1, I thought we wasn't supposed to link to that rag as the remainers whatever the cost constantly said.How does the old saying go. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. Something like that ‘Stating the obvious!’ Brexit no deal papers blasted for offering ‘few solutions’
They don't even appear to be embarrassed. Of course...their steps might well be to change the rules so it is easier to comply
It just shows their utter contempt. They do what they want when they want. Rules? They make all but Germany follow them then don't follow them themselves.They don't even appear to be embarrassed. Of course...their steps might well be to change the rules so it is easier to comply
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I think he is trying to say that the EU should follow the example of those he has quoted...but not go quite so far. That will make it acceptable in some way...to him at leastAnd here you go again mentioning people that don't do things the right way being a good enough reason for the EU to not have to do things the right way.
Nearly everyone agrees on how bad Trump is. Are you comparing the EU to Trump?
Ford are going on about shutting plants in Europe if there is no deal. But they only make engines in the UK. Trannies are now made in Turkey. The rest of the cars are built in Germany and Spain. So there would be massive job losses in the EU.But meanwhile...the UK can demand thst certain trials are carried out under UK stipulations...otherwise they don't get licenced for use here. Now thst I would agree could be a double-edged sword! By that I mean EMA sympathies toward certain EU companies will become a thing of the past. However we (as patients) will still suffer from either missing out on good drugs for longer than necessary or, we suffer from sympathies shown to UK based Pharma firms.
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Ford are going on about shutting plants in Europe if there is no deal. But they only make engines in the UK. Trannies are now made in Turkey. The rest of the cars are built in Germany and Spain. So there would be massive job losses in the EU.
But I haven't seen the normal possible job losses mentioned by those who always mention the possible job losses blamed on Brexit. Can't work it out myself.....
Which part is what they are saying?Is that what they’ve said? In the article I read they said that a huge proportion of the losses they made in 2017 was because of the drop of the pound and they’ve done a U turn on what they’ve previously said about Brexit and being positive about a frictionless trade and know expect anything but and will do what they need to do to protect their European business. Including pulling production out of the U.K.
How about something with more information?
Which part is what they are saying?
Diesel engines are finished in the EU. Only engines are made in the UK. But it looks like car making is finished as we know it. They look to be entering the SUV market and pulling out of the rest. We are their most profitable market. The rest has gone downhill. Now the EU makes out that there will be tariffs so they are calling time earlier than planned. About 24,000 job losses. Not sure about the Tranny factory in Turkey though.
So how did you miss it when you notice much smaller job losses?
How about something with more information?
Is Ford slowly leaving Europe? - newmobility.news
Autoweek.com
I don't want to make this into an essay. Short and sweet as possible. Trump is giving massive tax breaks to companies in the U.S. It can be used for cost savings. But he isn't happy if it means job losses in the USA. So they don't get the tax breaks if they do so. So they are looking at the rest of the world. Europe is going to take a big hit. And handily Brexit will publicly take the blame when it can just like it did with Jaguar when the truth was all to do with them keeping to diesel engines.
So how will Brexit get the blame when the factories in Germany and Spain start closing? Ford has pulled out of the Geneva car show. Why is that?
Ford may slash 12% of jobs in revamp of Europe ops
So where has Ford said that they’re cutting jobs in Europe (other than the U.K.) because of Brexit?
I can see where they say they’re looking at cutting jobs because they’re considering dropping the Mondeo (story just broke in the last 24 hours) due to changing tastes. Can’t se them blaming brexit on that.
You are joking?So where has Ford said that they’re cutting jobs in Europe (other than the U.K.) because of Brexit?
I can see where they say they’re looking at cutting jobs because they’re considering dropping the Mondeo (story just broke in the last 24 hours) due to changing tastes. Can’t se them blaming brexit on that.
Of course it is negative. Only a fool would disagree.The article I posted is 4 months more recent and has Ford blaming Brexit.
There seems to be quite a few companies coming out and saying it's negative, unless you genuinely believe it's a massive conspiracy?
Is that Jaguar or Ford?In his own article it says due to issues such as diesel
You are joking?
Brexit always gets blamed. Will take a look.
Edit
Didn't take long to find
Ford has given this stark warning about Brexit
Ford blames Brexit as it warns of job losses and rising car prices | Daily Mail Online
Ford blames Brexit for $86m third-quarter loss in Europe
The UK is Ford's most profitable place.
They have been reducing their engine building in the UK.
Ford 'to ditch Mondeo range and scrap thousands of jobs'I’ll try again. Where has Ford said that they’re considering cutting jobs in Europe (other than the U.K.) because of Brexit. It doesn’t say it in the articles that didn’t take you long to find. They’re just the same story in different outlets that SB linked, which you did your best to discredit. Any job losses in Europe (other than the U.K.) are going to be down to models being dropped and joint ventures with European car manufacturers. Nothing to do with Brexit and aside from U.K. loses they haven’t even mentioned brexit in European job losses.
If they are not going to be building cars they won't need the engines. So is not needing the engines on the cars they build in Germany and Spain to do with Brexit or not? You say the engine section is Brexit and the car building not Brexit.Wasn’t Ford planning on expanding Bridgend? Until brexit happened of course.
Ford to invest £181m in Bridgend plant to build new fuel efficient engines
Is that Jaguar or Ford?
If they are not going to be building cars they won't need the engines. So is not needing the engines on the cars they build in Germany and Spain to do with Brexit or not? You say the engine section is Brexit and the car building not Brexit.
Certainly looks like a contradiction to me.
1 We are not a part of the USA.
2 You tried to say that the EU does not break its own rules and regulations. So I showed you a few. So you did your usual and tried to change the subject.
I think he is trying to say that the EU should follow the example of those he has quoted...but not go quite so far. That will make it acceptable in some way...to him at least
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It just shows their utter contempt. They do what they want when they want. Rules? They make all but Germany follow them then don't follow them themselves.
Yet to some it is just an annoyance.
Ford will make cars but not in a Ford factory?Bridgend makes Ford, JLR and Volvo engines. You say Ford are going to stop making cars. That’s not what they’ve said. They’ve said that they’ll drop certain models and possibly enter a joint venture (VW being mooted) in Europe, they’ll still be making cars with Ford engines in, just might not be in a Ford factory. Ford also has engine plants in Germany and Romania. Why would they or Volvo pay 10% on engines made in Bridgend used on production in the EU when they can simply just move engine production to existing plants in the EU? Only JLR engines would stay in the U.K. (for now) and that deal ends in 2020.
Where’s the brexit incentive for Ford to carry on manufacturing for the EU car plants (Ford, joint venture or Volvo) post brexit? Especially true post a hard brexit.
Go on then. Make us laugh.If they are taking steps to correct things, then they are not showing contempt.
1, I thought we wasn't supposed to link to that rag as the remainers whatever the cost constantly said.
2, No deal? Are those in the EU lying when they say there will be a deal?
3, It would be against the EU rules for there not to be a deal.
4, Do you really think they will cut their nose off to spite their face?
Go on then. Make us laugh.
What steps have they taken?
Ford will make cars but not in a Ford factory?
Can't you see another contradiction here? If not in a Ford factory they are not making them.
Ford have been pulling out of the UK for years. I suppose you will dispute this now. Or try to blame it on Brexit.
He is also assuming anybody (other than himself & SickBoy & parhaps 1% of the UK population) gives a shit what Charlie says
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How about back to reality?1. you use it.
2. no. They have always said there will be a deal. „No deal is better than a bad deal“ is our government‘s stance.
3. Maybe. But if the UK cannot find a workable solution to the NI problem there will have to be no deal.
4. No. that’s our job.
I have confirmed how they constantly break their own rules and regulations. It is you that has said that they are doing something about it yet can't name anything. How unusual.Don’t know. You confirmed that they are. They have to anyway.
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