The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (9 Viewers)

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

Sick Boy said:
A bit like when you blamed the EU for Italy's issues with money lost through organised crime? Yeah right.

Here you go twisting what I said again and the other word twister agrees with you.

My point was the waste of money that was supposed to make life better for those mainly in southern Italy had billions taken by fraud. The EU knew this. But without putting something in place to try and stop the frauds happening they continued to pump more billions into Italy via the same way.

This isn't blaming the EU for it happening. This is saying that they should have been more careful with the money instead of keep giving more without doing anything about it when they knew for many years it was happening.

But of course you like to make out that I said what I didn't. It stops me from going on about how crooked the EU is. As confirmed by the EU commission. So it wouldn't surprise me if some from the EU are involved in some way.

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

martcov said:
They have to meet criteria.

When they have met them they can join. They were supposed to join in 2015, but didn’t meet the criteria.

Why should economies automatically become weaker? Romania is not exactly a major player. When people do deals in Romania they often talk in Euros. That was so in 2010, last time I was there, when my mate was extending his hotel. His costs were in Euros as the materials, such as shower units, were imported. The prostitutes were talking euros long before any official policy. I don’t think there will be any major changes. It will save costs for business though as exchange rates and forward buying and selling to cover import and export trades will fall away.

I don’t see why the current economy should be a criterium as it will probably be different in 2024.

More anti EU waffle. Now, back to the UK.... how’s Brexit playing out? And what known benefits can we look forward to?

Anti EU waffle?

So Germany doesn't benefit from the Euro?

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

martcov said:
It was Seehofer‘s idea. Merkel was against and so was the SPD. It got watered down as I said.

What got watered down other than when it was pointed out that it was against human rights? The same human rights that the EU is supposed to defend?

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

martcov said:
Merkel wanted to send them back to where they first registered, if they were already registered. That is only a small percentage of migrants. She has signed several countries up to that. Seehofer wanted the holding camps. The SPD put paid to that. No new buildings were built and the time of holding people before sending them back was reduced to a few days.

So only a small amount landed elsewhere than Germany?

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

martcov said:
What atrocities? Violent crimes, yes, but atrocities no. And not that many violent crimes. A 10% increase in total. Not necessarily just migrants.

The latest crime in the headlines will probably be manslaughter because the guy died of a heart attack caused by having a heart disease ( and the stress of the fight ). Hardly premeditated murder or an atrocity.

The last atrocity was December 2016y

A 10% increase....on an increase.....on an increase....on an increase

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

martcov said:
Still waiting for tangible benefits. We are now being told not to be too optimistic by Liam Fox. I thought it was all going to be easy peasy according to Fox. Apparently not.

So one person says something so it will all go wrong.

So those in the EU are lying when they say they want a deal?

skybluetony176 · Sep 12, 2018

Terms of Service Violation

JLR warning about a Hard Brexit. Again.

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

martcov said:
If I wanted to compare Germany to the UK, I would simply take knife crime and murder rate in London and compare it with Berlin. Game over. But what has that got to do with leaving the EU? Do you expect terror atrocities in the UK to stop, or knife crime, acid sttacks and Moped robbery in London to drop as a benefit of Brexit? I don’t get your logic. I think you have poor arguments and so just attack Juncker, Selmayr and Germany in general instead of putting forward coherent arguments for leaving the EU and telling us what benefits we can expect in Brexit Britain.

It won't stop. Because they are already in the UK. And they were allowed because they came from EU countries. But they won't find it anywhere near as easy to enter once we leave.

So yes thanks for pointing out a good reason for leaving.

Romanian migrant raped woman in the UK days after release from prison in his home country

1 in 3?
Up to one in three Romanians arrested, figures show

Romania stops us from sending criminals back
Romanian criminals avoid extradition under UK law: Ben Keith writes for the barrister magazine

And here is how they use it
Romanian gangster guilty of attempted murder allowed to stay in UK to protect his human rights - Westmonster

REVEALED: How Romanian murderer was allowed to enter UK and attempt to kill again

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Terms of Service Violation

JLR warning about a Hard Brexit. Again.

So you agreed that the last time they tried to blame Brexit it was down to them sticking with diesel engines that the EU want the production of to end. This is why people have stopped buying diesel cars.

Then you have JLR that have been pulling out of the UK since well before Brexit. But now they have an excuse.

But of course it is something for you to use.

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

Astute said:
Anti EU waffle?

So Germany doesn't benefit from the Euro?

We all benefit in some way. No one wants to leave. Others want to join.

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

Astute said:
It won't stop. Because they are already in the UK. And they were allowed because they came from EU countries. But they won't find it anywhere near as easy to enter once we leave.

So yes thanks for pointing out a good reason for leaving.

Romanian migrant raped woman in the UK days after release from prison in his home country

1 in 3?
Up to one in three Romanians arrested, figures show

Romania stops us from sending criminals back
Romanian criminals avoid extradition under UK law: Ben Keith writes for the barrister magazine

And here is how they use it
Romanian gangster guilty of attempted murder allowed to stay in UK to protect his human rights - Westmonster

REVEALED: How Romanian murderer was allowed to enter UK and attempt to kill again

Do you mean Romanians or Roma from Romania?

What has that got to do with knife crime, acid attacks or moped robberies? Are you saying Romanians are responsible?

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

Astute said:
So only a small amount landed elsewhere than Germany?

The ones coming in now at the Bavarian border. Only a small percentage are already registered in another country.

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

Astute said:
Here you go twisting what I said again and the other word twister agrees with you.

My point was the waste of money that was supposed to make life better for those mainly in southern Italy had billions taken by fraud. The EU knew this. But without putting something in place to try and stop the frauds happening they continued to pump more billions into Italy via the same way.

This isn't blaming the EU for it happening. This is saying that they should have been more careful with the money instead of keep giving more without doing anything about it when they knew for many years it was happening.

But of course you like to make out that I said what I didn't. It stops me from going on about how crooked the EU is. As confirmed by the EU commission. So it wouldn't surprise me if some from the EU are involved in some way.

The EU? Which part of the EU would be responsible for actively helping the Mafia to take EU money? The Commission The Parliament or the Council? Or are you saying things?

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

Astute said:
A 10% increase....on an increase.....on an increase....on an increase

No. In one year. The crime figures in Germany are falling.

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

Astute said:
So you agreed that the last time they tried to blame Brexit it was down to them sticking with diesel engines that the EU want the production of to end. This is why people have stopped buying diesel cars.

Then you have JLR that have been pulling out of the UK since well before Brexit. But now they have an excuse.

But of course it is something for you to use.

Funny, Grendel says it is all Brexit bluster. An IT consultant who is advising JLR and Aldi UK ( both are dependent on just in time supply flows ) told me only on Friday that JLR are worried about Brexit disrupting supply chains and that they would be screwed. Basically what Speth is saying. According to Grendel JLR is more than just supply chains. So, obviously you and Grendel are right, and Speth and the consultants are wrong. Now... back to the benefits we can expect from Brexit.. what are they?

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

I am still waiting for a real plan for Brexit ( as opposed to project faith and project hope )...

Now, just for Astute:

The plan for the direction of the EU:

State of the Union summary: Juncker's speech in 11 points

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

martcov said:
We all benefit in some way. No one wants to leave. Others want to join.

Most can't even afford to consider leaving the Euro or EU. They are many billions in debt to Germany and the EU and bow need the handouts to survive.

But you know this.

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

Astute said:
So you agreed that the last time they tried to blame Brexit it was down to them sticking with diesel engines that the EU want the production of to end. This is why people have stopped buying diesel cars.

Then you have JLR that have been pulling out of the UK since well before Brexit. But now they have an excuse.

But of course it is something for you to use.

The result of the campaign against diesel cars is that there will be a demand for electric or hybrid cars in the future. A great market for JLR. Will JLR produce the cars in the UK or in the EU, and do you think Brexit will affect the decision?

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

martcov said:
Do you mean Romanians or Roma from Romania?

What has that got to do with knife crime, acid attacks or moped robberies? Are you saying Romanians are responsible?

Are you saying that Romanians are not involved?

I know you will try though.

Grendel · Sep 12, 2018

martcov said:
The result of the campaign against diesel cars is that there will be a demand for electric or hybrid cars in the future. A great market for JLR. Will JLR produce the cars in the UK or in the EU, and do you think Brexit will affect the decision?

It definitely will not affect the decision no.

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

Astute said:
Most can't even afford to consider leaving the Euro or EU. They are many billions in debt to Germany and the EU and bow need the handouts to survive.

But you know this.

Name a country that wants to leave but can’t because of what you say? Italians don’t want to leave because returning to the lira would wipe out their savings.

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

martcov said:
The ones coming in now at the Bavarian border. Only a small percentage are already registered in another country.

So why was it you said it was the fault of the UK government for not removing the undesirables but very hard for Germany to do the same?

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

Grendel said:
It definitely will not affect the decision no.

Then what are JLR gaining through Brexit?

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

martcov said:
The result of the campaign against diesel cars is that there will be a demand for electric or hybrid cars in the future. A great market for JLR. Will JLR produce the cars in the UK or in the EU, and do you think Brexit will affect the decision?

They have been pulling out of the UK for years. Are you going to deny this?

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

Astute said:
So why was it you said it was the fault of the UK government for not removing the undesirables but very hard for Germany to do the same?

When did I say that? I think you are on about the 3 months without becoming self sufficient. Nothing to do with criminals.

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

Astute said:
They have been pulling out of the UK for years. Are you going to deny this?

Is Brexit a reason for stopping this trend? Is that one of the benefits of Brexit that you seem to have problems finding?

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

martcov said:
Name a country that wants to leave but can’t because of what you say? Italians don’t want to leave because returning to the lira would wipe out their savings.

Savings?

Millions are destitute. Youth unemployment at record levels although down recently. Unemployment as a whole over 10%.

And the future?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcoa...-to-show-for-it-italys-broken-economic-model/

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

martcov said:
When did I say that? I think you are on about the 3 months without becoming self sufficient. Nothing to do with criminals.

You blamed the UK government several times for not removing those who shouldn't be here. Until you was shown the human rights debacle. Then you stuck up for it saying that the UK will get rid of it once we leave the EU.

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

martcov said:
Is Brexit a reason for stopping this trend? Is that one of the benefits of Brexit that you seem to have problems finding?

Is Brexit the reason for it happening like you always try to make out?

Just like you tried to blame Brexit for Ford pulling out of the UK. And tried not to admit to the truth when shown it. And the EU lent them the money to move the Tranny being made in the UK to Turkey.

At least you try to blame everything on Brexit.

skybluetony176 · Sep 12, 2018

Astute said:
So you agreed that the last time they tried to blame Brexit it was down to them sticking with diesel engines that the EU want the production of to end. This is why people have stopped buying diesel cars.

Then you have JLR that have been pulling out of the UK since well before Brexit. But now they have an excuse.

But of course it is something for you to use.

More waffle telling me what I have and haven’t said. Clearly without reading what I have said.

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

Astute said:
You blamed the UK government several times for not removing those who shouldn't be here. Until you was shown the human rights debacle. Then you stuck up for it saying that the UK will get rid of it once we leave the EU.

? You mean for EU citizens, with passports, who came as tourists or looking for work, but became a cost to the state, as opposed to refugees from non EU countries and without papers? Two totally different categories. Where did I stand up for the UK taking rights off EU people after Brexit? The whole point of EU rights is that they cannot be taken from you. I think you are confusing something.. again. It is one more reason for opposing Brexit.

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

Astute said:
Is Brexit the reason for it happening like you always try to make out?

Just like you tried to blame Brexit for Ford pulling out of the UK. And tried not to admit to the truth when shown it. And the EU lent them the money to move the Tranny being made in the UK to Turkey.

At least you try to blame everything on Brexit.

What?!!! I said the opposite about Ford. The Transit project was loaned 80 million in 2012. the money will be paid back in 2022. Nothing to do with stealing jobs and nothing to do with Brexit. Just a Faragism thrown in to wind people up.

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
More waffle telling me what I have and haven’t said. Clearly without reading what I have said.

Par for the course.

martcov · Sep 12, 2018

Astute said:
Savings?

Millions are destitute. Youth unemployment at record levels although down recently. Unemployment as a whole over 10%.

And the future?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcoa...-to-show-for-it-italys-broken-economic-model/

Italy is screwed. Was screwed. Will continue to be screwed as long as a populist government doesn’t actually attend parliament and prefers to keep attacking migrants and others instead of seriously getting down to business.

Astute · Sep 12, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
More waffle telling me what I have and haven’t said. Clearly without reading what I have said.

You mainly go on about me waffling without saying what about. And not answering questions from myself. Would say the two are linked.

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