It's another thing that just about every remainer predicted would happen, and every leaver said was just Project Fear. So depressing.
Naomi Long from Northern Ireland’s Alliance Party probably puts it best.
Northern Ireland: ‘Dishonesty’ over Brexit fuelled loyalist anger, says Stormont minister
Justice minister Naomi Long points finger at UK ministers after four nights of street violence in Northern Irelandwww.google.co.uk
Difficult one. I was brought up over here so am missing some of the ingrained loyalism that the majority of my family were raised with. One of my cousins was over visiting last year just before lockdown, he’s just retired from the PSNI and traditionally a DUP voter but voted Alliance in the GE. Not spoken to him since but he was pretty adamant that he was finished with the DUP. Most of my family live in Fermanagh and again mainly traditional DUP voters, Arlene Foster is their representative in the Assembly. As far as I can tell Aunts and Uncles will probably still vote DUP but younger generations won’t. Thing is as well you now have a couple of generations that are voting age and only know the peace process and enjoyed it, they also look at the dinosaurs of the DUP and see them holding them back on non Brexit subjects such as same sex marriage and pro choice for women, the DUP are also climate change deniers, crap at running the country and basically have nothing to offer them. Then you have the politics of the south where they have same sex marriage, pro choice for women and politicians that aren’t living in the dark ages. So it’s a choice of voting for a Party that wants to tie you into a Union that doesn’t want you at any cost, deny you basic rights such as same sex marriage and the right to have an abortion and think we’d be better off as part of a United Ireland and still in the EU like we voted for in the referendum.Who would you vote for now if you were still over there?
Difficult one. I was brought up over here so am missing some of the ingrained loyalism that the majority of my family were raised with. One of my cousins was over visiting last year just before lockdown, he’s just retired from the PSNI and traditionally a DUP voter but voted Alliance in the GE. Not spoken to him since but he was pretty adamant that he was finished with the DUP. Most of my family live in Fermanagh and again mainly traditional DUP voters, Arlene Foster is their representative in the Assembly. As far as I can tell Aunts and Uncles will probably still vote DUP but younger generations won’t. Thing is as well you now have a couple of generations that are voting age and only know the peace process and enjoyed it, they also look at the dinosaurs of the DUP and see them holding them back on non Brexit subjects such as same sex marriage and pro choice for women, the DUP are also climate change deniers, crap at running the country and basically have nothing to offer them. Then you have the politics of the south where they have same sex marriage, pro choice for women and politicians that aren’t living in the dark ages. So it’s a choice of voting for a Party that wants to tie you into a Union that doesn’t want you at any cost, deny you basic rights such as same sex marriage and the right to have an abortion and think we’d be better off as part of a United Ireland and still in the EU like we voted for in the referendum.
So back to your original question I’d probably vote Alliance as my first preference vote (although I think I’d probably have done that anyway) and SDLP as my second preference vote. Don’t think I could bring myself to vote Sinn Fein but there seems an inevitability that they’ll be a border poll followed by a united Ireland so maybe voting Sinn Fein as first preference and SDLP as second will put an end to it quicker.
The polls in NI at the moment predict that Sinn Fein and the SDLP will control the assembly after the 2022 election so that’s pretty much a border poll guaranteed. The DUP have lost loads of ground in the polls and the UUP don’t seem to be picking up the votes, they mainly going to the neutral Alliance Party and to a lesser extent the SDLP.
Difficult one. I was brought up over here so am missing some of the ingrained loyalism that the majority of my family were raised with. One of my cousins was over visiting last year just before lockdown, he’s just retired from the PSNI and traditionally a DUP voter but voted Alliance in the GE. Not spoken to him since but he was pretty adamant that he was finished with the DUP. Most of my family live in Fermanagh and again mainly traditional DUP voters, Arlene Foster is their representative in the Assembly. As far as I can tell Aunts and Uncles will probably still vote DUP but younger generations won’t. Thing is as well you now have a couple of generations that are voting age and only know the peace process and enjoyed it, they also look at the dinosaurs of the DUP and see them holding them back on non Brexit subjects such as same sex marriage and pro choice for women, the DUP are also climate change deniers, crap at running the country and basically have nothing to offer them. Then you have the politics of the south where they have same sex marriage, pro choice for women and politicians that aren’t living in the dark ages. So it’s a choice of voting for a Party that wants to tie you into a Union that doesn’t want you at any cost, deny you basic rights such as same sex marriage and the right to have an abortion and think we’d be better off as part of a United Ireland and still in the EU like we voted for in the referendum.
So back to your original question I’d probably vote Alliance as my first preference vote (although I think I’d probably have done that anyway) and SDLP as my second preference vote. Don’t think I could bring myself to vote Sinn Fein but there seems an inevitability that they’ll be a border poll followed by a united Ireland so maybe voting Sinn Fein as first preference and SDLP as second will put an end to it quicker.
The polls in NI at the moment predict that Sinn Fein and the SDLP will control the assembly after the 2022 election so that’s pretty much a border poll guaranteed. The DUP have lost loads of ground in the polls and the UUP don’t seem to be picking up the votes, they mainly going to the neutral Alliance Party and to a lesser extent the SDLP.
Mmm, interesting. I don’t know. I’m one of those 400k so I guess I might find out.Best part of 400k Irish passports issued in the Britain since Brexit. Wonder if they can vote in a border poll?
Doubt it, they won't be on a relevant electoral registerMmm, interesting. I don’t know. I’m one of those 400k so I guess I might find out.
Good point. I’ve never been registered to vote in either the North or South of Ireland so probably not.Doubt it, they won't be on a relevant electoral register
Many are like abused girlfriend that think because their partner beats them it means they love them.The truth that loyalists don't want to face is that the loyalism is a one way street, unreciprocated by the mainland.
Doubt it, they won't be on a relevant electoral register
Not sure it’s as cut and dried as that:
Indeed. I'm sure that brexit has ramped up the tension, but the PSNI have been all over the loyalist gangs since Xmas....clamping down on their organised rackets......and then theres the massive IRA funeral that went unpunished....and of course, a common underlying driver in Belfast & Derry that always makes the summer & marching season more colourful is high youth unemployment & deprivation......
They really missed a trick by not adding a sign to the side of the bus before torching it....fucking amateurs.
Yeah I listened to the Arlene Foster R4 interview and it was all about that IRA funeral. Now that might be the cover story cos she loves Brexit, but it also seems to fit and explains the timing better than Brexit did it.
Many are like abused girlfriend that think because their partner beats them it means they love them.
Hmmm, like you say, she would say that, wouldn't she?
As a Dutchman living in the UK, I can only applaud the English for choosing self-determination over continued membership of the EU, even if 'Remain' would have arguably been more comfortable in the short term. As a foreigner I don't experience any kind of resentment towards 'us' continental folk either, and it really hasn't been a bother getting my affairs in order prior to Brexit and applying for pre-settled status afterwards.
If anything, I was surprised by how lax the requirements were for what is essentially a ticket to remain here forever (if I want, which I don't) despite having only moved in 2019. At least my children, when I have them, won't immediately receive the British nationality which I think is a sensible decision by the government.
That’s interesting but not surprising. Short term of 40-50 years is gonna be quite a struggle thoughAs a Dutchman living in the UK, I can only applaud the English for choosing self-determination over continued membership of the EU, even if 'Remain' would have arguably been more comfortable in the short term. As a foreigner I don't experience any kind of resentment towards 'us' continental folk either, and it really hasn't been a bother getting my affairs in order prior to Brexit and applying for pre-settled status afterwards.
If anything, I was surprised by how lax the requirements were for what is essentially a ticket to remain here forever (if I want, which I don't) despite having only moved in 2019. At least my children, when I have them, won't immediately receive the British nationality which I think is a sensible decision by the government.
You’ll get plenty of resentment for posting that on here
As a Dutchman living in the UK, I can only applaud the English for choosing self-determination over continued membership of the EU, even if 'Remain' would have arguably been more comfortable in the short term. As a foreigner I don't experience any kind of resentment towards 'us' continental folk either, and it really hasn't been a bother getting my affairs in order prior to Brexit and applying for pre-settled status afterwards.
If anything, I was surprised by how lax the requirements were for what is essentially a ticket to remain here forever (if I want, which I don't) despite having only moved in 2019. At least my children, when I have them, won't immediately receive the British nationality which I think is a sensible decision by the government.
That’s interesting but not surprising. Short term of 40-50 years is gonna be quite a struggle though
I wouldn't expect a Dutchman to experience any resentment in this country to be fair.
I wouldn't expect a Dutchman to experience any resentment in this country to be fair.
Especially one thats not real
Its mad, incredibly frustrating that people seem to accept this. Same with the likes of Dan Hodges who is blaming the trouble on those who voted remain!
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