Astute
Well-Known Member
I know that being in the EU has cost us half a trillion pounds so far if your link is correct.
We get back about half of what we put in. So it costs us a bloody fortune.
I know that being in the EU has cost us half a trillion pounds so far if your link is correct.it's not about what we've paid in, it's about what we're entitled to now.
And do you know how much we've taken out? I know the current government has pledged to continue funding several projects currently funded by the EU so it would be interesting to see what the net gain will be once we've left.
And we are the negotiators.read my post again, the negotiators have agreed that we are.
And we are the negotiators.
Like who?I'm talking about the EU negotiators from the EU commission.
Like who?
So who is the source?an older article but with a similar thrust to the one I read:
Europe wants Britain to pay billions into EU schemes up until 2023
"The European Commission believes that Britain should be allowed to off-set its share of the EU’s €154bn assets against its owings - comprised of annual budget commitments until 2019, pension obligations and other longer term liabilities.
“Both France and Germany objected to this, but the Commission said it was hard to argue that Britain must pay up for its outstanding commitments while refusing to recognise its share of the EU’s assets,” the source said."
Exactly. A source says the opposite of what those who makes the decisions. Nobody knows who it is. And we are supposed to take it as gospal.how the fuck would I know their names?! Look at the other article I've linked.
Who?I'm talking about the EU negotiators from the EU commission.
So who is the source?
Germany says no. France says no. Juncker says no. Which way truthfully do you think it will go?
Germany and France haven't said we aren't entitled they're just not happy about it and don't want to give anything up. Which way do I think it will go, with our negotiating team, fuck knows but David Davis has also said that the UKs trade deal with the EU has to be negotiated simultaneously so as I keep saying, there are many factors to be considered.
As indeed it should. The EU is a snarling, federalist movement that is purely designed so the economically strong can prosper at the expense of the weak.
As time moves on and we actually get to see more of junker and his type the reality will hit home we are lucky to be out.
Which is what I have been saying. But Juncker wants it to look like punishment for leaving. He also needs to get every penny out of us for his future plans. Germany won't want to pay billions more each year. And they are the only ones that can afford it. They are doing very well out of the EU and Euro.Germany and France haven't said we aren't entitled they're just not happy about it and don't want to give anything up. Which way do I think it will go, with our negotiating team, fuck knows but David Davis has also said that the UKs trade deal with the EU has to be negotiated simultaneously so as I keep saying, there are many factors to be considered.
Which is what I have been saying. But Juncker wants it to look like punishment for leaving. He also needs to get every penny out of us for his future plans. Germany won't want to pay billions more each year. And they are the only ones that can afford it. They are doing very well out of the EU and Euro.
Neither do I. They are up against Juncker and Germany. And it looks as though Germany is willing to hurt German companies to try and hurt us. Either that or they are just trying to keep Juncker happy.it is a federalist monster, but this comment:
"that is purely designed so the economically strong can prosper at the expense of the weak."
could be applied to the current tory government
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my worry, as it always has been, is our negotiating team. I have no confidence in them.
Expanding the EU And making them take up the Euro. Each time it happens it is countries that would do better out of the Euro. So they need help. Then they take money out of the pot each year. And we won't be pumping billions in each year. So that will also have to be covered.and now we're into the politics of it, from the EU point of view that makes sense but in reality they may not be able to be too punitive against the UK.
What future plans of his are you referring to?
Expanding the EU And making them take up the Euro. Each time it happens it is countries that would do better out of the Euro. So they need help. Then they take money out of the pot each year. And we won't be pumping billions in each year. So that will also have to be covered.
He has recently said he will. Sounds like he has a plan and wants it to happen. Put the link up somewhere on this thread.hasnt he said he wont seek another term?
tory in fighting kicking off again big style. Boris putting his personal ambition above the good of the country once more.
This mob aren't fit to see us through this process, it's frightening.
They're full of nasty self-serving scumbags
…an interesting description of the Conservative leadership but eminently better suited to the unashamedly duplicitous Comrades Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Thornberry.
…an interesting description of the Conservative leadership but eminently better suited to the unashamedly duplicitous Comrades Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Thornberry.
I can't agree. Anyone setting himself up for a leadership challenge at such a crucial period of proceedings as Boris has done is about as self serving as it gets.
I think mr Corbyns U Turn on a lifetime of opposing the EU and the single market for opportinism is a lot worse.
Who would have thought it - the most gushing and dribbling euriphile on the planet launches an attack on Mr Junker
Sadly the dimwit doesn't realise he is the norm not the exception on the euro gravy train
Of course Mr Euro only wants to hide him away as he might damage his undemocratic idea of having a second referendum. People may see Europe for what it is
More Mr Junker please
Lib Dem leader on Juncker: ‘Pompous, self-important and overpaid’
Certainly is, when allowing the people a vote is now undemocratic...unusual times we're living in.
on the day the Telegraph gives boris an absolute pasting, unusual times we're living in.
Certainly is, when allowing the people a vote is now undemocratic...
So you'd be confident in another vote, as it'd give the same result.We had a vote. Actually we had two votes as in the general election a party stood for a second referendum - they didn't do that well
Just let Mr £300k a year Junker (plus expenses) keep talking - that's democracy isn't it?
Which has nothing to do with what I said
Mr Euro also says anyone voting Brexit was confused and needs to have another chance to get it right now they know the facts. Clearly not the facts from the euro president of course - oh no.
So you'd be confident in another vote, as it'd give the same result.
Unless your idea of democracy is to exhume Campbell-Bannerman...
We had a vote. Actually we had two votes as in the general election a party stood for a second referendum - they didn't do that well
Just let Mr £300k a year Junker (plus expenses) keep talking - that's democracy isn't it?
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