Astute
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So how does that graph answer my question? Graphs don't build houses.
So how does that graph answer my question? Graphs don't build houses.
Me deflect? What a joke.You deflect everything away from them and previous governments and scapegoat working migrants who have come to the country and contributed to our society over this and previous decades. It's nothing other than dog whistle politics.
So how does that graph answer my question? Graphs don't build houses.
So where have I said that they do?Nor does the government
So where have I said that they do?
They should stop building companies from building up land banks. Free up money for the smaller building companies as the banks have stopped lending to them. Limit the amount of time that planning permission lasts for. If the time elapses hit them with big penalties.
And most of all get back to building social housing. Then they can start chipping away at the housing crisis. There is no overnight fix whatever they do.
My points have always been the same. But we always get bogged down with the same shite. We don't argue about the need to build. The biggest point is what to do now.Actually agree with you completely..... that Mythos must have done you some good..;-)
Well if they weren't particularly bothered by the potential outcome - why would they bother to vote?52% of those who bothered to vote have decided for the rest of the population. Hardly a decisive victory.
Never said he doesn't have to...if he chooses to or not is up to himI have to answer Grendel's questions, but he doesn't have to answer mine. Sounds fair..... or perhaps not...
And in 20yrs time you & Mart will still be blaming Farage & Boris for Brexit because "They stitched us up"There will still be people on here blaming the EU for the countries' woes in 10 years time. "They stitched us up", "the deal wasn't good enough" "I thought Trump was looking out for us" etc etc. It'll always be the fault of someone else.
And in 20yrs time you & Mart will still be blaming Farage & Boris for Brexit because "They stitched us up"
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How many free-trade agreements were ruined when we joined the EU though?
And how old are we all going to be then to old to care ??And in 20yrs time you & Mart will still be blaming Farage & Boris for Brexit because "They stitched us up"
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All bollocks though. A banana is a banana is a banana. Some are big some are small & some are more bendy than others.Bendy Bananas - the Myth to end all Myths
26/05/2016
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The EU trying to ban straight & bendy bananas is perhaps the most well-established Euromyth of them all. Is Brussels really meddling in what our beloved bananas should look like?
Yes & No.
Bananas are classified by quality and size so they can be traded internationally. Quality standards are also needed so that people know what they are buying and that the produce meets their expectations.
Straight & bendy are not banned by the EU. Commission Regulation 2257/94 identifies certain restrictions for fruits that producers have to conform to in order to sell their produce within the EU. The regulation states that bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature."
Class 1 bananas can have "slight defects of shape" and Class 2 bananas full-on "defects of shape".
In 2011 this regulation and other relevant rules were brought together for the sake of clarity under a single implementing regulation (1333/2011), and in 2013 a further change simplified reporting requirements (implementing regulation 565/2013).
Never said he doesn't have to...if he chooses to or not is up to him
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So you are unhappy with 52% of voters determining the outcome of the EU referendum but happy with 33% of voters determining the outcome of the German election?Over 85% against AfD and neo Nazis. Very decisive. Why are people on here talking about them?
Try telling Mart & SickBoy thatthey didn't stitch me up, I saw through them a long time ago.
And in 20yrs time you & Mart will still be blaming Farage & Boris for Brexit because "They stitched us up"
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Try telling Mart & SickBoy that
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He throws so many rocks to deflect his crumbling defence of the Fedaralist monstrosity I don't even know what he is referring to
Still waiting for you to answer about if you'd accept Scotland or Wales declaring independence without parliamentary approval by the way.
That is some 'what if'Still waiting for you to answer about if you'd accept Scotland or Wales declaring independence without parliamentary approval by the way.
So you are unhappy with 52% of voters determining the outcome of the EU referendum but happy with 33% of voters determining the outcome of the German election?
That is democracy at work.
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All bollocks though. A banana is a banana is a banana. Some are big some are small & some are more bendy than others.
Why have no such classifications come out for onions (don't wish to upset the French) or tomatoes?
All bollocks
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Try telling Mart & SickBoy that
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Did I just see you agree with Farage on something?How do you get 33%? If... Merkel forms a government it will be around 53%, but it won’t alter the constitution. To do that she needs over 60% ( or two thirds of the Bundestag- not sure which). A simple majority is not enough to alter the constitution. A government is put to reelection every 4 years. Brexit is a major change and there is no option to change after 4 years. A major decision like that should have had 60 or maybe 66% behind it. 52% on the day is not a decisive victory- as Farage said before the vote.
That is some 'what if'
Could you imagine us sending in thousands of police to attack Scottish people who only wanted to vote?
I am all for people deciding for themselves. Of course there will always be winners and losers. But what other way can we do it other than the majority deciding?
Scotland wanted a referendum. They were given the right to vote. They voted to remain a part of the UK. In the EU vote they voted to remain, but as they are a part of the UK the vote was to leave. The English vote was over the 52%. But when it came down to the UK vote that was what it came down to.
The Scottish didn't want a second vote. But maybe they will want one now we have voted to leave the EU. And I can't see us being like Spain and attacking their people to get what the English want. They would get their vote. That is what democracy is all about.
Did I just see you agree with Farage on something?
The Sun is biased and should be ignored. You will get pulled up just for mentioning the name. But if it says something that could be taken in an argument on behalf of the EU it is OK.
Farage is a racist bigoted prick and should be ignored. You will get pulled up just for mentioning his name. But if he says something that could be taken in an argument on behalf of the EU it is OK.
No double standards?
There are classifications for most things. The only reason you know about bananas is because of propaganda from people like Boris Johnson.
Did I just see you agree with Farage on something?
The Sun is biased and should be ignored. You will get pulled up just for mentioning the name. But if it says something that could be taken in an argument on behalf of the EU it is OK.
Farage is a racist bigoted prick and should be ignored. You will get pulled up just for mentioning his name. But if he says something that could be taken in an argument on behalf of the EU it is OK.
No double standards?
They would get their vote if the government of the UK allowed it. Then it would be legal and fair to both sides.
The difference with Catalonia is that the Spanish Constitutional Court declared it as not on accordance with the constitution. Not only that, but they needed at least 90 seats to call a referendum according to the Catalonian Constitution, but only got 72 votes. So in both counts it was illegal. What means does the government have to stop an illegal vote? And why do you think ignoring laws and constitutions of a democratic country is democracy?
Well our government permitted a referendum as it believes in democratic process following devolution.
Given that the Spanish government acted in a draconian and barbaric way you'd more associate the Catalonians with the struggle in Ireland surely? So your view would be consistent.
Unlike you I support civil liberty and freedom so of course I support the people who have been beaten and oppressed by the Spanish government and it's police force acting like a malitia.
Next you'll be saying if women weren't allowed to vote they are not allowed the right to protest and struggle.
I assume you take the EU views that the police actions were proportionate and justified?
Nice.
How many pro EU on here were saying that there should have been a re-election because May just failed to get the majority?How do you get 33%? If... Merkel forms a government it will be around 53%, but it won’t alter the constitution. To do that she needs over 60% ( or two thirds of the Bundestag- not sure which). A simple majority is not enough to alter the constitution. A government is put to reelection every 4 years. Brexit is a major change and there is no option to change after 4 years. A major decision like that should have had 60 or maybe 66% behind it. 52% on the day is not a decisive victory- as Farage said before the vote.
Would you go out and vote if you knew that the police were attacking voters?It's even less democratic as the vast majority of those wanting to go out and vote wouldn't have done so.
How many pro EU on here were saying that there should have been a re-election because May just failed to get the majority?
Then Merkel gets only a third of the vote and needs about 4 other parties to join her. But it is OK.
Would you go out and vote if you knew that the police were attacking voters?
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