering not only did we procure first/early but went to manufacture well before approval.
I linked the earlier story? From 2021. The linked article at the bottom of the page predicting this is what’s from 2018. A few other outlets have picked up on it now too.
The possibility of conflict. Project fear.taking back control
NI border checks suspended over 'menacing' threats
All Brexit checks on animal and food products arriving at ports in Northern Ireland have been suspended over threatening loyalist behaviour.www.dailymail.co.uk
(the paramilitaries that is)
But but Johnson said there would be no Irish border.
Surely he couldn't have been lying? Johnson, lying? Surely not!
Boris Johnson Says Irish Sea Border ‘Over My Dead Body’
Prime Minister Boris Johnson warned he would allow a post-Brexit border down the Irish Sea “over my dead body,” just days after pledging to help Northern Irish businesses cope with a new wave of customs red tape after the U.K. leaves the European Union.www.bloomberg.com
#takingbackcontrolPM urges EU action to ease Brexit tensions in NI
The UK wrote to the bloc calling for lighter enforcement of rules as port staff face threats over checks.www.bbc.co.uk
Yeah, it really reflects well that the EU are trying to make it as difficult as possible for trade between the UK/NI (as they are at other borders) in the middle of a pandemic.
While to date we appear to be trying to protect the GFA and work within the agreement (and refusing calls to breach protocol) as well as being flexible with EU exporters, we saw on Friday how much the EU really cares about Ireland and the GFA when it invoked article 16 without even a call to the Irish or UK/NI governments.
I try to avoid this thread now because if I start writing I probably won’t be able to stop !!! All I would say though is that if people really can’t see what a protectionist, bureaucratic bully the EU is after last week, there is little point in even debating.
If people really want to still be a part of that, that’s their call but maybe now at least accept why many dont (I say that as someone who was borderline Remain/Leave right up to the vote)....I’m not convinced the EU making it as difficult as possible to trade with them will change many minds either.
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